Yeah, I konw this collection has problems - especially "Rocks Off" - but "Can't You Hear Me Knockin'" is brilliant. Just one man's opinion. A few other gems mixed in there too.

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It really is as good a live version as they played on that tour. Mick sings very well and Charlie is on the money. Keith is fine, even if a little rough around the edges. My issue is the obviously dubbed in second guitar during the verses. Listen to the Wiltern audience recording and you'll hear Ronnie playing something different. The second guitar here sounds (to me anyway) like it's also in open G, and I doubt it is Ronnie - or Keith for that matter. My guess it is Pierre doing an overdub, countering Keith's live riffs. I am glad they chose this version, however, and not the one from MSG - which was kind of flat.

Agreed, a great version, but like all these DVD's etc overdubbing gives a false sense of the performance. Talking about ovedubs, if you consider how many live albums they've done and dvds it rare that you hear anone talking of them going back into the studio to record the overdubs. I think I'v just about read most Stones related books and I can't remember ever reading anything about doing overdubs. Now is this simply cos it's just so boring they don't think it worth a mention, or they have an unwritten rule that they don't mention overdubbing, or that they don't do them and session players do them...I bet one of you either has the answer or a strong opinion on it!

similar to Sway, it was one of those "be careful what you wish for" songs...kudos for trying, but....

It doesn't even come close to the original in my opinion - like most songs on disc two of Live Licks.

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Agreed, a great version, but like all these DVD's etc overdubbing gives a false sense of the performance. Talking about ovedubs, if you consider how many live albums they've done and dvds it rare that you hear anone talking of them going back into the studio to record the overdubs. I think I'v just about read most Stones related books and I can't remember ever reading anything about doing overdubs. Now is this simply cos it's just so boring they don't think it worth a mention, or they have an unwritten rule that they don't mention overdubbing, or that they don't do them and session players do them...I bet one of you either has the answer or a strong opinion on it!

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Yeah, I konw this collection has problems - especially "Rocks Off" - but "Can't You Hear Me Knockin'" is brilliant. Just one man's opinion. A few other gems mixed in there too.

Worst ever stones live CD, the sound is terrible.

I T R O C K S \m/

I like this album very much. Great live versions of most of the songs

What I don´t like in it:
The chopped Rocks Off
The sound is a bit loud (is it compression?)

I prefer the analog recordings.

It's acually pretty awfull, right? About everything is wrong about it -Keith doesn't have a clue about the riff, Wood's solo is out of tune, the fake conga's, the disco bass, Charlie's not grooving at all.

This is one of those tracks they should not have touched. Like Sway.

Mathijs

Sorry, I actually like it.

Great rhythm playing by Pierre, some nice harp from Mick and Bobby does a decent job. I've heard better versions.

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Sorry, I actually like it.

Me too. Don't be sorry Elmo. F*ck the naysayers. It rocks.

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Sorry, I actually like it.

Me too. Don't be sorry Elmo. F*ck the naysayers. It rocks.

i'm a naysayer - your place or mine, kent?

I agree that the LL does not include one of the best takes of Knocking, that Pierre's overdub is somehow disturbing (and not necessary), I also think that if I am available to play congas on the next Stones tour for free - it can't be too difficoult to find a percussionist in flesh and bones to do the job instead of sampled sounds, THAT SAID, during the licks tour Knocking was at least decent on bad nights excellent most of the times.

Completely different feel than the original. More laid back. One has to get used to it. But its normal that songs grow with the player.

Gotta disagree with Mathijs on Darryl's job (I find it truly superb!) and on Ronnie's solo (again, most of the time superb, although always on the verge of turning into a complete trainwrek).

Then we can discuss a recording as much as we want, but I can remember the first time I heard it at the MSG (the concert that eneded up on LiveLix) and the house was blown away by the energy! Same all the other 4/5 times I saw it played.

