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VoodooLounge13
I've always fancied it. Don't Call Me up is great, but Everyone Getting High is my favorite. Never understood the abuse it takes, but then I've never thought that Talk is Cheap is superior to Mean Offender either......
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mickschix
I know that everything is subjective and in the end it's all about personal taste but I don't GET how anyone can't like at least a FEW Tracks on this cd! MAIN OFFENDER and TALK IS CHEAP are really favored over GODDESS!?? I just don't get that.
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mickschix
Well that's a fact ! So the real truth here is Keith lovers can't like a Mick solo cd and vice versa? If I honestly liked Keith's solo cds I would say so. I know I do lay it on a bit heavy when comparing Keith to Mick but I do it to get reactions more than anything, and it usually works. I think that Keith's solo work is very Stones-like except the vocals are bad and the lyrics not so good. Mick's solo cds are perhaps too unlike the Stones music to appeal to some Stones fans.
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Ruby Friday
No problem with that..I love the album, not my favoritt, but still a decent good one, Micks second best solo album,
but the picture on the cover ? I think Mick looks very young again ! The man can't be over his 30 ties !
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No problem with that..I love the album, not my favoritt, but still a decent good one, Micks second best solo album,
but the picture on the cover ? I think Mick looks very young again ! The man can't be over his 30 ties !
Haha...yes I remember seeing the album for the first time, and the covershot is very flattering; to say the least.
So nobody will remark on the chorus-es of
Dont Call Me Up
Dont Tear me Up
Already over Me ?
I would even add "Blinded by Rainbows" in there. You can even forget about the chords; it doesn't matter. It is the very same pattern, rhythm.
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mickschix
Well that's a fact ! So the real truth here is Keith lovers can't like a Mick solo cd and vice versa? If I honestly liked Keith's solo cds I would say so. I know I do lay it on a bit heavy when comparing Keith to Mick but I do it to get reactions more than anything, and it usually works. I think that Keith's solo work is very Stones-like except the vocals are bad and the lyrics not so good. Mick's solo cds are perhaps too unlike the Stones music to appeal to some Stones fans.
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mickschix
Well that's a fact ! So the real truth here is Keith lovers can't like a Mick solo cd and vice versa? If I honestly liked Keith's solo cds I would say so. I know I do lay it on a bit heavy when comparing Keith to Mick but I do it to get reactions more than anything, and it usually works. I think that Keith's solo work is very Stones-like except the vocals are bad and the lyrics not so good. Mick's solo cds are perhaps too unlike the Stones music to appeal to some Stones fans.
Well, no, I like the solo albums of both Keith and Mick, but I do agree that Keith's are much more in the Stones vein than Mick's - similar I guess to the battle they fight each time they try and record a Stones record: Keith wants rock, Mick always wants to go with seems to be trending....
I love Wandering Spirit and Goddess comes in second, and I do love me some Primitive Cool! She's the Boss, for me, is the only Mick album that I generally skip. As for Keith's few albums, Main Offender blows away Talk Is Cheap, IMO, and when comparing the best of the solo output, I think Main Offender outdoes Wandering Spirit, but that's just my taste. That's all that I was trying to say really. To me, Main Offender is the warm up for Voodoo Lounge, and I absolutely LOVE it. There is probably no solo album that gets played as much as that one. In fact, speaking of Blondie, his Between Us album probably ranks second in terms of # of plays at my house - I absolutely LOVE that album as well. A really phenomenal album, start to finish!!
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Can't follow you on Main Offender being better than Talk Is Cheap, though. MO is too uneven, imo. However, the best songs on MO are probably of a higher level than that of TIC.
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liddas
The main issue I have with Mick's solo works is how they sound. Goddess is no exception.
Keith's work shows a huge attention to details. The layers of guitars, the dynamics, the arrangements, the room, the amps etc. When he can't do something himself, he hires musicians who care, whith a history that gives a sense of purpose to the addition, and let them do their thing. The results - soundwise - are always nothing less than stunning.
Mick's focus must be somewhere else. The big names that appear in the credits remain big names in the credits. Their contribution is nothing more than what any session man could do. She's the Boss has a stellar lineup, but it sounds just like 1,000 other works of the time. It lacks guts. There was a boot of a rehearsal between Jagger, Beck, Whimbish and can't remember who else, the one with Gangster Moll. Unpolished, each musician had his own set up, the set up they crafted, that represent what they love in music. The result was PERSONALITY. All whased away from the final Primitive Cool ...
Goddess is even worse, because it is mostly a computer job. Computers are great for electronic music, but they are shit in a rock and roll context. I mean, just compare Jagger's tone on Stop Breaking Down, Sway, Fingerprint File, even the recent ABB ... with the awful plastic sounds of God Gave Me ...
