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Anybody else having trouble downloading TOKYO DOME from Google? I keep getting a dialog box saying there was an "error" and to try again later.

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Anybody else having trouble downloading TOKYO DOME from Google? I keep getting a dialog box saying there was an "error" and to try again later.

Obviously in the rest of the world, we're not using google music but I'd serious problems downloading the flac files of this show last night.

Took about four hours - usually its about 20 minutes - as tracks kept stopping and having to be refreshed and re-downloaded.

Even ended up going into the site and inadvertently purchasing it again by accident (although I didnt download the files on the second purchase).

Kudos to bravenet though - when I e-mailed them about the second purchase, they responded within a couple of hours advising me that they were refunding the money.

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The big change in the sound is the first use of a click track, necessary for the sequencing. Before this, Charlie and Keith laid down the beat with their push and pull, with BW holding them loosely together. That was the sound of the Stones. When Charlie had to start playing to a click, that was gone. That's why the guitars don't drive it ahymore. That's the big delineation.

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The big change in the sound is the first use of a click track, necessary for the sequencing. Before this, Charlie and Keith laid down the beat with their push and pull, with BW holding them loosely together. That was the sound of the Stones. When Charlie had to start playing to a click, that was gone. That's why the guitars don't drive it ahymore. That's the big delineation.

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Great disappointment, muddy sound, Ronnie too low in the mix, thin guitars, far worse than e.g. the Wembley concert (Seventh of July). Overall here we have the Rolling Stones Big Brass Band rehearsing some Stones titles ... the definitive low point of the official boot series; please, no more boots from the Big Band era.

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tomcasagranda
We should be thankful for small mercies: they've given us the sum total of nothing for 50th Anniversary special releases, or deluxe CDs, so we have to make do with the Tokyo Concert.

Thin gruel springs to mind.

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Great disappointment, muddy sound, Ronnie too low in the mix, thin guitars, far worse than e.g. the Wembley concert (Seventh of July). Overall here we have the Rolling Stones Big Brass Band rehearsing some Stones titles ... the definitive low point of the official boot series; please, no more boots from the Big Band era.

Indeed Ronnie is very low in the mix, or is he just barely playing?
Keith is playing a lot, when you listen well. But his guitar is say less electric, less Hendrix like from what it was in 1981/1982. Only in 2000 light years he has that old sound again.
Chuck is all over the place. The sad thing is that he may be technically accomplished and a good musician, but he misses the point, there's very little soul to his playing. When he plays organ it sounds better. But the chuck piano is too prominent.
All these complaints are much less of an issue with the double door boot for instance.

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We should be thankful for small mercies: they've given us the sum total of nothing for 50th Anniversary special releases, or deluxe CDs, so we have to make do with the Tokyo Concert.

Thin gruel springs to mind.

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We should be thankful for small mercies: they've given us the sum total of nothing for 50th Anniversary special releases, or deluxe CDs, so we have to make do with the Tokyo Concert.

Thin gruel springs to mind.

You dont have to be thankful, they make money selling this stuff and I guess they see it as promoting since they are not touring, or havent toured for a long time. SO far they released three nice boots and this last one. I hope they release more. I'm positive they know how important El Mocambo is and hopefully they will make something out of it. I know it wasnt filmed but are we sure about this? Cause if there is anything on film from Elmo they could charge anything for it. Hey Mick, you reading this?

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Can someone please explain this 'click track' thing to me? I don't really understand.

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We should be thankful for small mercies: they've given us the sum total of nothing for 50th Anniversary special releases, or deluxe CDs, so we have to make do with the Tokyo Concert.

Thin gruel springs to mind.

You dont have to be thankful, they make money selling this stuff and I guess they see it as promoting since they are not touring, or havent toured for a long time. SO far they released three nice boots and this last one. I hope they release more. I'm positive they know how important El Mocambo is and hopefully they will make something out of it. I know it wasnt filmed but are we sure about this? Cause if there is anything on film from Elmo they could charge anything for it. Hey Mick, you reading this?

Come on ! Dylan, or Jeff Rosen, since 1991 has given us ongoing bootleg series albums, up to Volume 9. The Beatles have given us The Beatles At the Beeb, 6 cds on 3 double cd sets of Anthology recordings, Let it Be Naked, Yellow Submarine Songbook, Love, and solo wise, All Things Must Pass, Harrison demos, Living In The Material World, The Dark Horse years, The Concert for Bangla Desh, The comprehensive McCartney Archive series, Lennon Remasters, Double Fantasy stripped down, and, albeit indirectly, Apple albums by Billy Preston, Doris Troy, Badfinger, et al.

The Allmans, too, have given us a comprehensive series of archive material, and so too has the Grateful Dead, and Pink Floyd, with Immersion and Experience cds of their best album.

