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Oh my! I completely forgot about Shine A Light - the movie, DVD and "soundtrack"!!!!
I fixed the one I put up.
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You forgot 1990: Japanese Steel Wheels tour & European Urban Jungle tour.
Maybe as the RS, though of course both Mick & Keith released solo albums & played live.
Definitely not...
I think the biggest "problem" since the VL tour is that they toured a little too regularly, so (to the media at least) every tour was "just another Stones tour". If another tour happens it will be at least 5 years since the last one, so I think interest will be at it's highest for nearly 2 decades.
All this BS about them "coming back" in 1978 makes it sound like they disappeared between EOMS & SG. Fool To Cry was a number 6 UK hit, while Miss You was number 3, hardly a great difference...
Don't forget that Mick also had a solo album in 2001 though, as well the Alfie soundtrack in 2004. So Mick at least was very busy up until 2007.
Yep, but SG sold 10+ million copies worldwide, more than GHS, IORR, MITS, B&B and LYL COMBINED.
they certianly did not go away from 73-77 but I think in 78 they tapped into something they hadn't beeen able to since EOMS.
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The Stones ruled the 1990's.
Posted by:
theimposter
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Date: July 31, 2011 18:34
Well, maybe not exactly ruled the 90's, but I was thinking about this earlier. Nowadays it's very fashionable for us to complain about how they haven't "been a real band" since Tattoo You, or speculate about what they'll do next or IF they'll do anything next. But think back to the 1990's: after spending most of the 80's both AWOL and very much written off, they blasted back w/a bang. From 1990-1999 they produced 2 strong studio albums, 3 live albums, 4 huge and successful tours (I am counting Urban Jungle in with that), and signed a major record deal. I mean, we had about maybe 2 years of total inactivity from the band during that era. The rest of the time they were steadily rocking. And, IMO, they just got better w/each tour as the decade progressed.
Looking back, I think the 90's were a great period for the Stones and for Stones fans. I have a personal attachment too, as it was where I went from being a casual fan who played his father's Hot Rocks cassette to a full blown fanatic.
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Looking back, I think the 90's were a great period for the Stones and for Stones fans. I have a personal attachment too, as it was where I went from being a casual fan who played his father's Hot Rocks cassette to a full blown fanatic.
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Re: The Stones ruled the 1990's.
Posted by:
slew
()
Date: July 31, 2011 18:36
I'm not unhappy about their output from 1989-2006. I think the 90's were pretty good years for the Stones and the 1999 No Security tour remains their best tour since 1972 for my money.
Re: The Stones ruled the 1990's.
Posted by:
theimposter
()
Date: July 31, 2011 18:48
Well it was a perfect time for them to stage a full-blown return. HAD they stayed together post-Dirty Work, I think they would have gotten lost further in the shuffle and not been able to maintain relevance in an ever-changing musical landscape. But the 90's signaled a return of reverence for blues/roots/guitar-based rock, and it was ideal for them to stake their claim again. And I agree w/No Security. Like I said, I think each tour got subsequently better. I personally think B2B and NS were two of their finest tours ever.
Re: The Stones ruled the 1990's.
Posted by:
DragonSky
()
Date: July 31, 2011 18:57
They were very prolific in the 1990s compared to the 2000s, duly noted in bold.
1991 Flashpoint and Stones At The Max
1993 Jump Back - the kick off to the Virgin Reissues
1994 Voodoo Lounge and tour for two years
1995 Stripped
1997 Bridges To Babylon and tour for three calendar years
1999 No Security and tour, finished the Bridges UK tour
2002 Forty Licks and tour
2003 Licks Tour continues, Four Flicks DVD
2004 Live Licks
2005 A Bigger Bang and tour for three calendar years; Rarities
2007 The Biggest Bang DVD
2008 Shine A Light movie, DVD, Blu-ray and live album
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1991 Flashpoint and Stones At The Max
1993 Jump Back - the kick off to the Virgin Reissues
1994 Voodoo Lounge and tour for two years
1995 Stripped
1997 Bridges To Babylon and tour for three calendar years
1999 No Security and tour, finished the Bridges UK tour
2002 Forty Licks and tour
2003 Licks Tour continues, Four Flicks DVD
2004 Live Licks
2005 A Bigger Bang and tour for three calendar years; Rarities
2007 The Biggest Bang DVD
2008 Shine A Light movie, DVD, Blu-ray and live album
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2011-07-31 19:21 by DragonSky.
