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It is but it's curable. Like any disease in "is" it means it's an inflammation of the body. Booze and cigs being the main culprits... Maybe it's time for Keith to clean up his act if he wants to have a creative 70's.
Like any disease with the suffix "itis".
perhaps not. but he himself has said it that he rarely plays anymore. not sure why he'd say that if not true.
Guys, let a very old woman son speak; when artritis deforms fingers, is not curable anymore.
Keith's fingers are deformed since the 90s...
Let's hope for the best, but it's a very very hard task to play again, top level.
Alex
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2010-10-02 16:57 by Ale67.
A real elegant gentleman, this "skinrichards"...
Who do you think you are to offend me?
The jerks mother is always pregnant, that's for sure.
Alex
No need to be insulting. We all love Keith, however, there are many on this list who sincerely believe his skills have declined, even significantly so. As I stated I wouldn't know good playing from bad playing, so therefore the questions. My "hooks" can be a little sensational or "over the top" at times, but sometimes thats what it takes to get people interested enough to respond. I can guarantee you one thing nothing that is said around here would phase Keith in the least, he's as tough as rawhide.
Just curious, what did you think of the overall sound of the band in '06? I thought they sounded great only that it was just to friggen loud for my ears.
Talk about your favorite band.
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Re: Is Keith Richards Weak Link Of Stones? Should He Retire?
Posted by:
Happy24
()
Date: October 1, 2010 13:29
Well, there are many opinons on Keith's playing, everyone has his own. Mine is this - It is true that Keith's playing was worse in 2007 (although not that much as some people keep on saying). Befor that it was standard I would say. In 2006 his performances were comperable to any other period (well, almost, of course that the age shows, but there was no huge decline) - he had better and worse nights even in the glorified year 1972 (I wansn't even born back then, so I only judge it according to bootlegs...okay, okay, his playing was a bit better back then :-) ).
As for the future - there are many speculations what the reason/s of the worse 2007 year was/were, no need to repeat that. I personally don't know and only the next tour will show whether it was temporary and Keith will play up to the let's say 2006 standard or whether it will only get worse. I hope for the first of course, but how can I know?
There are no Stones without Keith of course. He is one of the 3...
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2010-10-01 13:30 by Happy24.
As for the future - there are many speculations what the reason/s of the worse 2007 year was/were, no need to repeat that. I personally don't know and only the next tour will show whether it was temporary and Keith will play up to the let's say 2006 standard or whether it will only get worse. I hope for the first of course, but how can I know?
There are no Stones without Keith of course. He is one of the 3...
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2010-10-01 13:30 by Happy24.
Re: Is Keith Richards Weak Link Of Stones? Should He Retire?
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
()
Date: October 1, 2010 13:34
I liked what I heard of Keith´s playing on Lee Scratch Perry´s tune. I don´t know when it was recorded, though.
With lighter strings, more focus and rehearsing Keith will be fine for the next tour, imo.
With lighter strings, more focus and rehearsing Keith will be fine for the next tour, imo.
Re: Is Keith Richards Weak Link Of Stones? Should He Retire?
Posted by:
Loudei
()
Date: October 1, 2010 14:02
Keith's playing style requires a lot physical coordination to be great and cool, to grab those great grooves. If you watch Let's Spend the night together (1983) or the 78' tour you can see the music float around his body - it really is incredibly to watch the band back then even more so then the (1972) era Stones. Then band played with this great coolness and it shined, and Keith was the epicenter, the main nerve. He was 35 - 38. I guess he was playing his age. He can't and won't ever perform shows with such grace. Keith is almost 67, his fingers are @#$%& up, his brain probably battered and his nervous system is like an old carburetor; has had some very serious family ordeals to face and still managed to write his on own life story for us to read ( yeah for a great bag of gold) and he is going to go out there and rock n roll one last time and we will all go out and pay to see him. Why? Because we are a bunch of Stones Fanatics hoping for a miracle - one last drop of magic.