A national institution, the Stones, have, on a glorious occasion, and in comparison with the acts mentioned, given us the sum total of nothing.

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Downloaded the flac files from Stonesarchive. Took about 5 minutes, and no problems whatsoever.

As for clicktrack. This is only for Sympathy as there is a prerecorded percussiontrack on that one. I'm not sure ifnit really is a clicktrack, but watching several videos, I've noticed that Charlie leans a little back to hear the track that is probably hard to hear from the monitors behind him.

Also the later tours, Chuck has been laying down the tempo by counting in the band. At least on those numbers that Keith don't start. Don't know if that was the case on steel Wheels/Urban though.

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We should be thankful for small mercies: they've given us the sum total of nothing for 50th Anniversary special releases, or deluxe CDs, so we have to make do with the Tokyo Concert.

Thin gruel springs to mind.

You dont have to be thankful, they make money selling this stuff and I guess they see it as promoting since they are not touring, or havent toured for a long time. SO far they released three nice boots and this last one. I hope they release more. I'm positive they know how important El Mocambo is and hopefully they will make something out of it. I know it wasnt filmed but are we sure about this? Cause if there is anything on film from Elmo they could charge anything for it. Hey Mick, you reading this?

Come on ! Dylan, or Jeff Rosen, since 1991 has given us ongoing bootleg series albums, up to Volume 9. The Beatles have given us The Beatles At the Beeb, 6 cds on 3 double cd sets of Anthology recordings, Let it Be Naked, Yellow Submarine Songbook, Love, and solo wise, All Things Must Pass, Harrison demos, Living In The Material World, The Dark Horse years, The Concert for Bangla Desh, The comprehensive McCartney Archive series, Lennon Remasters, Double Fantasy stripped down, and, albeit indirectly, Apple albums by Billy Preston, Doris Troy, Badfinger, et al.

The Allmans, too, have given us a comprehensive series of archive material, and so too has the Grateful Dead, and Pink Floyd, with Immersion and Experience cds of their best album.

A national institution, the Stones, have, on a glorious occasion, and in comparison with the acts mentioned, given us the sum total of nothing.

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By the way...read some Chuck criticism here...
What about Matt Clifford and his terrible synth stuff...

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By the way...read some Chuck criticism here...
What about Matt Clifford and his terrible synth stuff...

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Well, I'm finally giving this a thorough "all the way through" listen and I just have to say, I don't care what anyone else thinks... I think it is an excellent performance. I love the tour (my first Stones concert ever was Philly '89, the first show of the tour), and I also love the album. The Steel Wheels numbers featured at this show sound great, were performed amazingly and I think they stand up well to time. Keith was seriously on his game too.

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audun-eg
Downloaded the flac files from Stonesarchive. Took about 5 minutes, and no problems whatsoever.

As for clicktrack. This is only for Sympathy as there is a prerecorded percussiontrack on that one. I'm not sure ifnit really is a clicktrack, but watching several videos, I've noticed that Charlie leans a little back to hear the track that is probably hard to hear from the monitors behind him.

Also the later tours, Chuck has been laying down the tempo by counting in the band. At least on those numbers that Keith don't start. Don't know if that was the case on steel Wheels/Urban though.

Chuck counts after the click track, I´m pretty sure of that. Listen to the start of songs like Bitch, Can´t Be Seen and Rock And A Hard Place - they start almost robotic.

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Downloaded the flac files from Stonesarchive. Took about 5 minutes, and no problems whatsoever.

As for clicktrack. This is only for Sympathy as there is a prerecorded percussiontrack on that one. I'm not sure ifnit really is a clicktrack, but watching several videos, I've noticed that Charlie leans a little back to hear the track that is probably hard to hear from the monitors behind him.

Also the later tours, Chuck has been laying down the tempo by counting in the band. At least on those numbers that Keith don't start. Don't know if that was the case on steel Wheels/Urban though.

Chuck counts after the click track, I´m pretty sure of that. Listen to the start of songs like Bitch, Can´t Be Seen and Rock And A Hard Place - they start almost robotic.

On Can't be seen Keith is counting in himself. Surely no doubt about that. I would guess Chuck maybe uses a metronome or simillar to get the tempos the've agreed to, but a clicktrack through entire songs? I don't think so. And just because they finally didn't stumble into every other song and used half the songs to get into them, doesn't mean that they used clicktracks on everything. It just means that they, as maybe a difference to previous tours, were very well rehearsed and had worked out to a higher degree how the songs should be played from start to finish, tempos etc. Nothing wrong in that imo. I would call it beeing professional musicians.