Re: The Stones ruled the 1990's.
Posted by:
theimposter
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Date: July 31, 2011 19:03
Well there's been, on paper anyway, plenty of output in the 2000's. There's also Shine a Light and its soundtrack. The difference for me is that in the 1990's it felt like the Stones were still a working band, a group moving forward. This decade has been a band looking back, celebrating its past glories. I am not saying there's anything wrong with that, they've earned it. But for me it wasn't until this century they truly started to become a "nostalgia act". I know people say they already were one in the 90's, but I beg to differ. Voodoo Lounge was a big part of the soundtrack to my life in high school. I was 16 when it came out, and it was still new and current. So a lot of that depends on your perspective.
Re: The Stones ruled the 1990's.
Posted by:
DragonSky
()
Date: July 31, 2011 19:18
Quote
theimposter
Well there's been, on paper anyway, plenty of output in the 2000's. There's also Shine a Light and its soundtrack.
Oh my! I completely forgot about Shine A Light - the movie, DVD and "soundtrack"!!!!
I fixed the one I put up.
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Re: The Stones ruled the 1990's.
Posted by:
Sleepy City
()
Date: July 31, 2011 19:23
Quote
DragonSky
They were very prolific in the 1990s compared to the 2000s, duly noted in bold.
1991 Flashpoint and Stones At The Max
1993 Jump Back - the kick off to the Virgin Reissues
1994 Voodoo Lounge and tour for two years
1995 Stripped
1997 Bridges To Babylon and tour for three calendar years
1999 No Security and tour, finished the Bridges UK tour
2002 Forty Licks and tour
2003 Licks Tour continues, Four Flicks DVD
2004 Live Licks
2005 A Bigger Bang and tour for three calendar years; Rarities
2007 The Biggest Bang DVD
2008 Shine A Light movie, DVD, Blu-ray and live album
You forgot 1990: Japanese Steel Wheels tour & European Urban Jungle tour.
Re: The Stones ruled the 1990's.
Posted by:
DragonSky
()
Date: July 31, 2011 19:25
Alright.
1990 Japan Steel Wheels "tour", Urban Jungle tour
1991 Flashpoint and Stones At The Max
1993 Jump Back - the kick off to the Virgin Reissues
1994 Voodoo Lounge and tour for two years
1995 Stripped
1997 Bridges To Babylon and tour for three calendar years
1999 No Security and tour, finished the Bridges UK tour
2002 Forty Licks and tour
2003 Licks Tour continues, Four Flicks DVD
2004 Live Licks
2005 A Bigger Bang and tour for three calendar years; Rarities
2007 The Biggest Bang DVD
2008 Shine A Light movie, DVD, Blu-ray and live album
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2011-07-31 19:33 by DragonSky.
1990 Japan Steel Wheels "tour", Urban Jungle tour
1991 Flashpoint and Stones At The Max
1993 Jump Back - the kick off to the Virgin Reissues
1994 Voodoo Lounge and tour for two years
1995 Stripped
1997 Bridges To Babylon and tour for three calendar years
1999 No Security and tour, finished the Bridges UK tour
2002 Forty Licks and tour
2003 Licks Tour continues, Four Flicks DVD
2004 Live Licks
2005 A Bigger Bang and tour for three calendar years; Rarities
2007 The Biggest Bang DVD
2008 Shine A Light movie, DVD, Blu-ray and live album
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2011-07-31 19:33 by DragonSky.
Re: The Stones ruled the 1990's.
