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Well said, 71Tele!
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71Tele
Sigh...why does everything have to be all or nothing here? Where is nuance? These things are rarely black & white. Gram was neither a genius nor a worthless idiot. It is possible (even common) for someone to be both extremely talented and personally difficult. Why do we have to line up on one side or another? Jagger's motives for keeping Gram at arm's length are probably complicated and multi-faceted.
That's what I was trying to say when I referred to there seemingly being no middle ground.
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That's what I was trying to say when I referred to there seemingly being no middle ground.
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Beautiful cat ?
Not even close IMO.
I dislike his face on the pics above ...shallowmarsmarllow ....
not my kind of men .
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(the one that used the Black and Blue cover)
THE ROLLING STONES -- Robert Palmer
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I know you're referring to HB,
But you're classy Naturalist, and I enjoy your posts. We're not always going to agree on everything, but I always worry that my own lack of tact distorts my respect for others.......and I always respect your POV and the manner in which you express it.
Peace.
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Gram seems both overrated and underrated!
Underrated in that the average person on the street doesn't know who he is due to a lack of hit records. This is a shame and their loss.
Overrated by being given most (if not all) the credit for country-rock. Many others were working the same area - Nesmith, Nelson, etc.
One who seems to be overlooked (due to his later image, I guess) is Kenny Rogers. The First Edition had some really good songs (Ruby Don't TaKe Your Love To Town, You Know I Love You, etc.). Also, Kenny was responsible for bringing Don Henley's band Shiloh to California.
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I know you're referring to HB,
But you're classy Naturalist, and I enjoy your posts. We're not always going to agree on everything, but I always worry that my own lack of tact distorts my respect for others.......and I always respect your POV and the manner in which you express it.
Peace.
Thanks stupidguy2! The feeling is mutual. I learned long ago you don't resemble your somewhat self-depreciating monkier. I appreciate your comment.
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...................................................................................... Beautiful cat
Beautiful cat ?
Not even close IMO.
I dislike his face on the pics above ...shallowmarsmarllow ....
not my kind of men .
A weak, inexpressive and daily face imo. But then again, Jagger is plain ugly! (Sorry Jagger-girls)
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stupidguy2
I know you're referring to HB,
But you're classy Naturalist, and I enjoy your posts. We're not always going to agree on everything, but I always worry that my own lack of tact distorts my respect for others.......and I always respect your POV and the manner in which you express it.
Peace
Yes indeed. All our dear Naturalust has to do is refrain from making insulting, passive-aggressive comments at the end of his posts (always followed up by an insincere "peace", of course), and he'd be just about perfect.
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...................................................................................... Beautiful cat
Beautiful cat ?
Not even close IMO.
I dislike his face on the pics above ...shallowmarsmarllow ....
not my kind of men .
A weak, inexpressive and daily face imo. But then again, Jagger is plain ugly! (Sorry Jagger-girls)
My thoughts put into words ,kleermaker -where have you been BTW ? -
and your English better than mine as always ( I am not sure now everybody got my " ShallowMarshmallow " quote , I meant "soft/weak as a marshmallow )
<<Jagger is plain ugly! (Sorry Jagger-girls<<
You don't want me to flood that thread with Jagger's pics which are each more beautiful than the last ,do you ?
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kleermaker
But I shouldn't interfere in this thread. I'm more interested in the Jagger-Richards-Taylor relationship then and now. Just couldn't stand to tease the Jagger-girls who take everything regarding Big Mick so seriously.
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stupidguy2
I know you're referring to HB,
But you're classy Naturalist, and I enjoy your posts. We're not always going to agree on everything, but I always worry that my own lack of tact distorts my respect for others.......and I always respect your POV and the manner in which you express it.
Peace
Yes indeed. All our dear Naturalust has to do is refrain from making insulting, passive-aggressive comments at the end of his posts (always followed up by an insincere "peace", of course), and he'd be just about perfect.
Done. peace
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stupidguy2
I know you're referring to HB,
But you're classy Naturalist, and I enjoy your posts. We're not always going to agree on everything, but I always worry that my own lack of tact distorts my respect for others.......and I always respect your POV and the manner in which you express it.
Peace
Yes indeed. All our dear Naturalust has to do is refrain from making insulting, passive-aggressive comments at the end of his posts (always followed up by an insincere "peace", of course), and he'd be just about perfect.
Done. peace
But I thought Naturalist's 'Peace' was genuine, a way to end an argument with a 'It's all good...still love ya'
Isn't it Naturalist? Isn't it, Huh?
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stupidguy2
I know you're referring to HB,
But you're classy Naturalist, and I enjoy your posts. We're not always going to agree on everything, but I always worry that my own lack of tact distorts my respect for others.......and I always respect your POV and the manner in which you express it.
Peace
Yes indeed. All our dear Naturalust has to do is refrain from making insulting, passive-aggressive comments at the end of his posts (always followed up by an insincere "peace", of course), and he'd be just about perfect.
Done. peace
But I thought Naturalist's 'Peace' was genuine, a way to end an argument with a 'It's all good...still love ya'
Isn't it Naturalist? Isn't it, Huh?
Yep, it's genuine all right. I've got nothing but love for Rolling Stones fans at the end of the day. Even the misguided, cynical and slightly broken ones... peace
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stupidguy2
I know you're referring to HB,
But you're classy Naturalist, and I enjoy your posts. We're not always going to agree on everything, but I always worry that my own lack of tact distorts my respect for others.......and I always respect your POV and the manner in which you express it.
