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You may argue that he music is more accessable, but she didn't have near the international influence that Nirvana had. As many have said, Nirvana was the head of a new movement in rock, it didn't really sound new, but the youths embraced it as their music. Amy was great, but she just didn't have the mass appeal or influence. And as was said above, her most famous claim was Rehab and her drug use...not her records. Sad, but true.
Where are all the Amy fans? Sheesh...
"Rehab" is not the only song she made or that people know....but I will say that her death may have led many to re-discover her music.
When you guys say things like that, its just sounds like an evident refusal to even listen to her music beyond that.
I can't argue with that. I'm talking about an artist individually, not as some kind of mass movement where gazillions of kids mimic its style, or where a record industry is invigorated...that's about ebbs and lows of music trends.... That's a different argument. Janis did not spark a 'movement'. Billie Holliday did not spark a 'movement'. People, audiences responded to their voices, music, story. That's what ultimately lasts, not how many people wore beehives.
Whatever...nevermind...
I've always enjoyed your posts whitem8, and we're just have to agree to disagree on this one.
I like her. Remember my first post I said I didn't say either was better than they other, just tried to offer a rational answer to your question.
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I don't even know the origins of the 27 Club. No one was thinking that when Jones died. But if anyone deserves to be the founding member, it's Johnson, an influence on all of them. Sure, it's a stupid club. Does Duane Allman get a special club, the 24 Club? Or, even more exclusive, the Buddy Holly 22 Club, or the Ritchie Valens 17 Club? The 27 Club is marked by people who had a lot to do with their own untimely demise. And all went too soon.
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The whole issue is stupid per se, but, since it's only r&r, it's alright.
. Does anyone ask from Janis Joplin how can she be claimed to join the the club of 27 if there is someone like Jimi Hendrix there to be compared to? C'mon. As far as I'm concerned not any bloody Kurt Cobain make the club if the criteria is to be influential like Robert Johnson or Jimi Hendrix. So if Cobain makes it, surely Amy makes it too! ..
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.......... The GREAT GREAT Hank cranked it out ta 30.....
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The whole issue is stupid per se, but, since it's only r&r, it's alright.
. Does anyone ask from Janis Joplin how can she be claimed to join the the club of 27 if there is someone like Jimi Hendrix there to be compared to? C'mon. As far as I'm concerned not any bloody Kurt Cobain make the club if the criteria is to be influential like Robert Johnson or Jimi Hendrix. So if Cobain makes it, surely Amy makes it too! ..
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You just made the point I was trying to make so much more succinctly and rationally.....
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StonesRule hearts Rockman. I will not treat you as ludicrously as Keith did Mick in my book "Another Side of LIFE" Which includes something I never dared tell Cindy C. At his request, I was the first person to ever put eye shadow on his soulful lids. If IORR was a Murdoch newspaper the headline would read:
THE SECRET SHAME OF KEITH RICHARDS
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The whole issue is stupid per se, but, since it's only r&r, it's alright.
. Does anyone ask from Janis Joplin how can she be claimed to join the the club of 27 if there is someone like Jimi Hendrix there to be compared to? C'mon. As far as I'm concerned not any bloody Kurt Cobain make the club if the criteria is to be influential like Robert Johnson or Jimi Hendrix. So if Cobain makes it, surely Amy makes it too! ..
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You just made the point I was trying to make so much more succinctly and rationally.....
What a moronic position, although I will give you more succinct that you were able to offer...this is not an actual 'club'.
Belonging to the 'club' requires nothing more than being a musician and dying at age 27. It is a sad coincidence that was discovered. Your whole rant is ludicrous. You've created a strawman argument, and are trying to get people 'riled up' for why Amy Winehouse isn't allowed in 'Club 27'.
Who hasn't let her in?
In your rant, you've been either trying to say that Amy Winehouse is better, or at least as good as Kurt Cobain.
Who cares? Why compare 2 artists separated by almost a generation?
For the morons that persist in the Stones vs. Beatles debate, at least they were friends/rivals/contemporaries for a period of time.
What has AW have to do with KB?
Stop the nonsense.
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Cindy!
Your grapevine is swift!
No, this was in 1970ish when both Mick and Keith decided it was time to wear make-up on stage.
Other details must remain between just us.
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This thread went nowhere
You should never try to convince someone that compares Amy Winehouse's legacy to Kurt Cobain's that he/she is off base. For now the answer's obvious, but perhaps time will tell.
They'll probably release a ton of posthumous material from AW, though I doubt there will be the same market for it as KC.