Posted by:
theimposter
()
Date: July 31, 2011 19:29
If you compare the two sets that DragonSky lists, while they both look quite busy, I think the 1990's vs. the 2000's was more about productivity vs. product.
Re: The Stones ruled the 1990's.
Posted by:
DragonSky
()
Date: July 31, 2011 19:36
Yes. And with 2 LPs to 1, hardly a feat but at this point... that makes the Stones look very busy for the 1990s. Forget 1990-1993, with 1990 being the finish of what they started in 1989. The decade softly started for them in 1993 with the Virgin reissues being properly remastered but it really started in 1994 with the Voodoo LP and tour, which got great hype and there was a lot of interest for that tour.
Re: The Stones ruled the 1990's.
Posted by:
Sleepy City
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Date: July 31, 2011 19:49
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DragonSky
Forget 1990-1993, with 1990 being the finish of what they started in 1989.
Maybe as the RS, though of course both Mick & Keith released solo albums & played live.
Re: The Stones ruled the 1990's.
Posted by:
buffalo7478
()
Date: July 31, 2011 20:33
I can't say they rules the 90s. It was a good decade with 2 good tours - Voodoo Lounge in Toronto was amazing.
But loads of other bands really overtook them as rock came back in a big way after the 80s. Stripped seemed to be a response to MYV Unplugged. Though it seems it was a labor for them to get material to release from what I have read. I love the release, but more like they were following the market vs leading it. Nor did it sell all that well.
By the end of the decade they were starting to not sell tickets like they had in previous decades. Stadiums were under-capacity instead of instant sell outs in the US. Here in Buffalo, they sold out and arena show and am 80,000 seat stadium in 75. Sold out the stadium again in 78 and 81. By 1997 it was only half-full.
While I liked the output of the decade, it kind of showed the band beginning to slip a bit from the crazy heights that they had been at with sales.
I am hoping for a great 2012.
But loads of other bands really overtook them as rock came back in a big way after the 80s. Stripped seemed to be a response to MYV Unplugged. Though it seems it was a labor for them to get material to release from what I have read. I love the release, but more like they were following the market vs leading it. Nor did it sell all that well.
By the end of the decade they were starting to not sell tickets like they had in previous decades. Stadiums were under-capacity instead of instant sell outs in the US. Here in Buffalo, they sold out and arena show and am 80,000 seat stadium in 75. Sold out the stadium again in 78 and 81. By 1997 it was only half-full.
While I liked the output of the decade, it kind of showed the band beginning to slip a bit from the crazy heights that they had been at with sales.
I am hoping for a great 2012.
Re: The Stones ruled the 1990's.
Posted by:
mickjagger1009
()
Date: July 31, 2011 21:01
I agree... the Stones most under-rated decade... easily. I enjoy watching my DVD's of those tours as much as any Stones material.
"You'll be studying history and you'll be down the gym. And I'll be down the pub, probably playing pool and drinking."
"You'll be studying history and you'll be down the gym. And I'll be down the pub, probably playing pool and drinking."
Re: The Stones ruled the 1990's.
Posted by:
theimposter
()
Date: July 31, 2011 21:10
Great point Sleepy City. In addition to all the band activity, we had solo albums and tours from both Mick and Keith. Not to mention the videos of LIS, OOT, ABSMB and SOM from the Voodoo and Bridges albums were in fairly heavy rotation in MTV.
Re: The Stones ruled the 1990's.
Posted by:
marko
()
Date: July 31, 2011 21:32
Also Ronnie did a solo album,very fine one.Charlie released album too.
1990 Urban jungle+japan
1991 flaspoint+2 new songs,Ode to high flying bird
1992 Wandering spirit,Main offender,slide on this
1993 Jumb back
1994 Voodoo lounge album+tour+Virgin remasters
1995 voodoo tour continued+stripped album
1996 Rock n roll cirkus released
1997 Bridges album+tour
1998 Bridges tour continued
1999 No security tour+BTB tour pt.3+No security cd
so there wasn´t really any time off,1993 started Voodoo sessions and 1996 BTB sessions.