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liddas
The main issue I have with Mick's solo works is how they sound. Goddess is no exception.
Keith's work shows a huge attention to details. The layers of guitars, the dynamics, the arrangements, the room, the amps etc. When he can't do something himself, he hires musicians who care, whith a history that gives a sense of purpose to the addition, and let them do their thing. The results - soundwise - are always nothing less than stunning.
Mick's focus must be somewhere else. The big names that appear in the credits remain big names in the credits. Their contribution is nothing more than what any session man could do. She's the Boss has a stellar lineup, but it sounds just like 1,000 other works of the time. It lacks guts. There was a boot of a rehearsal between Jagger, Beck, Whimbish and can't remember who else, the one with Gangster Moll. Unpolished, each musician had his own set up, the set up they crafted, that represent what they love in music. The result was PERSONALITY. All whased away from the final Primitive Cool ...
Goddess is even worse, because it is mostly a computer job. Computers are great for electronic music, but they are shit in a rock and roll context. I mean, just compare Jagger's tone on Stop Breaking Down, Sway, Fingerprint File, even the recent ABB ... with the awful plastic sounds of God Gave Me ...
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The problems with some of Jagger's solo work are well understood. There are also quite a few stellar moments but the dislike for Jagger is so intense on this board and so well chronicled by a handful of frequent posters that at this point, it is not even worth reasonably debating what is good and what is bad with respect to Jagger's solo work. For the most part there are brilliant moments, some truly execrable ones and some mediocrity.
In terms of Keith's solo work, there is nothing that suggests any attention to detail. Au contraire, they sound like the work of a complete amateur. He released two albums worth of outtakes - between the 2 albums there are a handful of unfinished gems. There are no stellar moments though some excellent half baked ideas still in the oven; the output reveals that he has no ability to create or develop a song. Then there is his god awful singing (if that's what it's called). His albums clarify that for Keith, playing guitar has been a hobby since 73. He simply has not worked on his skills or attempted to develop or extend either his playing or his song writing and composing skills.
Jagger's solo albums point to all the things Jagger is capable of and can do well. They also point to what Jagger should not do. His solo albums provide an adequate summary of who Jagger is - a frustrating "works-in progress" despite ~ 50 years in the music industry; some one who vacillates from brilliance to appalling. Even in his assessment of Jagger, Keith, in his typical half-assed fashion, got it only partially right with respect to Jagger - Jagger lost that feeling that was so appealing but not completely - there are still hints of it everywhere.
Keith's albums point to his insufficient ability and all the things that he is incapable of doing and cannot do - create and develop complete songs that go beyond a recycled riff. He efforts show no commitment or dedication to completion. Jagger in his assessment of Keith, got it fully right. Richards does things by halves. Keith's albums also amply demonstrate who Richards is - a half baked rhythm guitarist.
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liddas
The main issue I have with Mick's solo works is how they sound. Goddess is no exception.
Keith's work shows a huge attention to details. The layers of guitars, the dynamics, the arrangements, the room, the amps etc. When he can't do something himself, he hires musicians who care, whith a history that gives a sense of purpose to the addition, and let them do their thing. The results - soundwise - are always nothing less than stunning.
Mick's focus must be somewhere else. The big names that appear in the credits remain big names in the credits. Their contribution is nothing more than what any session man could do. She's the Boss has a stellar lineup, but it sounds just like 1,000 other works of the time. It lacks guts. There was a boot of a rehearsal between Jagger, Beck, Whimbish and can't remember who else, the one with Gangster Moll. Unpolished, each musician had his own set up, the set up they crafted, that represent what they love in music. The result was PERSONALITY. All whased away from the final Primitive Cool ...
Goddess is even worse, because it is mostly a computer job. Computers are great for electronic music, but they are shit in a rock and roll context. I mean, just compare Jagger's tone on Stop Breaking Down, Sway, Fingerprint File, even the recent ABB ... with the awful plastic sounds of God Gave Me ...
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The problems with some of Jagger's solo work are well understood. There are also quite a few stellar moments but the dislike for Jagger is so intense on this board and so well chronicled by a handful of frequent posters that at this point, it is not even worth reasonably debating what is good and what is bad with respect to Jagger's solo work. For the most part there are brilliant moments, some truly execrable ones and some mediocrity.
In terms of Keith's solo work, there is nothing that suggests any attention to detail. Au contraire, they sound like the work of a complete amateur. He released two albums worth of outtakes - between the 2 albums there are a handful of unfinished gems. There are no stellar moments though some excellent half baked ideas still in the oven; the output reveals that he has no ability to create or develop a song. Then there is his god awful singing (if that's what it's called). His albums clarify that for Keith, playing guitar has been a hobby since 73. He simply has not worked on his skills or attempted to develop or extend either his playing or his song writing and composing skills.
