If someone says taht Muddy Waters was painting a ceiling, and he actually was not, that person is simply making a lie


...... In the recently released Buddy Guy book When I Left Home,
Buddy claims that he was the handman around Chess Studio and it was
most possibly Buddy up the ladder that Keith mistook for Muddy .......


....... My apologies tracked down the book in store again today and reread the piece about Muddy painting the ceiling etc and Buddy Guy writes that Muddy was definitly never used as a handyman and goes on to say if anyone woulda have been asked to do some work around the studio it would have been Buddy himself who was the new-kid around Chess but no one ever asked him to do such work....

Ends by saying something like Muddy was King of Chicago blues and Muddy probably coulda gotten Leonard Chess over to white-wash his walls



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There is one thing in which KR was wrong, he should´nt have gone to the Iridium. He better had stayed at home. Everyone is bashing him!!!

Wouldn't have made a difference. Same crowd would be bashing him for not being there to support Charlie. Don't let it get to you Cheers

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How do you know it's a lie ProudMary. You say Keith wasn't there. Were you? Anyway, it is a funny story, and by the way Keith is a fantastic raconteur. Mick has never told a funny story in his life.

More than enough for me that Mick tells stories and can be funny in his lyrics - I do not need one-liners or kiss-and-tell books from him.
Besides, I do not consider gossip and jokes at the expense of others being funny
  I guess that Richards lyes in this case because this is what he usually does - he lies. Or as Mick put it diplomatically - "I'd advise you be careful with Keith's stories , he can be very invetive in a good day"

Consequently Charlie is a liar as well ?

Charlie never talked about it and he never went into any details of what happened. On several occasions he responded to direct questions about it - and always said the same thing - I was in terrible shape in the mid 80s. I am ashamed to remember this and I'm not proud of any of it.
And he is clearly uncomfortable talking about it.
Oddly enough, Keith did not find many(if any) words to talk about the lyrics of Stones songs or Mick's stage performance(not the most insignificant detail of their live performances), or about the covers of their albums on which Mick and Charlie worked together. But this story he loves dearly

Consequently Keith isn´t a liar in this case as you´ve now confirmed.
The rest you´re telling is your perception and you may take care of it as long as you like.

He slept with Marianne but it was in the 66 not the 68 during Perfomance as his revenge to Mick. And he did not jump out of the window.
There was a ceiling in the Chess Studios and Muddy visited it but he did not paint the ceiling. Andrew did not lock them in the kitchen but there was kitchen in the apartment and they have written songs togheter, may be even in the kitchen. And so on
But really isn't there anything more interesting in Stones history than this story? But if you think that Charlie beating Jagger in the face is one of the stellar moments of this band legacy - why not?

That´s all when you realize you´ve been on the wrong track this time ?
Pretty lame...and kind of embarassing.

Proudmary wasn't wrong at all. Keith lies a lot. Some people call it 'spicing up' but for the people who appreciate facts those are just lies. If someone says taht Muddy Waters was painting a ceiling, and he actually was not, that person is simply making a lie. Plain and simple. There might be some truth in his stories but that doesn't change the fact that the rest is bullshit.

- Doxa

Come on, Doxa! Why get upset about the classic Keith-stories now, when you´ve known them by heart, and have heard them from the man himself for decades?

They are just as funny today as they were 20, 30 or 40 years ago

Doxa,you may have noticed I was referring just to the Amsterdam story and what proudmary made of it.
Nothing more,but nothing less.
I guess no one here was hanging around with them in Amsterdam or observating the scenery under the damned table...whatever.
This senseless bashing based on nothing but the dislike of Keith Richards blaming him to be a constant liar is kindergartenlike. ( hey kids...don´t worry )
Noticing a mistake and then simultanously digging out all this stories,tales,...is...well,poor.

DP sums it up nicely...

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If someone says taht Muddy Waters was painting a ceiling, and he actually was not, that person is simply making a lie


...... In the recently released Buddy Guy book When I Left Home,
Buddy claims that he was the handman around Chess Studio and it was
most possibly Buddy up the ladder that Keith mistook for Muddy .......