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This thread went nowhere
You should never try to convince someone that compares Amy Winehouse's legacy to Kurt Cobain's that he/she is off base. For now the answer's obvious, but perhaps time will tell.
They'll probably release a ton of posthumous material from AW, though I doubt there will be the same market for it as KC.
Is Cobain that exalted now? I had no idea. I don't know anyone who actually still listens to Nirvana anymore...so I must be out of the loop.
I should have just left AW out of the equation because apparently, Cobain was God.
I should just start over:
Nirvana was/is overrated.
Limited subject matter, limited muscial stylings or variations or chord progressions, limited vocal ability...and finally and most unfortunately, limited subject matter. (I used to think 'aqua seam-foam shame (?)....' Does that even mean anything?
But they made a big noise and alot of kids wore flannels and shorts, so who am I to knock them off their mantle.
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This thread went nowhere
You should never try to convince someone that compares Amy Winehouse's legacy to Kurt Cobain's that he/she is off base. For now the answer's obvious, but perhaps time will tell.
They'll probably release a ton of posthumous material from AW, though I doubt there will be the same market for it as KC.
Is Cobain that exalted now? I had no idea. I don't know anyone who actually still listens to Nirvana anymore...so I must be out of the loop.
I should have just left AW out of the equation because apparently, Cobain was God.
I should just start over:
Nirvana was/is overrated.
Limited subject matter, limited muscial stylings or variations or chord progressions, limited vocal ability...and finally and most unfortunately, limited subject matter. (I used to think 'aqua seam-foam shame (?)....' Does that even mean anything?
But they made a big noise and alot of kids wore flannels and shorts, so who am I to knock them off their mantle.
We understand you don't like Nirvana, and you prefer Amy Winehouse.
Why don't you just stop talking about it...no one is going to change your tastes, and you'll change no one's.
I think both were fine for their time, both were a little overrated given how limited their output was, both led very tragic existences and both left far too soon.
What else is there to say about it that makes any difference?
Because you brought it up again and still miss the point.
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This thread went nowhere
You should never try to convince someone that compares Amy Winehouse's legacy to Kurt Cobain's that he/she is off base. For now the answer's obvious, but perhaps time will tell.
They'll probably release a ton of posthumous material from AW, though I doubt there will be the same market for it as KC.
Is Cobain that exalted now? I had no idea. I don't know anyone who actually still listens to Nirvana anymore...so I must be out of the loop.
I should have just left AW out of the equation because apparently, Cobain was God.
I should just start over:
Nirvana was/is overrated.
Limited subject matter, limited muscial stylings or variations or chord progressions, limited vocal ability...and finally and most unfortunately, limited subject matter. (I used to think 'aqua seam-foam shame (?)....' Does that even mean anything?
But they made a big noise and alot of kids wore flannels and shorts, so who am I to knock them off their mantle.
We understand you don't like Nirvana, and you prefer Amy Winehouse.
Why don't you just stop talking about it...no one is going to change your tastes, and you'll change no one's.
I think both were fine for their time, both were a little overrated given how limited their output was, both led very tragic existences and both left far too soon.
What else is there to say about it that makes any difference?
Because you brought it up again and still miss the point.
You haven't actually made a coherent point...that is my point.
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The whole issue is stupid per se, but, since it's only r&r, it's alright.
I see the idea of thinking Kurt Cobain being somehow more 'important' in terms of musical significance or influence than Amy Winehouse is seriously misguided to a given issue. Does anyone ask from Janis Joplin how can she be claimed to join the the club of 27 if there is someone like Jimi Hendrix there to be compared to? C'mon. As far as I'm concerned not any bloody Kurt Cobain make the club if the criteria is to be influential like Robert Johnson or Jimi Hendrix. So if Cobain makes it, surely Amy makes it too! Besides, for the sake of equality, there are females needed there in that place too. I suppose Amy will going to have a great 'girls' party there with Janis, and let's see how the boys manage... Brian will do alright, anyway..
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In the great history of rock/pop music think Cobain is a minor icon.
If you ask a hundred music fans of diverse ages many of them would barely know who he is. His brief list of songs doesn't qualify him for major attention.
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In the great history of rock/pop music think Cobain is a minor icon.
If you ask a hundred music fans of diverse ages many of them would barely know who he is. His brief list of songs doesn't qualify him for major attention.
It depends on the age group. I think most people aged 30-35 know who he is, but probably not many teenagers or people in their 50s.
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Yes Max's Kurt married Courtney Love. Who I used to really like because despite being such a mess I found her really talented. Now I just find her a mess. Yet their daughter Frances Bean is by all accounts sweet and normal. Go figure. And thank Kurt's mom who basically raised her.