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I was exaggertaing a bit, but the album is mostly riffs and grooves, rather than fleshed-out songs. Keith really stopped writing songs in the traditional sense and without Mick he relied on collaborators with lesser skills. The results were not great, imo.
I agree to a lot your comments; allthough I'd give "Demon" thumbs down and "Yap Yap" a big thumb up.
Also...."Runnin' To Deep" and "Will But You Won't" are too much alike eachother....something one maybe wouldn't be *that* aware of, if they weren't following oneanother on the record - and none of them really seems quite finished, either. Rest of the album is excellent
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2011-10-31 22:09 by Erik_Snow.
Nah, i'd probably be embarrassed and commit suicide, and no one would show to my wake.
39th and Sheridan, Minneapolis, MN.
Exactly.
I liked Talk is Cheap because it's built on grooves - and that's Keith.
But there isn't enough musical depth to be anything else but grooves.
Jager wrote songs.
Just compare anything from Keith's two solo albums to "Out of Focus".
Its not even close.
So you will stand up for Primitive Cool and She's The Boss?
SUPERIOR songwriting skills?
You don't enjoy Wild Horses or Angie?
Beast Of Burden or Almost Hear You Sigh?
Whip It Up? Wicked As It Seems? Love Is Strong?
All Richards.
SUPERIOR?
Jagger has repeatedly proven his songwriting is nothing without Richards.
Album sales back that up...
Don't be such a stupidguy2
Jagger writes songs, complete songs - sometimes misses, but mostly hits...
Those songs you mentioned: chords, a hint of melody, a few words - but Jagger put all those pieces together. I love Keith, and unlike Keith desciples, I can appreciate that they need each other and are less without each other. But overall, Jagger is the more complete songwriter, period.
Just listen to Keith's vocal on "Soul Survivor" - it could be about Shepard's Pie for all I know. Jagger gave it depth, body.
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2011-11-01 00:41 by stupidguy2.
Jagger the better songwriter? Hmmmm shall we start a new thread?
I think solo is Jagger better then Keith and in the past it was Keith and Mick was there to finish the songs
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Complete songwriter.
Now there is no arguing that.
Now there is no arguing that.
Obviously not.
Are you micking Mock?
Whoa!
Watch your language
of course you do,but then if renee recorded himself going to the bathroom you'd be begging for a video and outtakes of the session.
Whoa!
Watch your language
Oh wait..that's actually harmless
Holy shit. I'd forgot how lame that was. from a bloke that once claimed to like RNR
Good job, because there's no way Keef would've got involved with that shitfest
Might also explain why is sounds bent.
I guess its not retrograde enought for ya.
Are you kidding? I know a well-crafted song when I hear one. Listen to these (these are not grooves and riffs, btw):
I agree about MO being an album that leans a bit too much on the grooves, and less on the songwriting. But not to recognise HIWYL as a fantastic song is imo sad, sad, sad...
No. It just sounds pathetically middle of the road. You may like that type of easy listening stuff. I don't
I prefer things with a bit of umph
Talk about your favorite band.
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Re: WANDERING SPIRIT or MAIN OFENDER ???
Posted by:
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Date: October 31, 2011 22:01
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71Tele
Personally, I prefer albums to have songs. The problem with Main Offender is that unlike Talk Is Cheap, it doesn't have any.
I agree, but claiming HIWYL, WAIS, Eileen and WOW aren't songs is stretching it a bit
I was exaggertaing a bit, but the album is mostly riffs and grooves, rather than fleshed-out songs. Keith really stopped writing songs in the traditional sense and without Mick he relied on collaborators with lesser skills. The results were not great, imo.
Re: WANDERING SPIRIT or MAIN OFENDER ???
Posted by:
Erik_Snow
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Date: October 31, 2011 22:04
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Munichhilton
TooTough I know that music is all opinions but I think you are way off on that one.
999 - Great Jam
Wicked as It Seems - Perfection Great Riff
Eileen - As good as Keith gets
Words of Wonder - Keith loves Rasta, Rasta Loves Keith
Yap Yap - Not his best
Bodytalks - No comment
Hate It When You Leave - Great chords very motown
Runnin' Too Deep - EXCELLENT Riff. Great turnaround Classic Keith
Will but You Won't - Solid Song
Demon - His best songwriting since Beast Of Burden
I agree to a lot your comments; allthough I'd give "Demon" thumbs down and "Yap Yap" a big thumb up.
