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Silverwaste
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there is a collection, only audio, of their concerts in the Olympia, Paris in 66, 67 and 68.
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Youngie
Hopefully some (even part complete) concert that was filmed & is available on DVD/VHS. Just curious.
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Silverwaste
Here, they play only a song live:
I don't think it was meant as an insult. It's a joke - a typical "young man" joke. Even though Brian said it on TV I promise you that they all said those kind of stuff backstage.Quote
The Sicilian
Then he insults Mick by saying that he is popular with the men instead of the women.
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tonterapiI don't think it was meant as an insult. It's a joke - a typical "young man" joke. Even though Brian said it on TV I promise you that they all said those kind of stuff backstage.Quote
The Sicilian
Then he insults Mick by saying that he is popular with the men instead of the women.
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tonterapiI don't think it was meant as an insult. It's a joke - a typical "young man" joke. Even though Brian said it on TV I promise you that they all said those kind of stuff backstage.Quote
The Sicilian
Then he insults Mick by saying that he is popular with the men instead of the women.
I realize the joking part, but not in 1964. A very conservative audience of the time probably didn't think so. Anyhow he went out of his way to make the comment and he embarrassed Mick. But he took it in stride. Brian's attempt to be an alpha male.
It's one thing to joke off camera with the fellas quite another to be joked with on a public broadcast and live audience. Especially about gay issues that had everyone hiding in closets back then and even today.
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Doxa
I wonder why on earth they didn't used it better in the original recording?
- Doxa
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howled
Brian's playing is a bit of a mystery to me.
He doesn't seem to play a straight blues solo without slide yet I think he was quite capable of doing it.
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The Sicilian
I realize the joking part, but not in 1964.
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tonterapiI don't think it was meant as an insult. It's a joke - a typical "young man" joke. Even though Brian said it on TV I promise you that they all said those kind of stuff backstage.Quote
The Sicilian
Then he insults Mick by saying that he is popular with the men instead of the women.
I realize the joking part, but not in 1964. A very conservative audience of the time probably didn't think so. Anyhow he went out of his way to make the comment and he embarrassed Mick. But he took it in stride. Brian's attempt to be an alpha male.
It's one thing to joke off camera with the fellas quite another to be joked with on a public broadcast and live audience. Especially about gay issues that had everyone hiding in closets back then and even today.
Brian was showing his dominance in the group by making Mick the butt of his joke. Brian was the leader of the Stones at that point.
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Green Lady
Hard to pick one as sadly we have so few. This (audio only) is well worth a listen:
It's the rebel in Brian that's talking of course. He knew that he was crossing a certain line with that joke. He took a cheap shot at Mick using him as a joke. But I think the "alpha male" thing is reading too much in it. I see it more like a Beatles-joke but in a more Stones rock n roll version.Quote
The Sicilian
I realize the joking part, but not in 1964. A very conservative audience of the time probably didn't think so. Anyhow he went out of his way to make the comment and he embarrassed Mick. But he took it in stride. Brian's attempt to be an alpha male.
It's one thing to joke off camera with the fellas quite another to be joked with on a public broadcast and live audience. Especially about gay issues that had everyone hiding in closets back then and even today.
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Doxa
Of the individual footages we have now of Brian era live, I think the NME 1964 is the best one. It is great evidence of the energy of the band, and especially of Brian's stage presence. The way he plays harmonica in "Not Fade Away" and "I Just Wnana Make Love To You" is lamost like playing lead or solo guitar. I can't recall when a musician in a rock band concenrating 'only' in playing harmonica could have such a marvellous effect to the whole sound. Also the way Brian picks up tambourine during "I'm Alright", and pushes the band to more intensivity, gives a nice of guy's skills as a performer.
- Doxa
I think Brian's riff was used the right way. It is not really a riff; more of an effect; a whiny kind of twang on top of Keith's aggressive strum. I don't mean 'whiny' in a negative sense, can not think of another word. So with Brian's line it is not so much a matter of notes, but of effect. It also says something that Brian is not playing it with a pattern so much. It is slightly varied everytime he plays it. Brian, I think, knewq very well what the song needed. IMO Brian often gave in his own volume or prominence for sake of the overall song.Quote
Doxa
Now, when listening to that Honolulu show first time for ages, Brian's guitar riff in "Get Off of My Cloud" really stands out. It is really catchy and genious in its simplicity. I wonder why on earth they didn't used it better in the original recording? "Get Off of My Cloud" wasn't ALO's brightest production example in the first place but I see there a missed chance; the riff could have constitute the songs the way the riffs in "The Last Time" and "Satisfaction" do.(But then again: it made #1 in both sides of Atlantic so who am I to judge?)
Love the feeling of the show, the fun; Charlie's getting the song wrong, etc. They all - the band, the screaming chicks - were so young and innocent sounding there... just having fun. It is incredible how differnt it all was in their next American Tour in 1969... So serious and important musically and contextually...
It would be a dream to have a great document of Brian era show. Especially 1967 European Tour would be interesting from a musical point of view. The raw bootleg stuff we have gives clues that the band was actually transforming from the pure pop sounds of 1966 to more rougher rock sounds already there. But I am afraid there does not exist such a thing.
A wet dream would have an early rhythm & blues show from the Richmond days or something... But this is just dreaming... I wonder if there are more stuff in teh vaults they recorded for GOT LIVE IF YOU WANT IT! UK EP (not American LP)?
- Doxa