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There is no way that is Keith soloing the last 50 seconds.Show me one song where he plays those lead lines like that.I can point to many by Taylor that sound just like that.Keith never plays like that
No use in telling you "It's not Mick Taylor". Better explain why it's not Mick Taylor, so see my previous post.
Short and Curries is another example. To me Keith's best noodling ever, it sounds very Taylor-esque, but don't let it fool you, there's no vibrato. Thus not Taylor.
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Taylor1Really? where is the vibrato on Taylor’s soloson All Down the Line or Dance Little Sister?To a novice like me, it sounds like the guitar playing on All Down the Line sounds like that on Luxury.And there is no example of Keith ever playing like the outro on Luxury. if you are right, perhaps Taylor is playing one of the other 2or 3 guitars on Luxury.And the one question you can’t answer is why Keith never played the lead guitar part of Luxury live in 1975 or at the El Mocambo like he did Bitch live on many toursQuote
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There is no way that is Keith soloing the last 50 seconds.Show me one song where he plays those lead lines like that.I can point to many by Taylor that sound just like that.Keith never plays like that
No use in telling you "It's not Mick Taylor". Better explain why it's not Mick Taylor, so see my previous post.
Short and Curries is another example. To me Keith's best noodling ever, it sounds very Taylor-esque, but don't let it fool you, there's no vibrato. Thus not Taylor.
Let me put it this way: Taylor has a different bit more fluid style than Richards, Keith is a bit more "stiff" in his noodling than Taylor. You can recognise the difference immediately.
One more thing: For years I thought it was Keith playing the open G on "Fingerprint File", "Sway" and "Stop Breaking Down". It turned out be Mick Jagger.Those guys have been hanging around for years, and influenced each other quite a lot.
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Taylor1Really? where is the vibrato on Taylor’s soloson All Down the Line or Dance Little Sister?To a novice like me, it sounds like the guitar playing on All Down the Line sounds like that on Luxury.And there is no example of Keith ever playing like the outro on Luxury. if you are right, perhaps Taylor is playing one of the other 2or 3 guitars on Luxury.And the one question you can’t answer is why Keith never played the lead guitar part of Luxury live in 1975 or at the El Mocambo like he did Bitch live on many toursQuote
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There is no way that is Keith soloing the last 50 seconds.Show me one song where he plays those lead lines like that.I can point to many by Taylor that sound just like that.Keith never plays like that
No use in telling you "It's not Mick Taylor". Better explain why it's not Mick Taylor, so see my previous post.
Short and Curries is another example. To me Keith's best noodling ever, it sounds very Taylor-esque, but don't let it fool you, there's no vibrato. Thus not Taylor.
Let me put it this way: Taylor has a different bit more fluid style than Richards, Keith is a bit more "stiff" in his noodling than Taylor. You can recognise the difference immediately.
One more thing: For years I thought it was Keith playing the open G on "Fingerprint File", "Sway" and "Stop Breaking Down". It turned out be Mick Jagger.Those guys have been hanging around for years, and influenced each other quite a lot.
FF is standard tuning, though.
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Taylor1Really? where is the vibrato on Taylor’s soloson All Down the Line or Dance Little Sister?To a novice like me, it sounds like the guitar playing on All Down the Line sounds like that on Luxury.And there is no example of Keith ever playing like the outro on Luxury. if you are right, perhaps Taylor is playing one of the other 2or 3 guitars on Luxury.And the one question you can’t answer is why Keith never played the lead guitar part of Luxury live in 1975 or at the El Mocambo like he did Bitch live on many toursQuote
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There is no way that is Keith soloing the last 50 seconds.Show me one song where he plays those lead lines like that.I can point to many by Taylor that sound just like that.Keith never plays like that
No use in telling you "It's not Mick Taylor". Better explain why it's not Mick Taylor, so see my previous post.
Short and Curries is another example. To me Keith's best noodling ever, it sounds very Taylor-esque, but don't let it fool you, there's no vibrato. Thus not Taylor.
Let me put it this way: Taylor has a different bit more fluid style than Richards, Keith is a bit more "stiff" in his noodling than Taylor. You can recognise the difference immediately.