Also...."Runnin' To Deep" and "Will But You Won't" are too much alike eachother....something one maybe wouldn't be *that* aware of, if they weren't following oneanother on the record - and none of them really seems quite finished, either. Rest of the album is excellent
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2011-10-31 22:09 by Erik_Snow.
Re: WANDERING SPIRIT or MAIN OFENDER ???
Posted by:
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Date: October 31, 2011 22:52
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Demon - His best songwriting since Beast Of Burden
If it's a song that I could have potentially written then it can't be that great.
Interesting grandiosity that.
Not to me... it's really a lame song, i'd be ashamed if i wrote it.
No, you'd be a highly successful and well listened to singer/songwriter if you wrote it.
Let's keep it straight.
Nah, i'd probably be embarrassed and commit suicide, and no one would show to my wake.
Re: WANDERING SPIRIT or MAIN OFENDER ???
Posted by:
floodonthepage
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Date: October 31, 2011 23:32
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I remember the intersection I was at when I first heard "Don't Tear Me Up" on the radio
what was the intersection?
39th and Sheridan, Minneapolis, MN.
Re: WANDERING SPIRIT or MAIN OFENDER ???
Posted by:
stupidguy2
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Date: October 31, 2011 23:35
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71TeleQuote
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71Tele
Personally, I prefer albums to have songs. The problem with Main Offender is that unlike Talk Is Cheap, it doesn't have any.
I agree, but claiming HIWYL, WAIS, Eileen and WOW aren't songs is stretching it a bit
I was exaggertaing a bit, but the album is mostly riffs and grooves, rather than fleshed-out songs. Keith really stopped writing songs in the traditional sense and without Mick he relied on collaborators with lesser skills. The results were not great, imo.
Exactly.
I liked Talk is Cheap because it's built on grooves - and that's Keith.
But there isn't enough musical depth to be anything else but grooves.
Jager wrote songs.
Just compare anything from Keith's two solo albums to "Out of Focus".
Its not even close.
Re: WANDERING SPIRIT or MAIN OFENDER ???
Posted by:
stupidguy2
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Date: October 31, 2011 23:44
Or this (actually, from GITD, but another example of Jagger's superior songwriting skils.
Re: WANDERING SPIRIT or MAIN OFENDER ???
Posted by:
Munichhilton
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Date: November 1, 2011 00:23
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stupidguy2
another example of Jagger's superior songwriting skils.
So you will stand up for Primitive Cool and She's The Boss?
SUPERIOR songwriting skills?
You don't enjoy Wild Horses or Angie?
Beast Of Burden or Almost Hear You Sigh?
Whip It Up? Wicked As It Seems? Love Is Strong?
All Richards.
SUPERIOR?
Jagger has repeatedly proven his songwriting is nothing without Richards.
Album sales back that up...
Don't be such a stupidguy2
Re: WANDERING SPIRIT or MAIN OFENDER ???
Posted by:
stupidguy2
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Date: November 1, 2011 00:26
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MunichhiltonQuote
stupidguy2
another example of Jagger's superior songwriting skils.
So you will stand up for Primitive Cool and She's The Boss?
SUPERIOR songwriting skills?
You don't enjoy Wild Horses or Angie?
Beast Of Burden or Almost Hear You Sigh?
Whip It Up? Wicked As It Seems? Love Is Strong?
All Richards.
SUPERIOR?
Jagger has repeatedly proven his songwriting is nothing without Richards.
Album sales back that up...
Don't be such a stupidguy2
Jagger writes songs, complete songs - sometimes misses, but mostly hits...
Those songs you mentioned: chords, a hint of melody, a few words - but Jagger put all those pieces together. I love Keith, and unlike Keith desciples, I can appreciate that they need each other and are less without each other. But overall, Jagger is the more complete songwriter, period.
Just listen to Keith's vocal on "Soul Survivor" - it could be about Shepard's Pie for all I know. Jagger gave it depth, body.