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I agree that the LL does not include one of the best takes of Knocking, that Pierre's overdub is somehow disturbing (and not necessary), I also think that if I am available to play congas on the next Stones tour for free - it can't be too difficoult to find a percussionist in flesh and bones to do the job instead of sampled sounds, THAT SAID, during the licks tour Knocking was at least decent on bad nights excellent most of the times.C

my memory may have faded on this - but isn't the LL version of the song from the Wiltern show? if so, then jim keltner was there for this song...as the added percussionist...

but we're listening to a recording of Keltner playing percussion so it is pre-recorded until they release live albums in real time, none of this is acceptable to True Fans.

I dont know guys..I saw em in Atlanta and Nashville on the Licks tour...i thought the song was hot..the excitement of hearing it had the crowd going crazy both times.Of course not as sleazy as the original but good enough as a in person experience.

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Who is Pierre?

"You'll be studying history and you'll be down the gym. And I'll be down the pub, probably playing pool and drinking."

Pierre de Beauport, Keith's guitar tech and good friend (gets a co-writing credit on "Thief in the Night" and even has production and engineering credits on a few tracks), Stones conspiracy theorists believe Pierre plays in the studio and Blondie plays on stage while Keith and Ronnie pose. This runs in the face of the complaints about the poor quality of Keith and Ronnie's playing from the same folks but conspiracy theorists are fun that way.

Rocky, I am no "conspiracy theorist". But how can you deny Blondie plays on stage when it's captured on VIDEO in Biggest Bang and Shine a Light?

Besides, that wasn't my point anyway. I said earlier I imagine it's either Keith or Pierre playing the second guitar on CYHMK from Live Licks because it's somebody who seems to have Keith's style down really well. And yes, I know it is overdubbed because I have the Wiltern show on a bootleg recording and the second guitar (which is Ronnie for sure) is clearly different there.

I was generalizing, not just referring to your post. For me, I think Blondie mainly plays an acoustic. I would say it's possible that Pierre did the overdub, but I do tend to think fans (in general) exaggerate the extent of the contributions of either Blondie or Pierre on guitar. Your example of suggesting the overdubs on the verses are Pierre would not be the same as the belief that others have that Pierre is overdubbing Keith's entire guitar part on a particular track or that Blondie is playing Keith's riffs onstage so that Keith can pose or because he's physically unable to play. Is Blondie filling out the sound and compensating for the number of notes that used to be played by Keith and Ronnie alone? Absolutely. If he was doing more than filling out the sound, we wouldn't have the half-assed performances we had over the last tour. Is it possible Pierre does touch-up's in the studio? Sure, but I doubt it's anything other than touch-up's or fills. Again, you didn't suggest it was so sorry you took it personal.

Oh no worries man, I didn't take it personally, I just thought you were honestly implying you didn't believe Blondie plays on stage with them. Agreed, I think he merely fills out the sound as you said, but on the ABB tour he was seen pretty frequently playing a Les Paul, as opposed to the acoustic he played on the Licks tour. It made me wonder sometimes if that driving rhythm in songs like "She's So Cold" was actually him and not K&R.

Like I said, no conspiracy to me about it - I think Keith and Ron utilize Blondie and Pierre more than they care to admit and it's a little frustrating they deny it even with such obvious proof.

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Agreed, a great version, but like all these DVD's etc overdubbing gives a false sense of the performance. Talking about ovedubs, if you consider how many live albums they've done and dvds it rare that you hear anone talking of them going back into the studio to record the overdubs. I think I'v just about read most Stones related books and I can't remember ever reading anything about doing overdubs. Now is this simply cos it's just so boring they don't think it worth a mention, or they have an unwritten rule that they don't mention overdubbing, or that they don't do them and session players do them...I bet one of you either has the answer or a strong opinion on it!

Not really the sort of thing that would be discussed in too many books, but its well enough documented and proven that almost every Stones live album (as well as the Biggest Bang DVD box set) contain substantial overdubbing as well as a lot of editing.

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Agreed, a great version, but like all these DVD's etc overdubbing gives a false sense of the performance. Talking about ovedubs, if you consider how many live albums they've done and dvds it rare that you hear anone talking of them going back into the studio to record the overdubs. I think I'v just about read most Stones related books and I can't remember ever reading anything about doing overdubs. Now is this simply cos it's just so boring they don't think it worth a mention, or they have an unwritten rule that they don't mention overdubbing, or that they don't do them and session players do them...I bet one of you either has the answer or a strong opinion on it!