I really hope there is a chapter on this arthritis issue in the book, otherwise I will be very disappointed.
I really hope there is a chapter on this arthritis issue in the book, otherwise I will be very disappointed.
Re: Is Keith Richards Weak Link Of Stones? Should He Retire?
Posted by:
Bliss
()
Date: October 1, 2010 14:21
If there is a weak link, performance-wise, yes, it is Keith. But no, he shouldn't retire. His presence is needed onstage to complete the Stones. They can make adjustments as required to compensate for his diminished abilities. In any case, he can still write and sing pretty much as ever, as far as the last 30 years go.
Re: Is Keith Richards Weak Link Of Stones? Should He Retire?
Posted by:
straycatuk
()
Date: October 1, 2010 14:27
Some observations :
1. No Keith = No Stones.
2.No one knows if Keith is still picking up a guitar everyday or not. I don't mean electric guitar with a band,but the acoustic at side of the bed ,in the library etc.
3.His decline with the artritis wasn't any worst on the 1st legs of ABB tour than it was on Licks.I would gladly like to see the Keith of the Rio or Saitama gigs anyday.
4.his inability to keep it together was more apparent after his accident , for some reason even worst when they came back for the 2007 gigs. He was even f**king up easy to play favs YGMR,RJ,and couldn't remember the intro to Beast of Burden at the o2. Some heart breaking clips can still be found on youtube.
5. It all depends, IMHO on how well his brain has recovered from an injury which seems to be very similar to a stroke.His reported sobriety can only be a good thing.Only he knows.
I hope he bounces back.
sc uk
1. No Keith = No Stones.
2.No one knows if Keith is still picking up a guitar everyday or not. I don't mean electric guitar with a band,but the acoustic at side of the bed ,in the library etc.
3.His decline with the artritis wasn't any worst on the 1st legs of ABB tour than it was on Licks.I would gladly like to see the Keith of the Rio or Saitama gigs anyday.
4.his inability to keep it together was more apparent after his accident , for some reason even worst when they came back for the 2007 gigs. He was even f**king up easy to play favs YGMR,RJ,and couldn't remember the intro to Beast of Burden at the o2. Some heart breaking clips can still be found on youtube.
5. It all depends, IMHO on how well his brain has recovered from an injury which seems to be very similar to a stroke.His reported sobriety can only be a good thing.Only he knows.
I hope he bounces back.
sc uk
Re: Is Keith Richards Weak Link Of Stones? Should He Retire?
Posted by:
Spud
()
Date: October 1, 2010 15:53
Came back too soon... simple as that.
I think he'll be in better nick next time out.
Keith has always been capable of the odd train wreck ..health/age related or otherwise.
His approach to playing is to "wing it". That's never changed and is never likely to.
He uses exactly the same approach when recording...but with recording you can throw away the takes that didn't come off ;^)
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2010-10-01 16:04 by Spud.
I think he'll be in better nick next time out.
Keith has always been capable of the odd train wreck ..health/age related or otherwise.
His approach to playing is to "wing it". That's never changed and is never likely to.
He uses exactly the same approach when recording...but with recording you can throw away the takes that didn't come off ;^)
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2010-10-01 16:04 by Spud.
Re: Is Keith Richards Weak Link Of Stones? Should He Retire?
Posted by:
Father Ted
()
Date: October 1, 2010 16:18
To be honest, I don't mind if he goes out on a slightly low note. He has made a massive contribution to rock music over five decades and helped create some of the best music ever heard... I think he can be forgiven for a few years of less than brilliant performances. The bang to the noggin won't have helped him and there's not much you can do about arthritis but that's getting old for you. He has to play with the Stones til the end or they call it a day if he retires.
Re: Is Keith Richards Weak Link Of Stones? Should He Retire?