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2011-11-01 00:41 by stupidguy2.
Re: WANDERING SPIRIT or MAIN OFENDER ???
Posted by:
doubledoor
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Date: November 1, 2011 01:34
I enjoyed Wandering Spirit more than Main Offender when they were new releases. But Main Offender has had much stronger legs and is hands down my choice a decade plus removed.
Re: WANDERING SPIRIT or MAIN OFENDER ???
Posted by:
Loudei
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Date: November 1, 2011 02:11
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stupidguy2Quote
MunichhiltonQuote
stupidguy2
another example of Jagger's superior songwriting skils.
So you will stand up for Primitive Cool and She's The Boss?
SUPERIOR songwriting skills?
You don't enjoy Wild Horses or Angie?
Beast Of Burden or Almost Hear You Sigh?
Whip It Up? Wicked As It Seems? Love Is Strong?
All Richards.
SUPERIOR?
Jagger has repeatedly proven his songwriting is nothing without Richards.
Album sales back that up...
Don't be such a stupidguy2
Jagger writes songs, complete songs - sometimes misses, but mostly hits...
Those songs you mentioned: chords, a hint of melody, a few words - but Jagger put all those pieces together. I love Keith, and unlike Keith desciples, I can appreciate that they need each other and are less without each other. But overall, Jagger is the more complete songwriter, period.
Just listen to Keith's vocal on "Soul Survivor" - it could be about Shepard's Pie for all I know. Jagger gave it depth, body.
Jagger the better songwriter? Hmmmm shall we start a new thread?
Re: WANDERING SPIRIT or MAIN OFENDER ???
Posted by:
NICOS
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Date: November 1, 2011 02:20
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LoudeiQuote
stupidguy2Quote
MunichhiltonQuote
stupidguy2
another example of Jagger's superior songwriting skils.
So you will stand up for Primitive Cool and She's The Boss?
SUPERIOR songwriting skills?
You don't enjoy Wild Horses or Angie?
Beast Of Burden or Almost Hear You Sigh?
Whip It Up? Wicked As It Seems? Love Is Strong?
All Richards.
SUPERIOR?
Jagger has repeatedly proven his songwriting is nothing without Richards.
Album sales back that up...
Don't be such a stupidguy2
Jagger writes songs, complete songs - sometimes misses, but mostly hits...
Those songs you mentioned: chords, a hint of melody, a few words - but Jagger put all those pieces together. I love Keith, and unlike Keith desciples, I can appreciate that they need each other and are less without each other. But overall, Jagger is the more complete songwriter, period.
Just listen to Keith's vocal on "Soul Survivor" - it could be about Shepard's Pie for all I know. Jagger gave it depth, body.
Jagger the better songwriter? Hmmmm shall we start a new thread?
I think solo is Jagger better then Keith and in the past it was Keith and Mick was there to finish the songs
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Re: WANDERING SPIRIT or MAIN OFENDER ???
Posted by:
stupidguy2
()
Date: November 1, 2011 02:36
Quote
LoudeiQuote
stupidguy2Quote
MunichhiltonQuote
stupidguy2
another example of Jagger's superior songwriting skils.
So you will stand up for Primitive Cool and She's The Boss?
SUPERIOR songwriting skills?
You don't enjoy Wild Horses or Angie?
Beast Of Burden or Almost Hear You Sigh?
Whip It Up? Wicked As It Seems? Love Is Strong?
All Richards.
SUPERIOR?
Jagger has repeatedly proven his songwriting is nothing without Richards.
Album sales back that up...
Don't be such a stupidguy2
Jagger writes songs, complete songs - sometimes misses, but mostly hits...
Those songs you mentioned: chords, a hint of melody, a few words - but Jagger put all those pieces together. I love Keith, and unlike Keith desciples, I can appreciate that they need each other and are less without each other. But overall, Jagger is the more complete songwriter, period.
Just listen to Keith's vocal on "Soul Survivor" - it could be about Shepard's Pie for all I know. Jagger gave it depth, body.
Jagger the better songwriter? Hmmmm shall we start a new thread?
Complete songwriter.
Re: WANDERING SPIRIT or MAIN OFENDER ???