One more thing: For years I thought it was Keith playing the open G on "Fingerprint File", "Sway" and "Stop Breaking Down". It turned out be Mick Jagger.Those guys have been hanging around for years, and influenced each other quite a lot.
FF is standard tuning, though.
Thanks.It still sounds very much like Keith
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Taylor1Really? where is the vibrato on Taylor’s soloson All Down the Line or Dance Little Sister?To a novice like me, it sounds like the guitar playing on All Down the Line sounds like that on Luxury.And there is no example of Keith ever playing like the outro on Luxury. if you are right, perhaps Taylor is playing one of the other 2or 3 guitars on Luxury.And the one question you can’t answer is why Keith never played the lead guitar part of Luxury live in 1975 or at the El Mocambo like he did Bitch live on many toursQuote
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There is no way that is Keith soloing the last 50 seconds.Show me one song where he plays those lead lines like that.I can point to many by Taylor that sound just like that.Keith never plays like that
No use in telling you "It's not Mick Taylor". Better explain why it's not Mick Taylor, so see my previous post.
Short and Curries is another example. To me Keith's best noodling ever, it sounds very Taylor-esque, but don't let it fool you, there's no vibrato. Thus not Taylor.
Let me put it this way: Taylor has a different bit more fluid style than Richards, Keith is a bit more "stiff" in his noodling than Taylor. You can recognise the difference immediately.
One more thing: For years I thought it was Keith playing the open G on "Fingerprint File", "Sway" and "Stop Breaking Down". It turned out be Mick Jagger.Those guys have been hanging around for years, and influenced each other quite a lot.
FF is standard tuning, though.
Thanks.It still sounds very much like Keith
It actually sounds very much like Jagger...it's the same choppy, sometimes awkward but great sounding rhythm approach Jagger also has on Stop Breaking Down. It's very much a non-guitar player approach to guitar playing.
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There is no way that is Keith soloing the last 50 seconds.Show me one song where he plays those lead lines like that.I can point to many by Taylor that sound just like that.Keith never plays like that
No use in telling you "It's not Mick Taylor". Better explain why it's not Mick Taylor, so see my previous post.
Short and Curries is another example. To me Keith's best noodling ever, it sounds very Taylor-esque, but don't let it fool you, there's no vibrato. Thus not Taylor.
Noodling? You're saying that he just plays without a purpose?
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Taylor1Really? where is the vibrato on Taylor’s soloson All Down the Line or Dance Little Sister?To a novice like me, it sounds like the guitar playing on All Down the Line sounds like that on Luxury.And there is no example of Keith ever playing like the outro on Luxury. if you are right, perhaps Taylor is playing one of the other 2or 3 guitars on Luxury.And the one question you can’t answer is why Keith never played the lead guitar part of Luxury live in 1975 or at the El Mocambo like he did Bitch live on many toursQuote
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There is no way that is Keith soloing the last 50 seconds.Show me one song where he plays those lead lines like that.I can point to many by Taylor that sound just like that.Keith never plays like that
No use in telling you "It's not Mick Taylor". Better explain why it's not Mick Taylor, so see my previous post.
Short and Curries is another example. To me Keith's best noodling ever, it sounds very Taylor-esque, but don't let it fool you, there's no vibrato. Thus not Taylor.
Let me put it this way: Taylor has a different bit more fluid style than Richards, Keith is a bit more "stiff" in his noodling than Taylor. You can recognise the difference immediately.
One more thing: For years I thought it was Keith playing the open G on "Fingerprint File", "Sway" and "Stop Breaking Down". It turned out be Mick Jagger.Those guys have been hanging around for years, and influenced each other quite a lot.
FF is standard tuning, though.
Thanks.It still sounds very much like Keith
It actually sounds very much like Jagger...it's the same choppy, sometimes awkward but great sounding rhythm approach Jagger also has on Stop Breaking Down. It's very much a non-guitar player approach to guitar playing.
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That's a very subjective approach. I only noticed it after I found out it was Jagger.