One down, some more to go

Was Keith really saying exactly WHEN he had the affair with Marianne in Life?

And wouldn´t we all be astonished, witnessing a clean-shaven, well-dressed Charlie Watts deck Mick Jagger in the early morning hours? Doesn´t this story belong in an autobiography? I think it does

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If someone says taht Muddy Waters was painting a ceiling, and he actually was not, that person is simply making a lie


...... In the recently released Buddy Guy book When I Left Home,
Buddy claims that he was the handman around Chess Studio and it was
most possibly Buddy up the ladder that Keith mistook for Muddy .......

One down, some more to go

Was Keith really saying exactly WHEN he had the affair with Marianne in Life?

And wouldn´t we all be astonished, witnessing a clean-shaven, well-dressed Charlie Watts deck Mick Jagger in the early morning hours? Doesn´t this story belong in an autobiography? I think it does

Hmmmmmmmmmm. I don't recall reading anyone else BUT Muddy being up on that ladder painting the ceiling being talked about as far as being named. So Keith saw Muddy but everyone else says it wasn't. No one ever said any name. Yet no one ever implied it was Buddy either.

Buddy....Muddy...

Maybe Keith was just....confu?

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Come on, Doxa! Why get upset about the classic Keith-stories now, when you´ve known them by heart, and have heard them from the man himself for decades?

They are just as funny today as they were 20, 30 or 40 years ago

You are right, but I think all thoses stories gathered together, and still a bit spiced up, in LIFE was just too much for me. It wasn't fun any longer in reading them in the form of 'serious' book and seeing them as a series of almost factual events making a bigger story with certain morals, and serving certain agendas. Many stories I thought earlier being just funny, metaphorical or innocent, weren'n't any longer that; they were there to establish this man's legacy and legend. The Charlie hitting Mick incident is very typical story in that context, and it really serves one of the main agendas of the book. (Besides, I didn't like any longer the tone of the book - I find the voice rather disgusting as a person - I never had had earlier that kind of impression of Keith Richards).

I think the Muddy story in that book speaks volumes of the problem we are dealing now. He tries to defend his metaphorical story as a real story - like he will lost his face if it is not true (he seemingly knows that it is denied). Then he goes and claims that Bill Wyman will back up his story of Muddy painting the ceiling. That's pathetic. Namely, Bill had yaers earlier alraedy relesaed a book where he clearly states that Muddy most defenitively was not painting any ceilings there.

I don't know what to think of that. I don't see that funny at all. It is a serious sign that Keith himself is lost not only to his own myth but to his own myths. Looks like he has lost the distinction between fiction and reality.

But sorry, I can't help that I can't see his stories funny any longer. Maybe that is also something to do that when he first tell them he was mainly playing the guitar and making great music - he was a great musician. "Who cares what he actually says!" Now it sounds like he only has the stories left, and all he can do is tell the tale. The story-telling, as a form of entertaining people, seemed to have became his main job. And he overplays it. Like i said above I am not a fan of 'Keith the entertainer' figure he has transformed himself in his later yaers.

- Doxa

Doxa , were you there at Chess Studios. How dare you call Keith a liar. I wish all you Keith haters would just go away

Coulda stood you up but I didn't

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Doxa , were you there at Chess Studios. How dare you call Keith a liar. I wish all you Keith haters would just go away

I never became a Keith Richards fan because of his funny stories. I did because of his music. If you can't see that difference, sorry I can't help it.

- Doxa

Ok Doxa, you are highly regarded here. I just wish you hadn't jumped on the Hated Keith Wagon

Anyone here investigated the paris studio incident when Keith fell asleep under the mixing desk after a session and the police troops came in for rehearsals next morning ?

another stellar moment in band´s history...or not ?
uhmmm....who cares about music,by the way...

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If someone says taht Muddy Waters was painting a ceiling, and he actually was not, that person is simply making a lie


...... In the recently released Buddy Guy book When I Left Home,
Buddy claims that he was the handman around Chess Studio and it was
most possibly Buddy up the ladder that Keith mistook for Muddy .......