Posted by:
Altefutze
()
Date: October 1, 2010 16:27
Quote
stonescrow
Before you crucify me for even having such thoughts please allow me to explain. I am not a musician. My approach to music is very simplistic, when I listen, I either like it or I don't, It either moves me, or it doesn't. Unless it is so ridiculously obvious I wouldn't know bad playing from good playing. So, when I hear people on this list complain about Keith or Ronnie's playing I honestly have no idea whether what they are saying is valid or invalid.
In 2006 I attended the Stones concert at Qwest Field here in Seattle with three friends, (none of them musicians, but huge Stones fans). Although I thought the volume was cranked up way to high that evening I thought the band sounded great, however, one of my friends totally disagreed explaining that Keith had been "getting lost" (I think I know what that means) all night.
Buddy you need to assume room tempature for even having this thought process. Where is the Gestapo when you need them.
Since I have joined this list I have heard numerous complaints about how bad Keith was for the final leg of ABB in Europe in '07. I have also heard numerous complaints about Ronnie Wood and how much better Mick Taylor was/is than him, although it seems that some of those complaints might be tempered with the release of Ronnie's new album. Personally I am not a fan of Ronnie Wood, but that has nothing to do with his playing, more about his behavior over the last year or so.
I guess what I am driving at here is, do you think that Keith has become the weak link of the Stones? Is it true that he can no longer play at an acceptable level? If so, do you not think that the *honorable* thing for him to do would be to admit that he can no longer play or perform at the level required and therefore announce his retirement from the band?
Re: Is Keith Richards Weak Link Of Stones? Should He Retire?
Posted by:
Altefutze
()
Date: October 1, 2010 16:30
Quote
stonescrow
Before you crucify me for even having such thoughts please allow me to explain. I am not a musician. My approach to music is very simplistic, when I listen, I either like it or I don't, It either moves me, or it doesn't. Unless it is so ridiculously obvious I wouldn't know bad playing from good playing. So, when I hear people on this list complain about Keith or Ronnie's playing I honestly have no idea whether what they are saying is valid or invalid.
In 2006 I attended the Stones concert at Qwest Field here in Seattle with three friends, (none of them musicians, but huge Stones fans). Although I thought the volume was cranked up way to high that evening I thought the band sounded great, however, one of my friends totally disagreed explaining that Keith had been "getting lost" (I think I know what that means) all night.
These people actually walk among us.Stop wasting our air.
Since I have joined this list I have heard numerous complaints about how bad Keith was for the final leg of ABB in Europe in '07. I have also heard numerous complaints about Ronnie Wood and how much better Mick Taylor was/is than him, although it seems that some of those complaints might be tempered with the release of Ronnie's new album. Personally I am not a fan of Ronnie Wood, but that has nothing to do with his playing, more about his behavior over the last year or so.
I guess what I am driving at here is, do you think that Keith has become the weak link of the Stones? Is it true that he can no longer play at an acceptable level? If so, do you not think that the *honorable* thing for him to do would be to admit that he can no longer play or perform at the level required and therefore announce his retirement from the band?
Re: Is Keith Richards Weak Link Of Stones? Should He Retire?
Posted by:
skipstone
()
Date: October 1, 2010 17:25
Hey futze, why yous quoted it twiced?
Re: Is Keith Richards Weak Link Of Stones? Should He Retire?
Posted by:
varv
()
Date: October 1, 2010 17:25
Yes, Keith should leave the Stones. Right after Bob leaves Dylan,Paul breaks up with McCartney,and Jesus quits Christ.
Re: Is Keith Richards Weak Link Of Stones? Should He Retire?
Posted by:
dcba
()
Date: October 1, 2010 19:28
Quote
The Greek
it's the artritis . it's just to painfull
It is but it's curable. Like any disease in "is" it means it's an inflammation of the body. Booze and cigs being the main culprits... Maybe it's time for Keith to clean up his act if he wants to have a creative 70's.
Re: Is Keith Richards Weak Link Of Stones? Should He Retire?
