I have Bill Wyman's "The Stones: A history in cartoons", it's a cool little book that I was offered a while ago. Today I opened it and on page 79 it says:
NOVEMBER 1973.
'We took Ron (wood) along because, just as we were about to leave, Mick (Taylor) had to be treated for sinusitis" Mick jagger.

"Midway through November we went to Munich to record at the Musicland Studios with Andy Johns. Mick Taylor went down with a 'mystery' illness, and didn't arrive in Munich, so Ron Wood came along and played on one of the tracks. We finished and flew back to London on 25th of November." Bill Wyman.

I didn't know Ron was already on Rolling Stones material in 1973. I know the stones were frequent visitors of his recording studio The wick which was Ron's turf, but that he was flown with the band to record stones' music as early as 1973 is news to me. I wonder what song it was?
Rock and roll,
Mops

The song "It's Only Rock and Roll" is his first contribution, I think. Though Keith wiped his licks and replaced them with his own. Probably recorded in late 73.

And of course Wood had Jagger and Richards on some of his solo albums. There was a period in the early 70s when Wood played with a bunch of people like Clapton, Townshend, even David Bowie:







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I agree but that was recorded in 1974...But that was also the time that Ronnie was working
on his own solo album which Jagger, Keith and Mick Taylor helped with..

So I think Bill just has the date off....March of 74..

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I agree but that was recorded in 1974...But that was also the time that Ronnie was working
on his own solo album which Jagger, Keith and Mick Taylor helped with..

So I think Bill just has the date off....March of 74..

IORR recording dates:

December 1973 & April-May 1974
[timeisonourside.com]

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I agree but that was recorded in 1974...But that was also the time that Ronnie was working
on his own solo album which Jagger, Keith and Mick Taylor helped with..

So I think Bill just has the date off....March of 74..

IORR recording dates:

December 1973 & April-May 1974
[timeisonourside.com]

Regarding Timeisonourside, IORR was worked and recorded at the Wick.

Rock and roll,
Mops

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I agree but that was recorded in 1974...But that was also the time that Ronnie was working
on his own solo album which Jagger, Keith and Mick Taylor helped with..

So I think Bill just has the date off....March of 74..

IORR recording dates:

December 1973 & April-May 1974
[timeisonourside.com]

Don't take his site as gospel.

I know you know that, but just saying.

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I agree but that was recorded in 1974...But that was also the time that Ronnie was working
on his own solo album which Jagger, Keith and Mick Taylor helped with..

So I think Bill just has the date off....March of 74..

IORR recording dates:

December 1973 & April-May 1974
[timeisonourside.com]

Don't take his site as gospel.



I know you know that, but just saying.

After further research I found on James Barnbach's IORR some good info:
november13-24 1973 at Musicland Studios in Munich the stones played:
If you can rock me/ Ain't too pround to beg/Till the next goodbye etc..(IORR stuff) and Black Limousine a Jagger, Richards, wood song.
James doesn't mention that Ron was invited but he mentions that Mick Taylor was ill and not present for the sessions. My guess is that Ron played on "Black Linousine" because it's his song..
The stones started to work on the song IORR december 2 to 10 1973 regarding Barnbach.
Rock and roll,
Mops



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From nzentgraf.de:

731113A 13th - 24th November: Munich, West-Germany, Musicland Studios (without MT).
Producers: MJ & KR (The Glimmer Twins). Sound engineers: Keith Harwood and Andy Johns.
- Ain’t Too Proud To Beg I (Norman Whitfield/Eddie Holland) -Billy Preston on piano; unverified early version
- Black Limousine I (MJ/KR/RW) -with Ron Wood on guitar; early instrumental version (probably under title Broken Head Blues)
- Fingerprint File I (MJ/KR) -Billy Preston on clavinet, (Charlie) Jolly Kunjappu on tabla; unverified early version
- If You Can’t Rock Me I (MJ/KR) -Billy Preston on clavinet; unverified early version
- Slow Down And Stop (MJ/KR) -nearly instrumental
Note: Ron Wood was present for one night of the sessions.

