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James, my music playing friend, while you make some valid points, radio and the whole music biz has changed tons since Tattoo You came out. Some of these songs shoulda/coulda/woulda been hits in another era.

we'll never know, will we? the point that james raised remains spot-on...they've failed to keep up with the times, at a minimum....

Joe Gillis: You're Norma Desmond. You used to be in silent pictures. You used to be big.
Norma Desmond: I *am* big. It's the *pictures* that got small.

- 'Sunset Boulevard' William Holden (Joe) and Gloria Swanson (Norma)

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James, my music playing friend, while you make some valid points, radio and the whole music biz has changed tons since Tattoo You came out. Some of these songs shoulda/coulda/woulda been hits in another era.

we'll never know, will we? the point that james raised remains spot-on...they've failed to keep up with the times, at a minimum....

Joe Gillis: You're Norma Desmond. You used to be in silent pictures. You used to be big.
Norma Desmond: I *am* big. It's the *pictures* that got small.

Haha one of the best pictures, even an old swede in it..Anna q Nilsson I thinks. One of the old stars norma played cards with...

- 'Sunset Boulevard' William Holden (Joe) and Gloria Swanson (Norma)

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Trouble is too many concert-goers don't want to hear tracks cut after the early eighties.

The sea of blank faces one sees at their shows when they do play most-post '81 singles (single = song designed for radio play) is due to one reason... they aren't good singles, period...

Songs become hits when they leave impressions on many people with great hooks, lyrics, tunes that stay in your head, songs you crave hearing. The Stones, to be honest, have not succeeded in creating a true, bonafide hit since 1981...

the post-'81 stuff isn't played, because no one cares about it. No one cares about it because frankly, they're misfires, or 'failures' as 'singles'.

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Tod made a good point, Love is Strong, is very similar to Wicked As It Seems, never realised this previously, but went back and had another serious listen and you are on the mark with that at least.

Why is LIS similar to Wicked As It Seems, apart from the first G/A change in the intro. I've always wondered why people say that???

Listen to them back to back. Same riff, same chorus basically, and a similar tempo.

Part of the "weaving" is that they may have slaved amps, had several amps going at the same time and used different tracks throughout the mix. Or the obvious other possibility - a few overdubs.

The Bob Clearmountain remix if fantastic. All the other so called remixes are total crap. I like the tune. Live is stunk but it's a nice tune.

Fixed the video links. For some reason the 'copy' part of the link makes it youtu.be instead of how it used to be. I just copied the browser link:

Wicked As It Seems




Love Is Strong (Bob Clearmountain Remix)

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Yes, the riffage is completely utterly 100% different.

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OK, so the footage is out of sync with the audio, but this is tragic

That's what we call "under-rehearsed."

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OK, so the footage is out of sync with the audio, but this is tragic

That's what we call "under-rehearsed."

I was at that show, and as much as under rehearsed it might sound through youtube, it was really great to hear the song live!

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An absolutel Classic! It should have been even bigger than it was!! But I agree that it's not the last great Stones song that has all of the components to it.....there have been many since: Saint of Me, LowDown, Don't Stop, Rough Justice, Driving too Fast.

I know that the current incarnation and output gets flogged a lot on here, but quite honestly, if you look at their latter day output, they have put out some amazing stuff!! Absolutely stellar!! Of course, I do rank in the overwhelming MINORITY with my belief that VL is their best album ever, and ABB a close second, so maybe I'm just partial......

it's nice to be in the minority sometimes! this just wouldn't be one of those times....

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Yes, the riffage is completely utterly 100% different.

No open-G riff from Keith is completely utterly different. But imo a chord change from G to A and some noodling in G later on just isn't enough to back up your argument here.

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Yes, the riffage is completely utterly 100% different.

No open-G riff from Keith is completely utterly different. But imo a chord change from G to A and some noodling in G later on just isn't enough to back up your argument here.

I was being sarcastic. There are no other songs that sound so similar in the Keith cannon. Wicked and LIS are practically the same song. The first time I heard LIS I thought, ha ha - he stole Wicked As It Seems and turned it into a Stones song!

I was right.

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OK, so the footage is out of sync with the audio, but this is tragic

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Trouble is too many concert-goers don't want to hear tracks cut after the early eighties. A group that apparently includes a lot of ouur own number here.

How is this 'trouble'? The sea of blank faces one sees at their shows when they do play most-post '81 singles (single = song designed for radio play) is due to one reason... they aren't good singles, period. They don't resonate with most fans, never mind your average Joe/Jane Radio Listener.

Songs become hits when they leave impressions on many people with great hooks, lyrics, tunes that stay in your head, songs you crave hearing. The Stones, to be honest, have not succeeded in creating a true, bonafide hit since 1981. They've been in a kind of semi-denial that they've really been (artistically) a live nostalgia act since 1994, the year Love Is Strong came out.

There's a lot of 'apologist' or 'turd polish' attitudes about their latter work, and I've heard every reason under the sun from people here explaining why their current stuff should be regarded as modern classic stuff, but I know there's more than one here who will agree that it's this simple: the post-'81 stuff isn't played, because no one cares about it. No one cares about it because frankly, they're misfires, or 'failures' as 'singles'.

Would anyone other then a spotting of devotees, most of them right here in this forum care about another Love Is Strong or Rough Justice??

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By the way. How it is even possible that while a band makes the biggest grossing tours of all time, attented by millions, tour after other, they can't reach even #50 in the single charts with their new songs?

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OK, so the footage is out of sync with the audio, but this is tragic

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OK, so the footage is out of sync with the audio, but this is tragic

That's what we call "under-rehearsed."

I was at that show, and as much as under rehearsed it might sound through youtube, it was really great to hear the song live!

This version isn't bad at all, imo. However, the monitor mix has poorly balanced levels and is way too dry. Keith's Open-G chops is working nicely here, imo.