Posted by:
kleermaker
()
Date: October 1, 2010 19:49
Quote
dcbaQuote
The Greek
it's the artritis . it's just to painfull
It is but it's curable. Like any disease in "is" it means it's an inflammation of the body
Like any disease with the suffix "itis".
Re: Is Keith Richards Weak Link Of Stones? Should He Retire?
Posted by:
phd
()
Date: October 1, 2010 20:42
This question is just silly.
Re: Is Keith Richards Weak Link Of Stones? Should He Retire?
Posted by:
stargroover
()
Date: October 1, 2010 21:03
The sad fact is that Keith is the weak link.His playing has gone downhill and he is going to struggle with any gigs.He looks way out of shape.Sad but true.Yes he was the coolest guy on the planet.Sadly he is now a walking embarassment.
Yes they will tour.And the motivation will be the mega dollars.But will the punters all be so stupid to pay big money to watch Keith in a sad state?Sure there will always be those fans who will pay even if he walks on stage.But for me,the "look I am Keith Richards" pay me mega books whether I can play or not is just something I won't do.
It all ended in Buenos Aires for me,last time round.They were top of their game.The last show after that was Paris,and Keef was in bad shape.It's over.Save your pennies for your kids and grandkids.
Yes they will tour.And the motivation will be the mega dollars.But will the punters all be so stupid to pay big money to watch Keith in a sad state?Sure there will always be those fans who will pay even if he walks on stage.But for me,the "look I am Keith Richards" pay me mega books whether I can play or not is just something I won't do.
It all ended in Buenos Aires for me,last time round.They were top of their game.The last show after that was Paris,and Keef was in bad shape.It's over.Save your pennies for your kids and grandkids.
Re: Is Keith Richards Weak Link Of Stones? Should He Retire?
Posted by:
Rockman
()
Date: October 1, 2010 23:04
Save your pennies for your kids and grandkids.
WHY?? .... So they might get a chance ta see Justin Bieber in his twilight years...
ROCKMAN
WHY?? .... So they might get a chance ta see Justin Bieber in his twilight years...
ROCKMAN
Re: Is Keith Richards Weak Link Of Stones? Should He Retire?
Posted by:
BrianJones1969
()
Date: October 1, 2010 23:51
I think the whole band should call it quits. They were never really the same after Brian Jones's passing in 1969, even though he'd been fired one month earlier.
~Ben
~Ben
Re: Is Keith Richards Weak Link Of Stones? Should He Retire?
Posted by:
StonesTod
()
Date: October 1, 2010 23:56
Quote
straycatuk
2.No one knows if Keith is still picking up a guitar everyday or not.
perhaps not. but he himself has said it that he rarely plays anymore. not sure why he'd say that if not true.
Re: Is Keith Richards Weak Link Of Stones? Should He Retire?
Posted by:
stoneswashed77
()
Date: October 2, 2010 00:02
i am not sure why he says that at all, true or not true.
Re: Is Keith Richards Weak Link Of Stones? Should He Retire?
Posted by:
tumbled
()
Date: October 2, 2010 00:23
My .02 cents. (.01 cent after inflation) No he should not retire.
see quote: "The idea of retiring is like killing yourself. It's almost like Hari Kari. I intend to live to a 100 and go down in history." - KR to the Beeb in 2005
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see quote: "The idea of retiring is like killing yourself. It's almost like Hari Kari. I intend to live to a 100 and go down in history." - KR to the Beeb in 2005
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2010-10-02 00:25 by tumbled.
Re: Is Keith Richards Weak Link Of Stones? Should He Retire?
Posted by:
slew
()
Date: October 2, 2010 02:29
I do not like this thread. If Keith is a wink link then the Rolling Stones should call it a day!!! No Mick, No Keith, No Charlie - the there is no Stones!
Period!!!
Period!!!
Re: Is Keith Richards Weak Link Of Stones? Should He Retire?
Posted by:
ablett
()
Date: October 2, 2010 02:34
exactly....