Buddy, Muddy, Tomato, Tomahto.

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If someone says taht Muddy Waters was painting a ceiling, and he actually was not, that person is simply making a lie


...... In the recently released Buddy Guy book When I Left Home,
Buddy claims that he was the handman around Chess Studio and it was
most possibly Buddy up the ladder that Keith mistook for Muddy .......

Damn, this is the first explanation that could make some sense to this odd story and could save the faces of all involved (Keith, Muddy's people).

(and Bill the wittness could finally say that 'okay Keith, it was Buddy you saw...)

- Doxa



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Anyone here investigated the paris studio incident when Keith fell asleep under the mixing desk after a session and the police troops came in for rehearsals next morning ?

another stellar moment in band´s history...or not ?
uhmmm....who cares about music,by the way...

What music? All we have is stories of music for many years now, but at least the stories get better with the telling while the songs only had one shot on the day they were recorded.

I always wondered about that French police band story. It seems highly unlikely that the Stones would let anyone into the studio with all their gear about. They are know for "locking out" studio space for months at a time, especially back then. I don't buy it as truth but just a fairly good story. peace

Try to tell the story of your 60 plus years life with total accuracy after spending most of it in the whirlwind of fame, ten or so years of it as a junkie and also make it interesting and something people will want to read and keep reading.

Life is not the book I wanted Keith to write, but I must say, it is an essential book for any fan of The Rolling Stones. Keith has had so many experiences it is quite understandible that things will be a bit foggy and merged, little tales often told, but maybe exaggerated for the press etc years ago kind of, perhaps, became some of his memories.

The book is good as an impressionsitic piece, we get a great feel for post war Britain, we get a great ring side seat as American Rock and Roll crosses the atlantic as experienced by an astounded english kid, we get good insight in to the emerging British R&B/blues boom...

We get great feel and insight in to the birth of The Rolling Stones(a story, I must add, that seems never to have been told exactly the same way twice.) We get the naive idealism, the rush of fame, the fruits of success and the problems and personal conflicts that come with being in such a succseful band. We get realisation of lost friendships, personal heartbreaks and triumphs.

Life gives us a lot and I for one am glad to have it, the insight, the unique view point, the true and tall stories.

Life is just another piece of an ongoing story...

Doxa, read it more and perhaps you'll begin to appreciate it more. It's different to when it first came out now because parts of it have already been some what acknowledged by Keith as being a mistake, that he went too far... that makes it more interesting in the ongoing story of their lives.



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Anyone here investigated the paris studio incident when Keith fell asleep under the mixing desk after a session and the police troops came in for rehearsals next morning ?

another stellar moment in band´s history...or not ?
uhmmm....who cares about music,by the way...

What music? All we have is stories of music for many years now, but at least the stories get better with the telling while the songs only had one shot on the day they were recorded.

I always wondered about that French police band story. It seems highly unlikely that the Stones would let anyone into the studio with all their gear about. They are know for "locking out" studio space for months at a time, especially back then. I don't buy it as truth but just a fairly good story. peace

Oh, who honestly cares anymore. It's a great story and bless his heart for telling it. I am already getting teary-eyed just thinking of seeing them all together next week. They are all old men now, and Keith especially has been singled out for having health issues. Who knows how much longer they'll be around, enjoy the music and focus on the here and now. It's much better for your own health.

When I saw this subject title I was so happy to find out that Keith made an appearance at Charlie's show in New York! Sadly, the more I got into it the more disgusted I became with where the thread was headed. Why is it that almost every single discussion on IORR these days invariably turns into some sort of Keith bashing or, if not that, fighting amongst each other over silly little technicalities?

I've been a member here for many years but I don't post very often for the very reason stated above, I get discouraged and need to take long breaks.

We should all be happy and thankful that all members of our favorite band, except Brian of course, are still alive as we come upon this big 50th anniversary; not too many bands from the 60s are as fortunate. Instead, many of you feel the urge to fill these pages with constant ridiculous bickering and bashing, shame on you!