Posted by:
treaclefingers
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Date: November 1, 2011 02:43
This thread is beginning to sound completely stupid.
Re: WANDERING SPIRIT or MAIN OFENDER ???
Posted by:
Munichhilton
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Date: November 1, 2011 04:01
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treaclefingers
This thread is beginning to sound completely stupid.
Now there is no arguing that.
Re: WANDERING SPIRIT or MAIN OFENDER ???
Posted by:
ab
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Date: November 1, 2011 04:24
Wandering Spirit is easily Jagger's best solo album, and Main Offender is often riffs in search of songs. But, because those riffs are so damn good, I'd give Main Offender the nod. Jagger's solo work is too polished for my liking.
Re: WANDERING SPIRIT or MAIN OFENDER ???
Posted by:
Munichhilton
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Date: November 1, 2011 04:25
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ab
Wandering Spirit is easily Jagger's best solo album, and Main Offender is often riffs in search of songs. But, because those riffs are so damn good, I'd give Main Offender the nod. Jagger's solo work is too polished for my liking.
Now there is no arguing that.
Re: WANDERING SPIRIT or MAIN OFENDER ???
Posted by:
stupidguy2
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Date: November 1, 2011 04:38
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MunichhiltonQuote
ab
Wandering Spirit is easily Jagger's best solo album, and Main Offender is often riffs in search of songs. But, because those riffs are so damn good, I'd give Main Offender the nod. Jagger's solo work is too polished for my liking.
Now there is no arguing that.
Obviously not.
Re: WANDERING SPIRIT or MAIN OFENDER ???
Posted by:
slew
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Date: November 1, 2011 15:21
Wandering Spirit is a finished album with finished songs, Main Offender with a couple of exceptions sounds like a jam session. I am a big Keith fan but come on. Main Offender sounds like it NEEDS Mick Jagger to come in and FINISH the songs whereas WS has already done that without Mr. Richards. We all think Mock can not do anything on his own - rubbish!! Wandering Spirit confirms that he can and can do it well at least once in 25 years anyways!!!
Re: WANDERING SPIRIT or MAIN OFENDER ???
Posted by:
treaclefingers
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Date: November 1, 2011 20:16
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slew
Wandering Spirit is a finished album with finished songs, Main Offender with a couple of exceptions sounds like a jam session. I am a big Keith fan but come on. Main Offender sounds like it NEEDS Mick Jagger to come in and FINISH the songs whereas WS has already done that without Mr. Richards. We all think Mock can not do anything on his own - rubbish!! Wandering Spirit confirms that he can and can do it well at least once in 25 years anyways!!!
Are you micking Mock?
Re: WANDERING SPIRIT or MAIN OFENDER ???
Posted by:
Munichhilton
()
Date: November 1, 2011 21:16
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treaclefingersQuote
slew
Wandering Spirit is a finished album with finished songs, Main Offender with a couple of exceptions sounds like a jam session. I am a big Keith fan but come on. Main Offender sounds like it NEEDS Mick Jagger to come in and FINISH the songs whereas WS has already done that without Mr. Richards. We all think Mock can not do anything on his own - rubbish!! Wandering Spirit confirms that he can and can do it well at least once in 25 years anyways!!!
Are you micking Mock?
Whoa!
Watch your language
Re: WANDERING SPIRIT or MAIN OFENDER ???
Posted by:
lem motlow
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Date: November 1, 2011 21:50
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Munichhilton
Clearly there needed to be an fantastic 1992-3 Stones LP called Wandering Offender.
They are both good outputs. Remarkable considering Brenda's other efforts.
I go with Main Offender
of course you do,but then if renee recorded himself going to the bathroom you'd be begging for a video and outtakes of the session.
Re: WANDERING SPIRIT or MAIN OFENDER ???
Posted by:
Munichhilton
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Date: November 1, 2011 22:23
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lem motlowQuote
Munichhilton
Clearly there needed to be an fantastic 1992-3 Stones LP called Wandering Offender.
They are both good outputs. Remarkable considering Brenda's other efforts.
I go with Main Offender
of course you do,but then if renee recorded himself going to the bathroom you'd be begging for a video and outtakes of the session.
Whoa!