Re: Is Keith Richards Weak Link Of Stones? Should He Retire?
Posted by:
pftw04
()
Date: October 2, 2010 06:27
I feel that i read over here that Keith's gonna perform with faces in the month of Dec. So lets wait and see how he performs with them before jumping into a conclusion. But over all he looks fit
Re: Is Keith Richards Weak Link Of Stones? Should He Retire?
Posted by:
Ale67
()
Date: October 2, 2010 16:56
Quote
kleermakerQuote
dcbaQuote
The Greek
it's the artritis . it's just to painfull
It is but it's curable. Like any disease in "is" it means it's an inflammation of the body
Like any disease with the suffix "itis".
Guys, let a very old woman son speak; when artritis deforms fingers, is not curable anymore.
Keith's fingers are deformed since the 90s...
Let's hope for the best, but it's a very very hard task to play again, top level.
Alex
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2010-10-02 16:57 by Ale67.
Re: Is Keith Richards Weak Link Of Stones? Should He Retire?
Posted by:
skinrichards
()
Date: October 2, 2010 23:35
it wouldn't matter to me if they started doing folky acoustic stuff in their wheelchairs, I would still want to hear anything keith is doing. Don't stir up ignorant slop man. Keith is and always was, and will be the heart and soul of the stones. You have to really understand what they stand for to get it. These guys will play until someone goes down, get it? They are not like other rock bands.
Also, I was at seattle qwest field show, keith played very well, and incredible sound for a stadium. people like you are the weak link if you ask me.clueless, the stones without keith, what planet do you live on anyway
Also, I was at seattle qwest field show, keith played very well, and incredible sound for a stadium. people like you are the weak link if you ask me.clueless, the stones without keith, what planet do you live on anyway
Re: Is Keith Richards Weak Link Of Stones? Should He Retire?
Posted by:
Beelyboy
()
Date: October 2, 2010 23:52
keith is fine. you don't put a show horse thoroughbred in a small ring at a circus for thirty years and expect anything else. he shows up. how disorienting it must be for him....nothing played is connected to anything's he's written recently or for the last...uh....quarter century plus...or thereabouts....it's a stage show. he's an actor. he shows up and says what he's supposed to say...after awhile some fans can maybe begin to see that sycophant fans kill the band as surely as does the band's greed and hatred for each other in the midst of not really celebrating the creative process...some 'shows' are good relatively...there's that great rush for a bit...that's all ur gonna get until the stones themselves are really invested in performance of material they believe in; stand by...care about...care about sharing and projecting with some degree of heart, ego and rep on the line....
it's a pay check. even if they mean really well...u know...what's gonna happen all of a sudden? it's gonna turn into something completely clicking when no one really gives a shit beyond sufficient degree of professionalism to put on the circus and then get the elephants into the truck....?? auto pilot baby...a drag. i mean he could take the responsibility of bringing fresh approaches but probably no ones gonna encourage or even allow it to the point where it's best to just let the corporation do what it does...and have something good squeaks out...well there it is....
it's a pay check. even if they mean really well...u know...what's gonna happen all of a sudden? it's gonna turn into something completely clicking when no one really gives a shit beyond sufficient degree of professionalism to put on the circus and then get the elephants into the truck....?? auto pilot baby...a drag. i mean he could take the responsibility of bringing fresh approaches but probably no ones gonna encourage or even allow it to the point where it's best to just let the corporation do what it does...and have something good squeaks out...well there it is....
Re: Is Keith Richards Weak Link Of Stones? Should He Retire?
Posted by:
Ale67
()
Date: October 2, 2010 23:55
Quote
skinrichards
it wouldn't matter to me if they started doing folky acoustic stuff in their wheelchairs, I would still want to hear anything keith is doing. Don't stir up ignorant slop man. Keith is and always was, and will be the heart and soul of the stones. You have to really understand what they stand for to get it. These guys will play until someone goes down, get it? They are not like other rock bands.