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Taylor1Really? where is the vibrato on Taylor’s soloson All Down the Line or Dance Little Sister?To a novice like me, it sounds like the guitar playing on All Down the Line sounds like that on Luxury.And there is no example of Keith ever playing like the outro on Luxury. if you are right, perhaps Taylor is playing one of the other 2or 3 guitars on Luxury.And the one question you can’t answer is why Keith never played the lead guitar part of Luxury live in 1975 or at the El Mocambo like he did Bitch live on many toursQuote
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There is no way that is Keith soloing the last 50 seconds.Show me one song where he plays those lead lines like that.I can point to many by Taylor that sound just like that.Keith never plays like that
No use in telling you "It's not Mick Taylor". Better explain why it's not Mick Taylor, so see my previous post.
Short and Curries is another example. To me Keith's best noodling ever, it sounds very Taylor-esque, but don't let it fool you, there's no vibrato. Thus not Taylor.
Let me put it this way: Taylor has a different bit more fluid style than Richards, Keith is a bit more "stiff" in his noodling than Taylor. You can recognise the difference immediately.
One more thing: For years I thought it was Keith playing the open G on "Fingerprint File", "Sway" and "Stop Breaking Down". It turned out be Mick Jagger.Those guys have been hanging around for years, and influenced each other quite a lot.
FF is standard tuning, though.
Thanks.It still sounds very much like Keith
It actually sounds very much like Jagger...it's the same choppy, sometimes awkward but great sounding rhythm approach Jagger also has on Stop Breaking Down. It's very much a non-guitar player approach to guitar playing.
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That's a very subjective approach. I only noticed it after I found out it was Jagger.
With that kind of reasoning recognizing somebody's playing style is always subjective.
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Taylor1Really? where is the vibrato on Taylor’s soloson All Down the Line or Dance Little Sister?To a novice like me, it sounds like the guitar playing on All Down the Line sounds like that on Luxury.And there is no example of Keith ever playing like the outro on Luxury. if you are right, perhaps Taylor is playing one of the other 2or 3 guitars on Luxury.And the one question you can’t answer is why Keith never played the lead guitar part of Luxury live in 1975 or at the El Mocambo like he did Bitch live on many toursQuote
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There is no way that is Keith soloing the last 50 seconds.Show me one song where he plays those lead lines like that.I can point to many by Taylor that sound just like that.Keith never plays like that
No use in telling you "It's not Mick Taylor". Better explain why it's not Mick Taylor, so see my previous post.
Short and Curries is another example. To me Keith's best noodling ever, it sounds very Taylor-esque, but don't let it fool you, there's no vibrato. Thus not Taylor.
Let me put it this way: Taylor has a different bit more fluid style than Richards, Keith is a bit more "stiff" in his noodling than Taylor. You can recognise the difference immediately.
One more thing: For years I thought it was Keith playing the open G on "Fingerprint File", "Sway" and "Stop Breaking Down". It turned out be Mick Jagger.Those guys have been hanging around for years, and influenced each other quite a lot.
FF is standard tuning, though.
Thanks.It still sounds very much like Keith
It actually sounds very much like Jagger...it's the same choppy, sometimes awkward but great sounding rhythm approach Jagger also has on Stop Breaking Down. It's very much a non-guitar player approach to guitar playing.
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That's a very subjective approach. I only noticed it after I found out it was Jagger.
With that kind of reasoning recognizing somebody's playing style is always subjective.
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Give the average Stones fan a guess who plays the intro on fingerprint file and 99%
-me and you included- would have said "Keith", at least 25 years ago. In hindsight we know it's Jagger and then we all say "oh that's clearly Jagger".WtF, in my opinion the difference in feeling between Keith and Jagger in this case is almost insignificant. Jagger had a good teacher.
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Taylor1Really? where is the vibrato on Taylor’s soloson All Down the Line or Dance Little Sister?To a novice like me, it sounds like the guitar playing on All Down the Line sounds like that on Luxury.And there is no example of Keith ever playing like the outro on Luxury. if you are right, perhaps Taylor is playing one of the other 2or 3 guitars on Luxury.And the one question you can’t answer is why Keith never played the lead guitar part of Luxury live in 1975 or at the El Mocambo like he did Bitch live on many toursQuote
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There is no way that is Keith soloing the last 50 seconds.Show me one song where he plays those lead lines like that.I can point to many by Taylor that sound just like that.Keith never plays like that
No use in telling you "It's not Mick Taylor". Better explain why it's not Mick Taylor, so see my previous post.