731204A 4th - 6th December: MICK JAGGER & RON WOOD. London, The Wick, RW’s homestudio. Sound engineer: George Chkiantz.
- It’s Only Rock’n Roll I (MJ/KR) -unverified embryonic version
- instrumental jam ( ) -unverified
Line-up: MJ (voc, gtr)/RW (gtr, bass)/Kenny Jones (dr)/David Bowie (bvoc and/or handclaps)
Note: Apparently one more track was recorded, either ‘I Can Feel The Fire’ or a cover-version of a Curtis Mayfield-composition.
This basic track for It’s Only Rock’n Roll was transferred to multitrack at Olympic Sound Studios during early March 1974 by sound engineers George Chkiantz and Rod Thear.
Willie Weeks wasn't present at this session, he overdubbed his bass-part in Spring 1974 at Stargroves (MJ's house) in Newbury.

So would it be right to see the"Black Limousine" session" in Munich during november 1973 as Ronnie first session for the rolling stones? If Ron is flown by the stones to Germany to work on a rolling stones' track that is session work.
Rock and roll,
Mops

Yes---Woodie was at one session in November of 1973...

It’s Only Rock’n Roll --- Its hilarious how many of the best Stones tunes do not have Bill Wyman on them. Seems like he often was not around when the magic happened.

And Mick Taylor's "mystery illness", I've read was heroin related, but I'm not sure.

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The song "It's Only Rock and Roll" is his first contribution, I think. Though Keith wiped his licks and replaced them with his own. Probably recorded in late 73.

And of course Wood had Jagger and Richards on some of his solo albums. There was a period in the early 70s when Wood played with a bunch of people like Clapton, Townshend, even David Bowie:

What a strange song. It sounds like a Springsteen tune sung by David Bowie backed by the Faces.

No big surprise MT was not on all IORR songs:

741018A 18th October: THE ROLLING STONES.
LP ‘It’s Only Rock’n Roll’ (Rolling Stones Records COC 59103).
Producers: The Glimmer Twins. Sound engineers: Andy Johns, Keith Harwood.

A:
- If You Can’t Rock Me (MJ/KR)
- Ain’t Too Proud To Beg (Norman Whitfield/Eddie Holland)
- It’s Only Rock’n Roll (MJ/KR)
- Till The Next Goodbye (MJ/KR)
- Time Waits For No One (MJ/KR)

B:
- Luxury (MJ/KR)
- Dance Little Sister (MJ/KR)
- If You Really Want To Be My Friend (MJ/KR)
- Short And Curlies (MJ/KR)
- Fingerprint File (MJ/KR)

Line-up ‘If You Can’t Rock Me’: MJ (voc)/KR (gtr, bass, bvoc)/MT (gtr)/
CW (dr)/Billy Preston (clavinet)/Ray Cooper (congas)
Line-up ‘Ain’t Too Proud To Beg’: MJ (voc)/KR (gtr, bvoc)/BW (bass)
CW (dr)/Billy Preston (p)/Ray Cooper (perc)/Ed Leach (cowbell)
Line-up ‘IORR’: MJ (voc)/KR (gtr, bvoc)/RW (gtr, bvoc)/Willie Weeks (bass)/
Kenney Jones (dr)/STU (p)
Line-up ‘Til The Next Goodbye’: MJ (voc, gtr)/KR (gtr, bvoc)/MT (gtr)/BW
(bass)/CW (dr)/Nicky Hopkins (p)
Line-up ‘Time Waits For No One’: MJ (voc)/KR (gtr, bvoc)/MT (gtr, synth)/
BW (bass)/CW (dr)/Nicky Hopkins (p)/Ray Cooper (perc)
Line-up ‘Luxury’: MJ (voc)/KR (gtr, bvoc)/BW (bass)/CW (dr)/Nicky Hopkins
(p)/Ray Cooper (perc)
Line-up ‘Dance Little Sister’: MJ (voc)/KR (gtr, bvoc)/MT (gtr, congas)/BW
(bass)/CW (dr)/STU (p)
Line-up ‘If You Really...’: MJ (voc)/KR (gtr, bvoc)/MT (gtr)/BW (bass)/
CW (dr)/Nicky Hopkins (p)/Blue Magic [= Rod Wayne, Keith Beaton,
Wendell Sawyer & Vernon Sawyer] (choir)
Line-up ‘Short And Curlies’: MJ (voc)/KR (gtr, bvoc)/MT (gtr)/BW (bass)/
CW (dr)/STU (p)
Line-up ‘Fingerprint File’: MJ (voc, gtr)/KR (gtr)/MT (gtr, bass)/BW (synth)/CW (dr)/Nicky Hopkins (p)/Billy Preston (clavinet)/Jolly Kunjappu (tabla)

That Willie Weeks overdubbed his bass so much later on, and that neither Keith or Bill did it, only proves that IORR was originally considered as a Ronnie Wood solo track, as Weeks was bassist on I've Got My Own Album To Do. Interesting thread, this.