Watch your language
Oh wait..that's actually harmless
Re: WANDERING SPIRIT or MAIN OFENDER ???
Posted by:
uhbuhgullayew
()
Date: November 2, 2011 01:15
Quote
lem motlowQuote
Munichhilton
Clearly there needed to be an fantastic 1992-3 Stones LP called Wandering Offender.
They are both good outputs. Remarkable considering Brenda's other efforts.
I go with Main Offender
of course you do,but then if renee recorded himself going to the bathroom you'd be begging for a video and outtakes of the session.
Re: WANDERING SPIRIT or MAIN OFENDER ???
Posted by:
andy js
()
Date: November 2, 2011 03:04
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stupidguy2
Or this (actually, from GITD, but another example of Jagger's superior songwriting skils.
Holy shit. I'd forgot how lame that was. from a bloke that once claimed to like RNR
Re: WANDERING SPIRIT or MAIN OFENDER ???
Posted by:
andy js
()
Date: November 2, 2011 03:05
Quote
slew
Wandering Spirit is a finished album with finished songs, Main Offender with a couple of exceptions sounds like a jam session. I am a big Keith fan but come on. Main Offender sounds like it NEEDS Mick Jagger to come in and FINISH the songs whereas WS has already done that without Mr. Richards
Good job, because there's no way Keef would've got involved with that shitfest
Might also explain why is sounds bent.
Re: WANDERING SPIRIT or MAIN OFENDER ???
Posted by:
stupidguy2
()
Date: November 2, 2011 04:31
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andy jsQuote
slew
Wandering Spirit is a finished album with finished songs, Main Offender with a couple of exceptions sounds like a jam session. I am a big Keith fan but come on. Main Offender sounds like it NEEDS Mick Jagger to come in and FINISH the songs whereas WS has already done that without Mr. Richards
Good job, because there's no way Keef would've got involved with that shitfest
Might also explain why is sounds bent.
I guess its not retrograde enought for ya.
Re: WANDERING SPIRIT or MAIN OFENDER ???
Posted by:
andrea66
()
Date: November 2, 2011 12:41
2 very good album,
but i prefer wandering spirit
but i prefer wandering spirit
Re: WANDERING SPIRIT or MAIN OFENDER ???
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
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Date: November 2, 2011 13:13
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stupidguy2Quote
71TeleQuote
DandelionPowdermanQuote
71Tele
Personally, I prefer albums to have songs. The problem with Main Offender is that unlike Talk Is Cheap, it doesn't have any.
I agree, but claiming HIWYL, WAIS, Eileen and WOW aren't songs is stretching it a bit
I was exaggertaing a bit, but the album is mostly riffs and grooves, rather than fleshed-out songs. Keith really stopped writing songs in the traditional sense and without Mick he relied on collaborators with lesser skills. The results were not great, imo.
Exactly.
I liked Talk is Cheap because it's built on grooves - and that's Keith.
But there isn't enough musical depth to be anything else but grooves.
Jager wrote songs.
Just compare anything from Keith's two solo albums to "Out of Focus".
Its not even close.
Are you kidding? I know a well-crafted song when I hear one. Listen to these (these are not grooves and riffs, btw):
I agree about MO being an album that leans a bit too much on the grooves, and less on the songwriting. But not to recognise HIWYL as a fantastic song is imo sad, sad, sad...
Re: WANDERING SPIRIT or MAIN OFENDER ???
Posted by:
andy js
()
Date: November 2, 2011 16:36
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stupidguy2
I guess its not retrograde enought for ya.
No. It just sounds pathetically middle of the road. You may like that type of easy listening stuff. I don't
I prefer things with a bit of umph
Re: WANDERING SPIRIT or MAIN OFENDER ???
Posted by:
andy js
()
Date: November 2, 2011 16:45
Could you ever imagine Mick coming out with anything as gloriously swaggering as these ?. Mick's all about the gloss, the over produced middle of the road pap. Meanwhile Keef was bashing out some good ol RNR with the dirt still under its fingernails
I can't fathom how ANYONE could prefer that ropey Mick toss to these rough n ready gems
I can't fathom how ANYONE could prefer that ropey Mick toss to these rough n ready gems
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