Short and Curries is another example. To me Keith's best noodling ever, it sounds very Taylor-esque, but don't let it fool you, there's no vibrato. Thus not Taylor.
Let me put it this way: Taylor has a different bit more fluid style than Richards, Keith is a bit more "stiff" in his noodling than Taylor. You can recognise the difference immediately.
One more thing: For years I thought it was Keith playing the open G on "Fingerprint File", "Sway" and "Stop Breaking Down". It turned out be Mick Jagger.Those guys have been hanging around for years, and influenced each other quite a lot.
FF is standard tuning, though.
Thanks.It still sounds very much like Keith
It actually sounds very much like Jagger...it's the same choppy, sometimes awkward but great sounding rhythm approach Jagger also has on Stop Breaking Down. It's very much a non-guitar player approach to guitar playing.
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That's a very subjective approach. I only noticed it after I found out it was Jagger.
With that kind of reasoning recognizing somebody's playing style is always subjective.
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Give the average Stones fan a guess who plays the intro on fingerprint file and 99%
-me and you included- would have said "Keith", at least 25 years ago. In hindsight we know it's Jagger and then we all say "oh that's clearly Jagger".WtF, in my opinion the difference in feeling between Keith and Jagger in this case is almost insignificant. Jagger had a good teacher.
Well no, the difference to me is not insignificant. Both FF and SBD have the emphasis of the timing on the offbeat, which is so completely different than to how Richards would have played it. Same with the main rhythm part of Crazy Mama -a real guitar player would have never played it like that. And yes I knew that 25 years ago. There's many things I didn't know 25 years ago though.
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Taylor1Really? where is the vibrato on Taylor’s soloson All Down the Line or Dance Little Sister?To a novice like me, it sounds like the guitar playing on All Down the Line sounds like that on Luxury.And there is no example of Keith ever playing like the outro on Luxury. if you are right, perhaps Taylor is playing one of the other 2or 3 guitars on Luxury.And the one question you can’t answer is why Keith never played the lead guitar part of Luxury live in 1975 or at the El Mocambo like he did Bitch live on many toursQuote
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There is no way that is Keith soloing the last 50 seconds.Show me one song where he plays those lead lines like that.I can point to many by Taylor that sound just like that.Keith never plays like that
No use in telling you "It's not Mick Taylor". Better explain why it's not Mick Taylor, so see my previous post.
Short and Curries is another example. To me Keith's best noodling ever, it sounds very Taylor-esque, but don't let it fool you, there's no vibrato. Thus not Taylor.
Let me put it this way: Taylor has a different bit more fluid style than Richards, Keith is a bit more "stiff" in his noodling than Taylor. You can recognise the difference immediately.
One more thing: For years I thought it was Keith playing the open G on "Fingerprint File", "Sway" and "Stop Breaking Down". It turned out be Mick Jagger.Those guys have been hanging around for years, and influenced each other quite a lot.
FF is standard tuning, though.
Thanks.It still sounds very much like Keith
It actually sounds very much like Jagger...it's the same choppy, sometimes awkward but great sounding rhythm approach Jagger also has on Stop Breaking Down. It's very much a non-guitar player approach to guitar playing.
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That's a very subjective approach. I only noticed it after I found out it was Jagger.
With that kind of reasoning recognizing somebody's playing style is always subjective.
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Give the average Stones fan a guess who plays the intro on fingerprint file and 99%
-me and you included- would have said "Keith", at least 25 years ago. In hindsight we know it's Jagger and then we all say "oh that's clearly Jagger".WtF, in my opinion the difference in feeling between Keith and Jagger in this case is almost insignificant. Jagger had a good teacher.
Well no, the difference to me is not insignificant. Both FF and SBD have the emphasis of the timing on the offbeat, which is so completely different than to how Richards would have played it. Same with the main rhythm part of Crazy Mama -a real guitar player would have never played it like that. And yes I knew that 25 years ago. There's many things I didn't know 25 years ago though.
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Average Stones Fan ? Well, Jagger playing guitar on FF is mentioned in Roy Carr`s Illustrated Biography , published in 1976/77 . One of the best Books about the Stones, for sure at the time of publishing. The average or very interested fan knew the personal of FF.