Peace
Yes indeed. All our dear Naturalust has to do is refrain from making insulting, passive-aggressive comments at the end of his posts (always followed up by an insincere "peace", of course), and he'd be just about perfect.
Done. peace
But I thought Naturalist's 'Peace' was genuine, a way to end an argument with a 'It's all good...still love ya'
Isn't it Naturalist? Isn't it, Huh?
Yep, it's genuine all right. I've got nothing but love for Rolling Stones fans at the end of the day. Even the misguided, cynical and slightly broken ones... peace
And what about the hypocritical ones ...?
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Bliss
>>>I just think his 'hold' over Exile is vastly overstated.
If Gram was the catalyst for Torn and Frayed and Sweet Virginia - we owe him a lot.
On a similar note, the impetus for Shine a Light was Billy Preston taking Mick to gospel churches in LA.
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stupidguy2
I know you're referring to HB,
But you're classy Naturalist, and I enjoy your posts. We're not always going to agree on everything, but I always worry that my own lack of tact distorts my respect for others.......and I always respect your POV and the manner in which you express it.
Peace
Yes indeed. All our dear Naturalust has to do is refrain from making insulting, passive-aggressive comments at the end of his posts (always followed up by an insincere "peace", of course), and he'd be just about perfect.
Done. peace
But I thought Naturalist's 'Peace' was genuine, a way to end an argument with a 'It's all good...still love ya'
Isn't it Naturalist? Isn't it, Huh?
Yep, it's genuine all right. I've got nothing but love for Rolling Stones fans at the end of the day. Even the misguided, cynical and slightly broken ones... peace
And what about the hypocritical ones ...?
Yeah them too, obviously. peace
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stupidguy2
I know you're referring to HB,
But you're classy Naturalist, and I enjoy your posts. We're not always going to agree on everything, but I always worry that my own lack of tact distorts my respect for others.......and I always respect your POV and the manner in which you express it.
Peace
Yes indeed. All our dear Naturalust has to do is refrain from making insulting, passive-aggressive comments at the end of his posts (always followed up by an insincere "peace", of course), and he'd be just about perfect.
Done. peace
But I thought Naturalist's 'Peace' was genuine, a way to end an argument with a 'It's all good...still love ya'
Isn't it Naturalist? Isn't it, Huh?
Yep, it's genuine all right. I've got nothing but love for Rolling Stones fans at the end of the day. Even the misguided, cynical and slightly broken ones... peace
And what about the hypocritical ones ...?
Yeah them too, obviously. peace
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lem motlow
let me tell you something,when i first came to this sight a couple of years ago i felt at times i was communicating with a group of robots who had been programmed in a boardroom at jane roses office.
to this day idiots are trying to give him credit for the stones country flavored songs,songs he had absolutely nothing to do with the creation of.
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lem motlow
great post hbwriter-
let me tell you something,when i first came to this sight a couple of years ago i felt at times i was communicating with a group of robots who had been programmed in a boardroom at jane roses office.
its gotten much better,people started asking questions like if keith was the "heart and soul" of the band and "lived for the stones" then why did he choose a girl over a bandmate in 67,drugs over the future of the band in 77 and fight with mick over "the great betrayal of the solo album" a claim that sort of unravelled when someone posted audio of him saying"solo albums,yeah we'll all do them,i've got about 200 songs that wont work with the stones"-keith said this in 1971.
but one of the most outrageous,ridiculous,and downright stupid premises put forth during the great keith richards myth building and history rewrite act of the 1980s was the gram parsons fairy tale.
this sound familiar?-mick was "jetsetting" and into high society and wouldnt hang around the "real people" in keiths crowd
the adult version-keiths house was filled with low-lifes,sycophants,junkies and hangers on who eventually stole his guitars and turned him into the police.its a miracle jagger ever stepped foot in the place, and who are these "high society people" mick was hanging around with?
i've never thought of david bowie,andy warhol and lou reed as "high society"
but the gram parsons myth-....i didnt know whether to laugh or just stare in disbelief.the story went-mick was "jealous" of gram because he was keiths friend and he was so young and talented.mick was very "stand-offish" around gram...uuummm ok
meanwhile here on earth-mick jagger was in his late 20s and was the most famous rockstar in the world not named lennon or mccartney.[i dont think i have to recap his career up to that point for you] but mick was jealous of a guy nobody knew except that he used to be the 3rd most famous one of the byrds.....yeah that makes sense,if you're so high all the time that you cant think straight.
jagger didnt like the guy because he was a sycophant that was hanging around his songwriting partner and might try to lay claim to a songwriting co-credit if keith came up with something while this minor talent was hanging off his coattails.mick was fighting allen klein for the rights to the songs they had,he didnt need any more headaches.
to this day idiots are trying to give him credit for the stones country flavored songs,songs he had absolutely nothing to do with the creation of.
the stones,especially mick had listened to country music since they were children and in the EARLY 60s,did shows with george jones.
jones is held in the same regard by country music fans as chuck berry is to rockers.one of his guitar players taught the stones the nashville tuning that is used on wild horses.later the myth became that gram had come up with it,yeah right.
just the thought that anyone thinks for a second that some trust fund baby that went around pretending to be hank williams turned the f/cking stones on to country music....its sickening