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DandelionPowderman
I follow you regarding the expectations, Rocky. However, in retrospect, why would the CBS-people believe that Mick would outsell the Stones (Mick being in his 40s) anyway?
At the time, CBS was the biggest label around. Mick had only just turned 40 a few weeks before the deal was signed and TATTOO YOU had been multi-platinum and the 1981 US tour was a record-breaking success (putting it in context, the Jacksons' VICTORY tour on the strength of THRILLER only grossed half of what the Stones had done three years earlier despite higher ticket prices). It made perfect sense to think that the biggest label could take them (or at least Mick) to even greater heights. CBS was focused on creating albums that were events.
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Title5Take1
This is like the Graham Parsons thread
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proudmary
We're moving too fast
A few days ago the consensus at this forum was that Richards did not know anything about Jagger's solo plans and that Mick put his solo contract in the Stones's deal behind his back.
Today we have come to the conclusion that Richards not only knew about it but even signed a deal in which Jagger at his will could decide to record all the albums solo rather than with the Stones.
In my opinion it's too much. If Jagger had the opportunity to record all the albums alone, on his own (except the DW of course) and get all the money - why would he need Richards?
We do not know all details of the CBS deal - so let's agree on the most obvious. Richards knew about the solo Jagger's solo deal. He agreed to it and signed the contract and get the money that Mick negotiated with CBS. And then he started to ostracize Jagger
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Bliss
In 'Life', Keith makes a strong case that he was bitter that Mick's solo project turned out to be RS-esque, not some side interest of completely unrelated material, "Irish folk tunes". He felt he had been hoodwinked about the nature of what he had agreed to. And this is where the real animosity started. But we will never know how it had been presented to him.
>>the bobby womack thing is unfortunate,such a talented guy ending up a bitter crackhead.its a shame
As I pointed out in an earlier post, he was bitter about the RS from right after they recorded It's All Over Now.
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Bliss
In 'Life', Keith makes a strong case that he was bitter that Mick's solo project turned out to be RS-esque, not some side interest of completely unrelated material, "Irish folk tunes". He felt he had been hoodwinked about the nature of what he had agreed to. And this is where the real animosity started. But we will never know how it had been presented to him.
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liddas
2) The reason why Jagger failed as a solo artist was that his albums were just old songs with a new sound. The new sound was not receibved well by most old Stones fans, and the old songs (and the old singer) kept away the new fans. I may also respectfully add that they were not even great albums to start with.
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liddas
it was a blast to hear those songs performed live once again.
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lem motlow
she's the boss went platinum pretty quickly,platinum albums do not equal failure anywhere on this planet.mick was just killing time between stones work,waiting for the others to sort themselves out.he's doing the same thing to this day.
if you think he was making a career out of being a solo act then it probably wouldnt take much to convince you that he's also planning on being a full time cast member on saturday night live and becoming the lead singer of the foo fighters.no wait,i got it-he was leaving to become an actor after performance but the movie didnt do well so he came back to the band,yeah thats it.i've figured him out.
he's been in the stones for 50 years but apparently he's been on his way out the door for 30 of those years,guy sure takes a long time to leave.
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lem motlow
what record industry sales tracker gives out awards for"setting the world on fire and cool points"?
its the same old story,a straw man argument is set up-"mick expected it to do more" "it didnt sell as well as michael jackson and madonna" "he wanted to be a huge star on his own"-and so with these imaginary expectations a platinum record done without his band and completely on his own- is somehow a failure.you normally only see spin like this in politics.
where did mick say these things?? when did he say he expectated to sell mass amounts of solo records? wanted to be a big star on his own? i would like a link to this because it looks an awful lot like these thoughts and ideas are being projected onto this person.
how do you know his goal wasnt a gold record since it wasnt with the stones and he had no prior track record as a solo artist,maybe he was happy it went platinum and not "deflated"at all.
was keith "deflated" because his best selling solo record only went gold,half of micks sales? even though he has said his solo career-what was that saying??-oh,yeah "soared like a bird while micks crashed to the ground."ah,those damn facts always f/ck up a good story,dont they now.
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mitchflorida1
never heard of it. and I noticed that Womack has been covering a lot of other peoples songs, like California Dreaming, Fly Me to the Moon, and All along the Watchtower.
Why don't you write your own damn songs, Bobby?
After you've composed anything thats 1% as good as this, take a trip to the Clue Store and pick one up...
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Even though he's a sex addict and has peculiar hobbies Bill Wyman is the only one in the band who articulates himself intelligible. Bill said after Mick's first solo record something like this: "What's the point of doing Rolling Stones records as a solo artist. Isn't it better to do that with the Rolling Stones?". Bill often strikes me as the only Stone with a portion of common sense (well, his sex addiction set apart).
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lem motlow
she's the boss went platinum pretty quickly,platinum albums do not equal failure anywhere on this planet.mick was just killing time between stones work,waiting for the others to sort themselves out.he's doing the same thing to this day.
if you think he was making a career out of being a solo act then it probably wouldnt take much to convince you that he's also planning on being a full time cast member on saturday night live and becoming the lead singer of the foo fighters.no wait,i got it-he was leaving to become an actor after performance but the movie didnt do well so he came back to the band,yeah thats it.i've figured him out.
he's been in the stones for 50 years but apparently he's been on his way out the door for 30 of those years,guy sure takes a long time to leave.
I don't think anyone really believes Mick was planning on 'leaving the Stones' in any permanent way...
But I do think it was important to him, as an artist, to branch out, to get critical acclaim on his own, independent of of the Stones.
She's the Boss may have sold....but it didn't set the world on fire, and it didn't get any cool points....and for an iconic figure like Mick - it must have been deflating.