And yes, as a guitarplayer or player other instruments you can identify a musician , sometimes in opposite of what the Books are saying. Heaven is for sure played by Jagger.
Another example is Highwire. When it was released I was thinking great, but where is Ronnie Wood? Just playing the solo? You can hear that the rythm is not played by Ronnie but Mick/Keith. You don`t need any books to know that...
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Taylor1Really? where is the vibrato on Taylor’s soloson All Down the Line or Dance Little Sister?To a novice like me, it sounds like the guitar playing on All Down the Line sounds like that on Luxury.And there is no example of Keith ever playing like the outro on Luxury. if you are right, perhaps Taylor is playing one of the other 2or 3 guitars on Luxury.And the one question you can’t answer is why Keith never played the lead guitar part of Luxury live in 1975 or at the El Mocambo like he did Bitch live on many toursQuote
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There is no way that is Keith soloing the last 50 seconds.Show me one song where he plays those lead lines like that.I can point to many by Taylor that sound just like that.Keith never plays like that
No use in telling you "It's not Mick Taylor". Better explain why it's not Mick Taylor, so see my previous post.
Short and Curries is another example. To me Keith's best noodling ever, it sounds very Taylor-esque, but don't let it fool you, there's no vibrato. Thus not Taylor.
Let me put it this way: Taylor has a different bit more fluid style than Richards, Keith is a bit more "stiff" in his noodling than Taylor. You can recognise the difference immediately.
One more thing: For years I thought it was Keith playing the open G on "Fingerprint File", "Sway" and "Stop Breaking Down". It turned out be Mick Jagger.Those guys have been hanging around for years, and influenced each other quite a lot.
FF is standard tuning, though.
Thanks.It still sounds very much like Keith
It actually sounds very much like Jagger...it's the same choppy, sometimes awkward but great sounding rhythm approach Jagger also has on Stop Breaking Down. It's very much a non-guitar player approach to guitar playing.
Mathijs
That's a very subjective approach. I only noticed it after I found out it was Jagger.
With that kind of reasoning recognizing somebody's playing style is always subjective.
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Give the average Stones fan a guess who plays the intro on fingerprint file and 99%
-me and you included- would have said "Keith", at least 25 years ago. In hindsight we know it's Jagger and then we all say "oh that's clearly Jagger".WtF, in my opinion the difference in feeling between Keith and Jagger in this case is almost insignificant. Jagger had a good teacher.
Well no, the difference to me is not insignificant. Both FF and SBD have the emphasis of the timing on the offbeat, which is so completely different than to how Richards would have played it. Same with the main rhythm part of Crazy Mama -a real guitar player would have never played it like that. And yes I knew that 25 years ago. There's many things I didn't know 25 years ago though.
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Average Stones Fan ? Well, Jagger playing guitar on FF is mentioned in Roy Carr`s Illustrated Biography , published in 1976/77 . One of the best Books about the Stones, for sure at the time of publishing. The average or very interested fan knew the personal of FF.
And yes, as a guitarplayer or player other instruments you can identify a musician , sometimes in opposite of what the Books are saying. Heaven is for sure played by Jagger.
Another example is Highwire. When it was released I was thinking great, but where is Ronnie Wood? Just playing the solo? You can hear that the rythm is not played by Ronnie but Mick/Keith. You don`t need any books to know that...
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True. And the average fan would probably also have noticed Mick playing the riff in concert in 1975/76
Sad Sad Sad is another example, btw. Very easy to hear it's not Keith, even though it's a classic open G-riff.
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True. And the average fan would probably also have noticed Mick playing the riff in concert in 1975/76
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True. And the average fan would probably also have noticed Mick playing the riff in concert in 1975/76
Thinking about that -we did have the LA Forum video in 1983 or so...that's more than 25 years ago, unfortunately.
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True. And the average fan would probably also have noticed Mick playing the riff in concert in 1975/76
Thinking about that -we did have the LA Forum video in 1983 or so...that's more than 25 years ago, unfortunately.