1990 Urban jungle+japan
1991 flaspoint+2 new songs,Ode to high flying bird
1992 Wandering spirit,Main offender,slide on this
1993 Jumb back
1994 Voodoo lounge album+tour+Virgin remasters
1995 voodoo tour continued+stripped album
1996 Rock n roll cirkus released
1997 Bridges album+tour
1998 Bridges tour continued
1999 No security tour+BTB tour pt.3+No security cd
so there wasn´t really any time off,1993 started Voodoo sessions and 1996 BTB sessions.
Re: The Stones ruled the 1990's.
Posted by:
DragonSky
()
Date: July 31, 2011 22:24
Although we are in the first year of the Twentyteens, it's very likely we won't get anything more than whatever reissues with extras Mick can be bothered with and possibly one more hits comp, although at this point it's completely pointless.
As a big international touring band that ruled the world, they've done it - over and over again. They may not have 'ruled' in the 1990s as far as relevance and vitality of being fresh, vibrant, new etc but they still had two well attended and hyped tours that were huge and seemed to work well for the band and the band's brand. They had finally matured. Licks was sort of a night cap even though the basically ignored what they did in the 1990s compared to other decades.
They are now beyond that. And not capable.
As a big international touring band that ruled the world, they've done it - over and over again. They may not have 'ruled' in the 1990s as far as relevance and vitality of being fresh, vibrant, new etc but they still had two well attended and hyped tours that were huge and seemed to work well for the band and the band's brand. They had finally matured. Licks was sort of a night cap even though the basically ignored what they did in the 1990s compared to other decades.
They are now beyond that. And not capable.
Re: The Stones ruled the 1990's.
Posted by:
theimposter
()
Date: July 31, 2011 22:56
Said it before and I will say it again - they should have called it a day with the Licks tour. Would have been a wonderful feather in their cap after the hugely successful 90's.
Re: The Stones ruled the 1990's.
Posted by:
Sleepy City
()
Date: July 31, 2011 22:59
Quote
theimposter
Said it before and I will say it again - they should have called it a day with the Licks tour. Would have been a wonderful feather in their cap after the hugely successful 90's.
Definitely not...
I think the biggest "problem" since the VL tour is that they toured a little too regularly, so (to the media at least) every tour was "just another Stones tour". If another tour happens it will be at least 5 years since the last one, so I think interest will be at it's highest for nearly 2 decades.
Re: The Stones ruled the 1990's.
Posted by:
DragonSky
()
Date: July 31, 2011 23:29
I agree. The Licks tour would have been the best way to finish up. They played pretty damn good, they pulled out a lot of songs they hadn't played in years along with some that hadn't ever been played, and they still had their integrity intact as far as being an interesting band strictly in regards to their music.
They celebrated their legacy basically.
They celebrated their legacy basically.
Re: The Stones ruled the 1990's.
Posted by:
Sipuncula
()
Date: August 1, 2011 06:28
The '90s were the salad days of my Stones fandom, for sure. Now I am reduced to reading discussions about what kind of salad dressing each member of the band best resembles. For the record, I think Ronnie's face looks kind of like an iceberg wedge with blue cheese dressing if you squint really hard.
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Re: The Stones ruled the 1990's.
Posted by:
ryanpow
()
Date: August 1, 2011 06:34
It was an exciting time for stones fans but I wouldn't say they ruled the decade. They played to their niche. they ruled the 60's and early 70's. and Made a vailliant comeback in 1978 with the some girls ablum that came close to it.
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Re: The Stones ruled the 1990's.
Posted by:
MileHigh
()
Date: August 1, 2011 07:14
I am going to guess the last tour that completely sold out was 1981-82. By the second half of the 90s some shows were obviously not sold out. (I assume some experts around here could back up that statement.)
As a long-time Stones fan, I even felt a tiny bit wounded to read that some shows did not sell out. It seemed unthinkable.
In the present, if they ever toured again I think there is a chance for an unhappy surprise. Their fans are too old to want to bother to go to see their shows. (Remember, I am not talking about the people on this board, I am talking about the "regular" fans.)