Not really the sort of thing that would be discussed in too many books, but its well enough documented and proven that almost every Stones live album (as well as the Biggest Bang DVD box set) contain substantial overdubbing as well as a lot of editing.

Most of the dubbing on Ya-Ya's has been identified as vocals dubs, though, right? Didn't Chris M. do substantial research as to the sources and overdubs? My recollection is that the guitars were not overdubbed very much at all on Ya-Ya's.

Also, re: the Blondie conspiracy theorists...I can only comment on what I've personally seen and heard, and for sure in 2003, January 21, in Chicago, at United Center, in the middle of Before They Make Me Run, there is a super-tasty electric guitar lick that is all Blondie Chaplin. That's about as precise as I can get as for directing anyone to the who/what/when/ if anyone wants one specific example of his electric guitar contributions.

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Agreed, a great version, but like all these DVD's etc overdubbing gives a false sense of the performance. Talking about ovedubs, if you consider how many live albums they've done and dvds it rare that you hear anone talking of them going back into the studio to record the overdubs. I think I'v just about read most Stones related books and I can't remember ever reading anything about doing overdubs. Now is this simply cos it's just so boring they don't think it worth a mention, or they have an unwritten rule that they don't mention overdubbing, or that they don't do them and session players do them...I bet one of you either has the answer or a strong opinion on it!

Not really the sort of thing that would be discussed in too many books, but its well enough documented and proven that almost every Stones live album (as well as the Biggest Bang DVD box set) contain substantial overdubbing as well as a lot of editing.

Got Live (well, live), Ya Ya's, Love You Live and Still Life are edited, but as far as known there's no substantial overdubbing except for the lead vocals. Flashpoint is the first live album with substantial overdubbing, and live material from 2000 on are overdubbed by other guitarists than Wood and Richards.

Mathijs

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similar to Sway, it was one of those "be careful what you wish for" songs...kudos for trying, but....

At least Mick delivers with energy instead of just wallowing his way through it.

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My issue is the obviously dubbed in second guitar during the verses. Listen to the Wiltern audience recording and you'll hear Ronnie playing something different. The second guitar here sounds (to me anyway) like it's also in open G, and I doubt it is Ronnie - or Keith for that matter. My guess it is Pierre doing an overdub, countering Keith's live riffs.

Wow! I never noticed until reading this. You're right about one thing - is sure the hell isn't Ronnie. The tone completely changes. It sounds like it's from another show and they just flew it in.

Or the more obvious, an overdub by Keith or Pierre. It has the rumbly lateness of Keith more than anything.

When it gets to the chorus though it sounds to me like it's back to Ronnie. Wonder why the hell they did that. Although somewhere in it it goes back to sounding like that second verse and then one more rumble from Ronnie at the very end?

Hilarious. One more thing to dissect of the Stones.

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Agreed, a great version, but like all these DVD's etc overdubbing gives a false sense of the performance. Talking about ovedubs, if you consider how many live albums they've done and dvds it rare that you hear anone talking of them going back into the studio to record the overdubs. I think I'v just about read most Stones related books and I can't remember ever reading anything about doing overdubs. Now is this simply cos it's just so boring they don't think it worth a mention, or they have an unwritten rule that they don't mention overdubbing, or that they don't do them and session players do them...I bet one of you either has the answer or a strong opinion on it!

Not really the sort of thing that would be discussed in too many books, but its well enough documented and proven that almost every Stones live album (as well as the Biggest Bang DVD box set) contain substantial overdubbing as well as a lot of editing.

Got Live (well, live), Ya Ya's, Love You Live and Still Life are edited, but as far as known there's no substantial overdubbing except for the lead vocals. Flashpoint is the first live album with substantial overdubbing, and live material from 2000 on are overdubbed by other guitarists than Wood and Richards.

Mathijs

I would call the back up vocals Keith did on LYL quite substantial.