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Taylor1Really? where is the vibrato on Taylor’s soloson All Down the Line or Dance Little Sister?To a novice like me, it sounds like the guitar playing on All Down the Line sounds like that on Luxury.And there is no example of Keith ever playing like the outro on Luxury. if you are right, perhaps Taylor is playing one of the other 2or 3 guitars on Luxury.And the one question you can’t answer is why Keith never played the lead guitar part of Luxury live in 1975 or at the El Mocambo like he did Bitch live on many toursQuote
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There is no way that is Keith soloing the last 50 seconds.Show me one song where he plays those lead lines like that.I can point to many by Taylor that sound just like that.Keith never plays like that
No use in telling you "It's not Mick Taylor". Better explain why it's not Mick Taylor, so see my previous post.
Short and Curries is another example. To me Keith's best noodling ever, it sounds very Taylor-esque, but don't let it fool you, there's no vibrato. Thus not Taylor.
Let me put it this way: Taylor has a different bit more fluid style than Richards, Keith is a bit more "stiff" in his noodling than Taylor. You can recognise the difference immediately.
One more thing: For years I thought it was Keith playing the open G on "Fingerprint File", "Sway" and "Stop Breaking Down". It turned out be Mick Jagger.Those guys have been hanging around for years, and influenced each other quite a lot.
FF is standard tuning, though.
Thanks.It still sounds very much like Keith
It actually sounds very much like Jagger...it's the same choppy, sometimes awkward but great sounding rhythm approach Jagger also has on Stop Breaking Down. It's very much a non-guitar player approach to guitar playing.
Mathijs
That's a very subjective approach. I only noticed it after I found out it was Jagger.
With that kind of reasoning recognizing somebody's playing style is always subjective.
Mathijs
Give the average Stones fan a guess who plays the intro on fingerprint file and 99%
-me and you included- would have said "Keith", at least 25 years ago. In hindsight we know it's Jagger and then we all say "oh that's clearly Jagger".WtF, in my opinion the difference in feeling between Keith and Jagger in this case is almost insignificant. Jagger had a good teacher.
Well no, the difference to me is not insignificant. Both FF and SBD have the emphasis of the timing on the offbeat, which is so completely different than to how Richards would have played it. Same with the main rhythm part of Crazy Mama -a real guitar player would have never played it like that. And yes I knew that 25 years ago. There's many things I didn't know 25 years ago though.
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Average Stones Fan ? Well, Jagger playing guitar on FF is mentioned in Roy Carr`s Illustrated Biography , published in 1976/77 . One of the best Books about the Stones, for sure at the time of publishing. The average or very interested fan knew the personal of FF.
And yes, as a guitarplayer or player other instruments you can identify a musician , sometimes in opposite of what the Books are saying. Heaven is for sure played by Jagger.
Another example is Highwire. When it was released I was thinking great, but where is Ronnie Wood? Just playing the solo? You can hear that the rythm is not played by Ronnie but Mick/Keith. You don`t need any books to know that...
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True. And the average fan would probably also have noticed Mick playing the riff in concert in 1975/76
Sad Sad Sad is another example, btw. Very easy to hear it's not Keith, even though it's a classic open G-riff.
Oeps: I'm referring to the Studio version. When I heard it at the time I just took it for granted that the intro was played by Keith. I think most people did at the time- I never looked on the record sleeve who played what.
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Taylor1Really? where is the vibrato on Taylor’s soloson All Down the Line or Dance Little Sister?To a novice like me, it sounds like the guitar playing on All Down the Line sounds like that on Luxury.And there is no example of Keith ever playing like the outro on Luxury. if you are right, perhaps Taylor is playing one of the other 2or 3 guitars on Luxury.And the one question you can’t answer is why Keith never played the lead guitar part of Luxury live in 1975 or at the El Mocambo like he did Bitch live on many toursQuote
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There is no way that is Keith soloing the last 50 seconds.Show me one song where he plays those lead lines like that.I can point to many by Taylor that sound just like that.Keith never plays like that
No use in telling you "It's not Mick Taylor". Better explain why it's not Mick Taylor, so see my previous post.
Short and Curries is another example. To me Keith's best noodling ever, it sounds very Taylor-esque, but don't let it fool you, there's no vibrato. Thus not Taylor.
Let me put it this way: Taylor has a different bit more fluid style than Richards, Keith is a bit more "stiff" in his noodling than Taylor. You can recognise the difference immediately.