Also, I was at seattle qwest field show, keith played very well, and incredible sound for a stadium. people like you are the weak link if you ask me.clueless, the stones without keith, what planet do you live on anyway
A real elegant gentleman, this "skinrichards"...
Who do you think you are to offend me?
The jerks mother is always pregnant, that's for sure.
Alex
Re: Is Keith Richards Weak Link Of Stones? Should He Retire?
Posted by:
stonescrow
()
Date: October 4, 2010 00:36
Quote
skinrichards
it wouldn't matter to me if they started doing folky acoustic stuff in their wheelchairs, I would still want to hear anything keith is doing. Don't stir up ignorant slop man. Keith is and always was, and will be the heart and soul of the stones. You have to really understand what they stand for to get it. These guys will play until someone goes down, get it? They are not like other rock bands.
Also, I was at seattle qwest field show, keith played very well, and incredible sound for a stadium. people like you are the weak link if you ask me.clueless, the stones without keith, what planet do you live on anyway
No need to be insulting. We all love Keith, however, there are many on this list who sincerely believe his skills have declined, even significantly so. As I stated I wouldn't know good playing from bad playing, so therefore the questions. My "hooks" can be a little sensational or "over the top" at times, but sometimes thats what it takes to get people interested enough to respond. I can guarantee you one thing nothing that is said around here would phase Keith in the least, he's as tough as rawhide.
Re: Is Keith Richards Weak Link Of Stones? Should He Retire?
Posted by:
stonescrow
()
Date: October 4, 2010 00:41
Quote
71TeleQuote
stonescrow
Before you crucify me for even having such thoughts please allow me to explain. I am not a musician. My approach to music is very simplistic, when I listen, I either like it or I don't, It either moves me, or it doesn't. Unless it is so ridiculously obvious I wouldn't know bad playing from good playing. So, when I hear people on this list complain about Keith or Ronnie's playing I honestly have no idea whether what they are saying is valid or invalid.
In 2006 I attended the Stones concert at Qwest Field here in Seattle with three friends, (none of them musicians, but huge Stones fans). Although I thought the volume was cranked up way to high that evening I thought the band sounded great, however, one of my friends totally disagreed explaining that Keith had been "getting lost" (I think I know what that means) all night.
Since I have joined this list I have heard numerous complaints about how bad Keith was for the final leg of ABB in Europe in '07. I have also heard numerous complaints about Ronnie Wood and how much better Mick Taylor was/is than him, although it seems that some of those complaints might be tempered with the release of Ronnie's new album. Personally I am not a fan of Ronnie Wood, but that has nothing to do with his playing, more about his behavior over the last year or so.
I guess what I am driving at here is, do you think that Keith has become the weak link of the Stones? Is it true that he can no longer play at an acceptable level? If so, do you not think that the *honorable* thing for him to do would be to admit that he can no longer play or perform at the level required and therefore announce his retirement from the band?
I was at that Qwest Field show and it was a good indication of where things would go if Keith got any worse. Hopefully that won't happen, but he has definitely lost several mph on his fastball.
Just curious, what did you think of the overall sound of the band in '06? I thought they sounded great only that it was just to friggen loud for my ears.
Re: Is Keith Richards Weak Link Of Stones? Should He Retire?
Posted by:
skipstone
()
Date: October 4, 2010 01:20
HA! It's actually gotten past being to "believe his skills have declined" when in fact they have!!! It is fact, not belief.
And so what. The real issue? It's the integrity (ha ha) that is suffering regarding ticket prices regarding performance. That should be the main issue - not how he looks but how he plays: is it worth paying $300 or more PER TICKET for that?
HELL NO. Not me.
And so what. The real issue? It's the integrity (ha ha) that is suffering regarding ticket prices regarding performance. That should be the main issue - not how he looks but how he plays: is it worth paying $300 or more PER TICKET for that?
HELL NO. Not me.
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