I said this before. Keith said when the song was released that It was bits of two songs
Made into one. They were having problems with it when Mick asked Ronnie to help.

He did and when he showed Keith what Ronnie did keith loved it. It
Worked. So imo Woodie helped but the track was almost done before Ronnie helped

Mick then gave Ronnie his song, I can feel the fire, which he was also working on to Ron for his help. He didn't need it now and Ronnie did.

Mick was there in the 1st place to help with Ron's solo.

IORR was recorded at the Wick in December 73.

I always thought they left Woody's 12 string acoustic on IORR

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Right on Rockman! There is another interview which Keith talks about putting together Two songs that made IORR. Thanks.

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It’s Only Rock’n Roll --- Its hilarious how many of the best Stones tunes do not have Bill Wyman on them. Seems like he often was not around when the magic happened.

Keith too it seems. Just like on Sway, Winter, Moonlight Mile, Stop Breaking Down.

And Bills riff for Jumpin Jack Flash was pretty magical.

But yes, Keith overdubed a lot. Even Ronnie missed out on his own song here. However I doubt he was flown in for the session, just as Bowie wasnt.

Don't be silly. Keith has missed only a handful of songs, all minor parts of the canon. Moonlight Mile being a possible exception.

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Don't be silly. Keith has missed only a handful of songs, all minor parts of the canon. Moonlight Mile being a possible exception.

Yup.

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sounds like a Springsteen tune sung by David Bowie backed by the Faces.

Ah,,,, the singular Woody tone I had hoped he'd bring to the Stones.
Never did.

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triceratops
It’s Only Rock’n Roll --- Its hilarious how many of the best Stones tunes do not have Bill Wyman on them. Seems like he often was not around when the magic happened.

Keith too it seems. Just like on Sway, Winter, Moonlight Mile, Stop Breaking Down.

And Bills riff for Jumpin Jack Flash was pretty magical.

But yes, Keith overdubed a lot. Even Ronnie missed out on his own song here. However I doubt he was flown in for the session, just as Bowie wasnt.

Keith is on Sway...

Ronnie didn't miss out. One of his guitars is still on the recording.

I'm pretty sure Bill was talking about the intro or the instrumental bridge (which he plays on), and not the riff...



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I find it hilarious that Keith talks about the "bathroom scales" effect they used on the IORR album. We had good fun about it looking like a scales in another thread long ago. If there were ever any doubt that the effect unit was used, that's been cleared now.

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The song "It's Only Rock and Roll" is his first contribution, I think. Though Keith wiped his licks and replaced them with his own. Probably recorded in late 73.

And of course Wood had Jagger and Richards on some of his solo albums. There was a period in the early 70s when Wood played with a bunch of people like Clapton, Townshend, even David Bowie:

What a strange song. It sounds like a Springsteen tune sung by David Bowie backed by the Faces.

It IS a Springsteen tune. It's 'Growing Up' From 'Greetings From Asbury Park'. Bowie loved the album and recorded this during the Diamond Dogs sessions. For Young Americans (and later Station To Station) he did 'It's Hard To Be A Saint In The City' from the same album. Neither 'Growing Up' or 'Saint' were used, and only turned up years later as bonus tracks.

No that was the riff. The JJF riff. Bill wrote it.

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It’s Only Rock’n Roll --- Its hilarious how many of the best Stones tunes do not have Bill Wyman on them. Seems like he often was not around when the magic happened.

Keith too it seems. Just like on Sway, Winter, Moonlight Mile, Stop Breaking Down.

And Bills riff for Jumpin Jack Flash was pretty magical.

But yes, Keith overdubed a lot. Even Ronnie missed out on his own song here. However I doubt he was flown in for the session, just as Bowie wasnt.

Keith is on Sway...

Ronnie didn't miss out. One of his guitars is still on the recording.

I'm pretty sure Bill was talking about the intro or the instrumental bridge (which he plays on), and not the riff...

Those EMS Hifly go for a small fortune now. Last one I saw went for about £5000.