One more thing: For years I thought it was Keith playing the open G on "Fingerprint File", "Sway" and "Stop Breaking Down". It turned out be Mick Jagger.Those guys have been hanging around for years, and influenced each other quite a lot.
FF is standard tuning, though.
Thanks.It still sounds very much like Keith
It actually sounds very much like Jagger...it's the same choppy, sometimes awkward but great sounding rhythm approach Jagger also has on Stop Breaking Down. It's very much a non-guitar player approach to guitar playing.
Mathijs
That's a very subjective approach. I only noticed it after I found out it was Jagger.
With that kind of reasoning recognizing somebody's playing style is always subjective.
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Give the average Stones fan a guess who plays the intro on fingerprint file and 99%
-me and you included- would have said "Keith", at least 25 years ago. In hindsight we know it's Jagger and then we all say "oh that's clearly Jagger".WtF, in my opinion the difference in feeling between Keith and Jagger in this case is almost insignificant. Jagger had a good teacher.
Well no, the difference to me is not insignificant. Both FF and SBD have the emphasis of the timing on the offbeat, which is so completely different than to how Richards would have played it. Same with the main rhythm part of Crazy Mama -a real guitar player would have never played it like that. And yes I knew that 25 years ago. There's many things I didn't know 25 years ago though.
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Average Stones Fan ? Well, Jagger playing guitar on FF is mentioned in Roy Carr`s Illustrated Biography , published in 1976/77 . One of the best Books about the Stones, for sure at the time of publishing. The average or very interested fan knew the personal of FF.
And yes, as a guitarplayer or player other instruments you can identify a musician , sometimes in opposite of what the Books are saying. Heaven is for sure played by Jagger.
Another example is Highwire. When it was released I was thinking great, but where is Ronnie Wood? Just playing the solo? You can hear that the rythm is not played by Ronnie but Mick/Keith. You don`t need any books to know that...
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True. And the average fan would probably also have noticed Mick playing the riff in concert in 1975/76
Sad Sad Sad is another example, btw. Very easy to hear it's not Keith, even though it's a classic open G-riff.
Oeps: I'm referring to the Studio version. When I heard it at the time I just took it for granted that the intro was played by Keith. I think most people did at the time- I never looked on the record sleeve who played what.
At the time, I didn't have the knowledge I have now
But I did notice that the other guitar was played by Keith back then. In a way it was easy, because I heard the live version (LYL) first.
I remember being a bit annoyed, since Keith played so much slower on the studio recording. I thought the bass was a bit lamer, too. I always liked the live version best. Some years later I found out that the recording from Toronto was edited and shortened. So, today I enjoy the full-length bootleg-version most. Great tune, though
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Same with the main rhythm part of Crazy Mama -a real guitar player would have never played it like that. And yes I knew that 25 years ago. There's many things I didn't know 25 years ago though.
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So,....HMS was right after all. Tattoo You is a compilation of seventies leftovers...
Did people ever debate that?
All albums are compilations.
The idiocy of stating such a thing because one has such severe cognition issues as an argument as to what comprises a compilation when the very definition of 'album' is... is @#$%& ridiculous.
Right, but the leftovers part.
Leftovers... they've been using leftovers for years. Starts with LET IT BLEED - they first worked on Love In Vain and Sister Morhphine for BEGGARS... and SF and EXILE tracks were started for LIB... IORR tracks were started for the SOUP sessions... and on and on and on.
To what I've figured out, the last leftover was Too Tough, started for BLACK AND BLUE.
No doubt. But an entire album of leftovers is an accurate statement.
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Thanks Bård, I never looked that close, just listened. And frankly, I just gave it another listen after 20 years and I don't hear Jagger, unless he's a very good Keith copy-cat. Can you point out what part Jagger is playing and what part Keith is playing. It all sounds like Keith to me ?
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Thanks Bård, I never looked that close, just listened. And frankly, I just gave it another listen after 20 years and I don't hear Jagger, unless he's a very good Keith copy-cat. Can you point out what part Jagger is playing and what part Keith is playing. It all sounds like Keith to me ?
The very first chugging guitar is Mick.
The bit about telling who is playing... there are moments when it's easy to tell that it's Mick - it's more on the beat and the attack is nowhere near as aggressive and precise as Keith: Mick tends to clang away while Keith slices.