Lose your dreams and you will lose your mind...

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We should all be happy and thankful that all members of our favorite band, except Brian of course, are still alive as we come upon this big 50th anniversary; not too many bands from the 60s are as fortunate. Instead, many of you feel the urge to fill these pages with constant ridiculous bickering and bashing, shame on you!

Shame on you for forgetting Stu!!!



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Latebloomer and Thru and Thru....great posts! peace

Thru and thru is true. That's the only truth

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Anyone here investigated the paris studio incident when Keith fell asleep under the mixing desk after a session and the police troops came in for rehearsals next morning ?

another stellar moment in band´s history...or not ?
uhmmm....who cares about music,by the way...

What music? All we have is stories of music for many years now, but at least the stories get better with the telling while the songs only had one shot on the day they were recorded.

I always wondered about that French police band story. It seems highly unlikely that the Stones would let anyone into the studio with all their gear about. They are know for "locking out" studio space for months at a time, especially back then. I don't buy it as truth but just a fairly good story. peace

You missed my point,but that´s fine with me.

....... My apologies tracked down the book in store again today and reread the piece about Muddy painting the ceiling etc and Buddy Guy writes that Muddy was definitly never used as a handyman and goes on to say if anyone woulda have been asked to do some work around the studio it would have been Buddy himself who was the new-kid around Chess but no one ever asked him to do such work....

Ends by saying something like Muddy was King of Chicago blues and Muddy probably coulda gotten Leonard Chess over to white-wash his walls



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His Majesty, latebloomer and Thru and Thru, thank you.

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His Majesty, latebloomer and Thru and Thru, thank you.

yep,and Rockman...

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yep,and Rockman...

Of course

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.......WHAT!!!.... I can't even read a book correctly....HAHA!!!!



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I can't even read a book correctly

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Damn, I feel like spoiling a holy mess here when doubting the master's words...

- Doxa

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Try to tell the story of your 60 plus years life with total accuracy after spending most of it in the whirlwind of fame, ten or so years of it as a junkie and also make it interesting and something people will want to read and keep reading.

Life is not the book I wanted Keith to write, but I must say, it is an essential book for any fan of The Rolling Stones. Keith has had so many experiences it is quite understandible that things will be a bit foggy and merged, little tales often told, but maybe exaggerated for the press etc years ago kind of, perhaps, became some of his memories.

The book is good as an impressionsitic piece, we get a great feel for post war Britain, we get a great ring side seat as American Rock and Roll crosses the atlantic as experienced by an astounded english kid, we get good insight in to the emerging British R&B/blues boom...

We get great feel and insight in to the birth of The Rolling Stones(a story, I must add, that seems never to have been told exactly the same way twice.) We get the naive idealism, the rush of fame, the fruits of success and the problems and personal conflicts that come with being in such a succseful band. We get realisation of lost friendships, personal heartbreaks and triumphs.

Life gives us a lot and I for one am glad to have it, the insight, the unique view point, the true and tall stories.

Life is just another piece of an ongoing story...

Doxa, read it more and perhaps you'll begin to appreciate it more. It's different to when it first came out now because parts of it have already been some what acknowledged by Keith as being a mistake, that he went too far... that makes it more interesting in the ongoing story of their lives.

The voice of reason

A question I've never got an answer to from anyone here: if Keith simply invented the Muddy Waters story, what was his motive? I don't think it's a flat-out lie because I can't see any reason for him to tell such a lie.

I'm inclined to agree with the theory that perhaps he mistook someone else for Muddy, and by the time he found out that it wasn't, he'd invested so much significance into the incident (and told it so often to so many people) that it had become part of his personal mythology. Yes, maybe he should drop it now, but I bet he doesn't. Frankly my dears, I don't give a damn. Keith is Keith, and he tells tall stories. Live with it.

Anyway, I'm not a fan of the fashionable new sport of attacking Keith whenever he is mentioned. It was nice to see him drop in to watch Charlie at the Iridium, and I do really hope that whatever his issues are, he will be able to join his band at least one more time.