And the new generation? It's not "Generation X," that's early 90s. Probably better to call them "Generation Z." They were too young for the B2B tour!
The new generation will not be drawn to see them in big numbers. To them they are a bunch of old men that never had a hit in their lifetimes.
The Rolling Stones have out-aged their fan base. I have serious doubts about a major 2012 tour, even if everybody was in shape. (Except for South America! lol)
If they actually played in 2012, which is doubtful, they should only play the biggest cities and play four or five arena shows in each city. Forget the giant stadiums altogether.
Thanks Mick and the boys. If you did nothing and just retired into your own comfortable niches I would be happy.
I do not want to see a 70-year-old Mick Jagger jumping around on a giant stadium stage. Beyond the uncomfortableness of the thought, it's also a reminder that I'm not getting any younger myself.
MileHigh
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As a long-time Stones fan, I even felt a tiny bit wounded to read that some shows did not sell out. It seemed unthinkable.
In the present, if they ever toured again I think there is a chance for an unhappy surprise. Their fans are too old to want to bother to go to see their shows. (Remember, I am not talking about the people on this board, I am talking about the "regular" fans.)
And the new generation? It's not "Generation X," that's early 90s. Probably better to call them "Generation Z." They were too young for the B2B tour!
The new generation will not be drawn to see them in big numbers. To them they are a bunch of old men that never had a hit in their lifetimes.
The Rolling Stones have out-aged their fan base. I have serious doubts about a major 2012 tour, even if everybody was in shape. (Except for South America! lol)
If they actually played in 2012, which is doubtful, they should only play the biggest cities and play four or five arena shows in each city. Forget the giant stadiums altogether.
Thanks Mick and the boys. If you did nothing and just retired into your own comfortable niches I would be happy.
I do not want to see a 70-year-old Mick Jagger jumping around on a giant stadium stage. Beyond the uncomfortableness of the thought, it's also a reminder that I'm not getting any younger myself.
MileHigh
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Re: The Stones ruled the 1990's.
Posted by:
Sleepy City
()
Date: August 1, 2011 10:30
Quote
ryanpow
It was an exciting time for stones fans but I wouldn't say they ruled the decade. They played to their niche. they ruled the 60's and early 70's. and Made a vailliant comeback in 1978 with the some girls ablum that came close to it.
All this BS about them "coming back" in 1978 makes it sound like they disappeared between EOMS & SG. Fool To Cry was a number 6 UK hit, while Miss You was number 3, hardly a great difference...
Re: The Stones ruled the 1990's.
Posted by:
Silver Dagger
()
Date: August 1, 2011 12:18
They may have ruled the 90s as a touring band but that was the era they died as a rock band IMO. Instead of at least half an album of classic songs we were lucky if we got three or four. All that four to the floor filler pap - they'd run out of ideas.
Re: The Stones ruled the 1990's.
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
()
Date: August 1, 2011 13:42
Quote
DragonSky
Alright.
1990 Japan Steel Wheels "tour", Urban Jungle tour
1991 Flashpoint and Stones At The Max
1993 Jump Back - the kick off to the Virgin Reissues
1994 Voodoo Lounge and tour for two years
1995 Stripped
1995 Voodoo Lounge VHS release from Miami 1994
1997 Bridges To Babylon and tour for three calendar years
1998 B2B DVD from St. Louis 1997
1999 No Security and tour, finished the Bridges UK tour
With the four solo albums from Ronnie, Keith, Mick and Charlie this decade shows a far superior creative output than what they had to offer in the 2000s, imo.
2002 Forty Licks and tour
2003 Licks Tour continues, Four Flicks DVD
2004 Live Licks
2005 A Bigger Bang and tour for three calendar years; Rarities
2007 The Biggest Bang DVD
2008 Shine A Light movie, DVD, Blu-ray and live album
Re: The Stones ruled the 1990's.
Posted by:
Sleepy City
()
Date: August 1, 2011 17:27
Quote
DandelionPowdermanQuote
DragonSky
Alright.