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audun-eg
Downloaded the flac files from Stonesarchive. Took about 5 minutes, and no problems whatsoever.

As for clicktrack. This is only for Sympathy as there is a prerecorded percussiontrack on that one. I'm not sure ifnit really is a clicktrack, but watching several videos, I've noticed that Charlie leans a little back to hear the track that is probably hard to hear from the monitors behind him.

Also the later tours, Chuck has been laying down the tempo by counting in the band. At least on those numbers that Keith don't start. Don't know if that was the case on steel Wheels/Urban though.

Chuck counts after the click track, I´m pretty sure of that. Listen to the start of songs like Bitch, Can´t Be Seen and Rock And A Hard Place - they start almost robotic.

On Can't be seen Keith is counting in himself. Surely no doubt about that. I would guess Chuck maybe uses a metronome or simillar to get the tempos the've agreed to, but a clicktrack through entire songs? I don't think so. And just because they finally didn't stumble into every other song and used half the songs to get into them, doesn't mean that they used clicktracks on everything. It just means that they, as maybe a difference to previous tours, were very well rehearsed and had worked out to a higher degree how the songs should be played from start to finish, tempos etc. Nothing wrong in that imo. I would call it beeing professional musicians.

It´s perfectly normal to use click tracks, without using them throughout entire songs, and we don´t know what Keith listens to when he is counting.

My guess is that only SFTD and RAAHP have click track throughout.

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audun-eg
Downloaded the flac files from Stonesarchive. Took about 5 minutes, and no problems whatsoever.

As for clicktrack. This is only for Sympathy as there is a prerecorded percussiontrack on that one. I'm not sure ifnit really is a clicktrack, but watching several videos, I've noticed that Charlie leans a little back to hear the track that is probably hard to hear from the monitors behind him.

Also the later tours, Chuck has been laying down the tempo by counting in the band. At least on those numbers that Keith don't start. Don't know if that was the case on steel Wheels/Urban though.

Chuck counts after the click track, I´m pretty sure of that. Listen to the start of songs like Bitch, Can´t Be Seen and Rock And A Hard Place - they start almost robotic.

On Can't be seen Keith is counting in himself. Surely no doubt about that. I would guess Chuck maybe uses a metronome or simillar to get the tempos the've agreed to, but a clicktrack through entire songs? I don't think so. And just because they finally didn't stumble into every other song and used half the songs to get into them, doesn't mean that they used clicktracks on everything. It just means that they, as maybe a difference to previous tours, were very well rehearsed and had worked out to a higher degree how the songs should be played from start to finish, tempos etc. Nothing wrong in that imo. I would call it beeing professional musicians.

It´s perfectly normal to use click tracks, without using them throughout entire songs, and we don´t know what Keith listens to when he is counting.

My guess is that only SFTD and RAAHP have click track throughout.

Yes I know. I think I missread you a little. Clicktrack or metronome or whatever does the same thing in this setting as far as starting the song in a certain tempo goes. Clicktracks through Sympathy and RAAHP makes sense as both songs have prerecorded (or midisampled) percussion tracks.

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audun-eg
Downloaded the flac files from Stonesarchive. Took about 5 minutes, and no problems whatsoever.

As for clicktrack. This is only for Sympathy as there is a prerecorded percussiontrack on that one. I'm not sure ifnit really is a clicktrack, but watching several videos, I've noticed that Charlie leans a little back to hear the track that is probably hard to hear from the monitors behind him.

Also the later tours, Chuck has been laying down the tempo by counting in the band. At least on those numbers that Keith don't start. Don't know if that was the case on steel Wheels/Urban though.

Chuck counts after the click track, I´m pretty sure of that. Listen to the start of songs like Bitch, Can´t Be Seen and Rock And A Hard Place - they start almost robotic.

On Can't be seen Keith is counting in himself. Surely no doubt about that. I would guess Chuck maybe uses a metronome or simillar to get the tempos the've agreed to, but a clicktrack through entire songs? I don't think so. And just because they finally didn't stumble into every other song and used half the songs to get into them, doesn't mean that they used clicktracks on everything. It just means that they, as maybe a difference to previous tours, were very well rehearsed and had worked out to a higher degree how the songs should be played from start to finish, tempos etc. Nothing wrong in that imo. I would call it beeing professional musicians.

It´s perfectly normal to use click tracks, without using them throughout entire songs, and we don´t know what Keith listens to when he is counting.

My guess is that only SFTD and RAAHP have click track throughout.

Yes I know. I think I missread you a little. Clicktrack or metronome or whatever does the same thing in this setting as far as starting the song in a certain tempo goes. Clicktracks through Sympathy and RAAHP makes sense as both songs have prerecorded (or midisampled) percussion tracks.

No worries, mate