Jagger's solo albums point to all the things Jagger is capable of and can do well. They also point to what Jagger should not do. His solo albums provide an adequate summary of who Jagger is - a frustrating "works-in progress" despite ~ 50 years in the music industry; some one who vacillates from brilliance to appalling. Even in his assessment of Jagger, Keith, in his typical half-assed fashion, got it only partially right with respect to Jagger - Jagger lost that feeling that was so appealing but not completely - there are still hints of it everywhere.
Keith's albums point to his insufficient ability and all the things that he is incapable of doing and cannot do - create and develop complete songs that go beyond a recycled riff. He efforts show no commitment or dedication to completion. Jagger in his assessment of Keith, got it fully right. Richards does things by halves. Keith's albums also amply demonstrate who Richards is - a half baked rhythm guitarist.
you know something? i think we oughta introduce this jagger guy to this richards dude and i'm wondering if between them they could use their respective strengths to produce something truly magical. maybe toss in a throw-back jazz-oriented drummer and a decent lead guitarist and a lyrical bass player?
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wanderingspirit66
In terms of Keith's solo work, there is nothing that suggests any attention to detail. Au contraire, they sound like the work of a complete amateur. He released two albums worth of outtakes - between the 2 albums there are a handful of unfinished gems. There are no stellar moments though some excellent half baked ideas still in the oven; the output reveals that he has no ability to create or develop a song. Then there is his god awful singing (if that's what it's called). His albums clarify that for Keith, playing guitar has been a hobby since 73. He simply has not worked on his skills or attempted to develop or extend either his playing or his song writing and composing skills.
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liddas
The main issue I have with Mick's solo works is how they sound. Goddess is no exception.
Keith's work shows a huge attention to details. The layers of guitars, the dynamics, the arrangements, the room, the amps etc. When he can't do something himself, he hires musicians who care, whith a history that gives a sense of purpose to the addition, and let them do their thing. The results - soundwise - are always nothing less than stunning.
Mick's focus must be somewhere else. The big names that appear in the credits remain big names in the credits. Their contribution is nothing more than what any session man could do. She's the Boss has a stellar lineup, but it sounds just like 1,000 other works of the time. It lacks guts. There was a boot of a rehearsal between Jagger, Beck, Whimbish and can't remember who else, the one with Gangster Moll. Unpolished, each musician had his own set up, the set up they crafted, that represent what they love in music. The result was PERSONALITY. All whased away from the final Primitive Cool ...
Goddess is even worse, because it is mostly a computer job. Computers are great for electronic music, but they are shit in a rock and roll context. I mean, just compare Jagger's tone on Stop Breaking Down, Sway, Fingerprint File, even the recent ABB ... with the awful plastic sounds of God Gave Me ...
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The problems with some of Jagger's solo work are well understood. There are also quite a few stellar moments but the dislike for Jagger is so intense on this board and so well chronicled by a handful of frequent posters that at this point, it is not even worth reasonably debating what is good and what is bad with respect to Jagger's solo work. For the most part there are brilliant moments, some truly execrable ones and some mediocrity.
In terms of Keith's solo work, there is nothing that suggests any attention to detail. Au contraire, they sound like the work of a complete amateur. He released two albums worth of outtakes - between the 2 albums there are a handful of unfinished gems. There are no stellar moments though some excellent half baked ideas still in the oven; the output reveals that he has no ability to create or develop a song. Then there is his god awful singing (if that's what it's called). His albums clarify that for Keith, playing guitar has been a hobby since 73. He simply has not worked on his skills or attempted to develop or extend either his playing or his song writing and composing skills.
Jagger's solo albums point to all the things Jagger is capable of and can do well. They also point to what Jagger should not do. His solo albums provide an adequate summary of who Jagger is - a frustrating "works-in progress" despite ~ 50 years in the music industry; some one who vacillates from brilliance to appalling. Even in his assessment of Jagger, Keith, in his typical half-assed fashion, got it only partially right with respect to Jagger - Jagger lost that feeling that was so appealing but not completely - there are still hints of it everywhere.
Keith's albums point to his insufficient ability and all the things that he is incapable of doing and cannot do - create and develop complete songs that go beyond a recycled riff. Lyrically, he continues to wallow in adolescent trappings. He efforts show no commitment or dedication to completion. Jagger in his assessment of Keith, got it fully right. Richards does things by halves. Keith's albums also amply demonstrate who Richards is - a half baked rhythm guitarist.