1990 Japan Steel Wheels "tour", Urban Jungle tour
1991 Flashpoint and Stones At The Max
1993 Jump Back - the kick off to the Virgin Reissues
1994 Voodoo Lounge and tour for two years
1995 Stripped
1995 Voodoo Lounge VHS release from Miami 1994
1997 Bridges To Babylon and tour for three calendar years
1998 B2B DVD from St. Louis 1997
1999 No Security and tour, finished the Bridges UK tour
With the four solo albums from Ronnie, Keith, Mick and Charlie this decade shows a far superior creative output than what they had to offer in the 2000s, imo.
2002 Forty Licks and tour
2003 Licks Tour continues, Four Flicks DVD
2004 Live Licks
2005 A Bigger Bang and tour for three calendar years; Rarities
2007 The Biggest Bang DVD
2008 Shine A Light movie, DVD, Blu-ray and live album
Don't forget that Mick also had a solo album in 2001 though, as well the Alfie soundtrack in 2004. So Mick at least was very busy up until 2007.
Re: The Stones ruled the 1990's.
Posted by:
georgelicks
()
Date: August 2, 2011 00:35
Quote
Sleepy CityQuote
ryanpow
It was an exciting time for stones fans but I wouldn't say they ruled the decade. They played to their niche. they ruled the 60's and early 70's. and Made a vailliant comeback in 1978 with the some girls ablum that came close to it.
All this BS about them "coming back" in 1978 makes it sound like they disappeared between EOMS & SG. Fool To Cry was a number 6 UK hit, while Miss You was number 3, hardly a great difference...
Yep, but SG sold 10+ million copies worldwide, more than GHS, IORR, MITS, B&B and LYL COMBINED.
Re: The Stones ruled the 1990's.
Posted by:
lem motlow
()
Date: August 2, 2011 00:57
i totally agree....think about that-
the rolling stones were the most successful touring act in music during the decade of the 1990's
our band,the rolling stones owned the live music business for the entire decade.there is no wiggle room for the naysayers or debate,they freakin owned it.
1990,1994 and 1995. 1997,1998.and they finished with what was for me, the best i saw the band play since 75 the no security tour in 1999.
its funny theimposter started this thread because i was just thinking about this same thing the other day.can anyone name a band or hell,just an act,i dont care if you use the barnum and bailey circus,anyone who has come close to what the stones did in the 90's
it took U2 until this year just to surpass the voodoo lounge tour.we bitch about everything they do,i think we should just throw our band a little credit on this one.
the rolling stones were the most successful touring act in music during the decade of the 1990's
our band,the rolling stones owned the live music business for the entire decade.there is no wiggle room for the naysayers or debate,they freakin owned it.
1990,1994 and 1995. 1997,1998.and they finished with what was for me, the best i saw the band play since 75 the no security tour in 1999.
its funny theimposter started this thread because i was just thinking about this same thing the other day.can anyone name a band or hell,just an act,i dont care if you use the barnum and bailey circus,anyone who has come close to what the stones did in the 90's
it took U2 until this year just to surpass the voodoo lounge tour.we bitch about everything they do,i think we should just throw our band a little credit on this one.
Re: The Stones ruled the 1990's.
Posted by:
ryanpow
()
Date: August 2, 2011 04:39
Quote
georgelicksQuote
Sleepy CityQuote
ryanpow
It was an exciting time for stones fans but I wouldn't say they ruled the decade. They played to their niche. they ruled the 60's and early 70's. and Made a vailliant comeback in 1978 with the some girls ablum that came close to it.
All this BS about them "coming back" in 1978 makes it sound like they disappeared between EOMS & SG. Fool To Cry was a number 6 UK hit, while Miss You was number 3, hardly a great difference...
Yep, but SG sold 10+ million copies worldwide, more than GHS, IORR, MITS, B&B and LYL COMBINED.
they certianly did not go away from 73-77 but I think in 78 they tapped into something they hadn't beeen able to since EOMS.
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