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So,....HMS was right after all. Tattoo You is a compilation of seventies leftovers...
Did people ever debate that?
All albums are compilations.
The idiocy of stating such a thing because one has such severe cognition issues as an argument as to what comprises a compilation when the very definition of 'album' is... is @#$%& ridiculous.
Right, but the leftovers part.
Leftovers... they've been using leftovers for years. Starts with LET IT BLEED - they first worked on Love In Vain and Sister Morhphine for BEGGARS... and SF and EXILE tracks were started for LIB... IORR tracks were started for the SOUP sessions... and on and on and on.
To what I've figured out, the last leftover was Too Tough, started for BLACK AND BLUE.
No doubt. But an entire album of leftovers is an accurate statement.
It is. The point someone made of 'it's nothing new therefor it doesn't count' is ignorant. If they had finished every track recorded for SOME GIRLS they wouldn't've been finished until 1983... Only a hack mentality would say something to that degree.
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I thought it was strange, considering what was left off SOME GIRLS, that Respectable and Imagination made the album.
The same could be said about EMOTIONAL RESCUE - instead of, say, Indian Girl, Where The Boys Go, Let Me Go and Send It To Me, that Hang Fire, Neighbours, No Use In Crying, Heaven or Little T&A had been finished.
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I thought it was strange, considering what was left off SOME GIRLS, that Respectable and Imagination made the album.
The same could be said about EMOTIONAL RESCUE - instead of, say, Indian Girl, Where The Boys Go, Let Me Go and Send It To Me, that Hang Fire, Neighbours, No Use In Crying, Heaven or Little T&A had been finished.
In retrospect, one might almost wonder if there wasn't some strategy involved before they released ER, already: not touring until fall 1981, when a new record would be needed, so maybe those TY songs were already in the picture? (In which case btw, the case for TY being a compilation album would be significantly weaker than it already is, too )
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I thought it was strange, considering what was left off SOME GIRLS, that Respectable and Imagination made the album.
The same could be said about EMOTIONAL RESCUE - instead of, say, Indian Girl, Where The Boys Go, Let Me Go and Send It To Me, that Hang Fire, Neighbours, No Use In Crying, Heaven or Little T&A had been finished.
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I thought it was strange, considering what was left off SOME GIRLS, that Respectable and Imagination made the album.
The same could be said about EMOTIONAL RESCUE - instead of, say, Indian Girl, Where The Boys Go, Let Me Go and Send It To Me, that Hang Fire, Neighbours, No Use In Crying, Heaven or Little T&A had been finished.
In regard to SOME GIRLS, I don't find that strange at all. I think those two cuts are wonderful tracks on that album - self-ironic 'chuck-berry-lesson-for-punks' "Respectable" was even released as a single in UK and made the charts there. I think SOME GIRLS altogether is wonderfully constructed as far song selections go. A wide range of styles and mostly played with that new punk-inspired fresh attitude of the band. A coherent, nicely flowing album.
Anyway, like Keith mentioned in the quote in this or recent TATTOO YOU -thread, it is not the question of the songs being good enough if rejected, but not being suitable for the purpose. I think with SOME GIRLS they did an excellent choice, even by leaving such a gem like "Start Me Up" out. I don't think such a retro-sounding piece (if not done reggaeish) would have fitted there. The artistic statement of SOME GIRLS was basically to get rid of the typical Open G -styled Stones sound they had excelled to death by then. There is nothing 'Stones-by-numbers' in SOME GIRLS, but the band was updating their sound and looking forward (there is an early version of "Shattered" in which there are a bit too many typical familiar sounding elements - of which they got rid of in the released version, and ended up sounding totally novel). But by the time of TATTOO YOU releasing "Start Me Up" as a leading single was a wonderful artistic move... good old Stones is back and sounding like they used to.
Seemingly EMOTIONAL RESCUE was altogether a tough one to complete, including which cuts to choose, since Mick and Keith didn't share the same vision any longer, and seemed to fight over every little detail. Probably the whole album suffers from that.
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Of course there's also the reality that had they finished Start Me Up, the rock version, in 1978 for SOME GIRLS, it sure as hell wouldn't be the one we know.