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Lol..interesting to see this thread still puttering along, and not surprising that Doxa (drunk again?) has written another useless diatribe aimed at various members here including myself.
I didn't get past the first small paragraph though because I realize it was trollish bait hoping for a reply, but seems clear when certain people don't like the commentary or argument made, they resort to personal attacks.
And then there's the cheerleaders who cannot accept anyone else's opinion, and when they don't like what they read the lash out in typical hate-filled fashion.
Doxa (drunk again?) and the cheerleaders just can't seems to handle any criticism of their heroes - I'd call it childish and pathetic behavior - even psychotic - but then I'd be stooping down to that level.
I try to keep my posts focused on the Stones and their music vs. turning it all in to a soap opera at the kindergarten level, but if and when I'm called out (for simply critiquing the band), I'll no doubt be ready to reply.

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Chris Fountain
From a post above:

"Hairball's stuff is especially not just childish but pathetic,"

No offense, but I would have to disagree with this assessment. Actually, his posts are entertaining and the sense of humor is enjoyable. Also he is polite.

Instead of citing folk's names wouldn't it be better just to respond to their posts? Wouldn't that be fair?

Just asking -

Thanks Chris - the feeling is mutual.
Some of us know not to take this all too seriously, how to separate our heroes from reality, and how to maintain a civilized conversation w/out turning in to personal attacks.

As for citing names rather than a direct reply to that person, it's called being an absolute coward, and Doxa has been known to write like that.
Whether he realizes or not - it's kindergarten level.

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Sorry for the edit, but this is such a fantastic analysis.. not only of the different versions but of the rationale/strategy behind them.

"..but a campaign for the Stones."
Indeed.

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Chris Fountain
Hairball I have been on this site for 15 years and your stat says 16 years ...


I'm speculating that this forum actually went back to 2003 or 2002? ... I think a good mile post would be the HBO Special, which we knew as a consensus that Thursday night's show at MSG was superior to the broadcast on Friday Night. (Licks Tour) That year was 2004?

Anyway, a lot of folks have come and gone and I cannot recall one incident with ya!!

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Sorry for the edit, but this is such a fantastic analysis.. not only of the different versions but of the rationale/strategy behind them.

"..but a campaign for the Stones."
Indeed.

Thanks. Actually you quoted me perfectly - just took the stuff out that actually had some kind of substantive to say for the thread. The rest of my post was basically taking out of my chest the frustration that reading IORR sometimes does. Especially having spend a week at hospital (finally getting back home yesterday) - that said, listening new Stones stuff through my headphones via mobile while lying in a hospital bed was such a relief, one of the very few pleasures I had there. But reading IORR not...

- Doxa

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MisterDDDD


Sorry for the edit, but this is such a fantastic analysis.. not only of the different versions but of the rationale/strategy behind them.

"..but a campaign for the Stones."
Indeed.

Thanks. Actually you quoted me perfectly - just took the stuff out that actually had some kind of substantive to say for the thread. The rest of my post was basically taking out of my chest the frustration that reading IORR sometimes does. Especially having spend a week at hospital (finally getting back home yesterday) - that said, listening new Stones stuff through my headphones via mobile while lying in a hospital bed was such a relief, one of the very few pleasures I had there. But reading IORR not...

- Doxa

Well there is no one in this forum that does not wish you to get completely well!!!!!

I do not know your medical situation and the tiresome of a Hospital visit and should be discreet.

I think it is understandable for frustration as this pandemic and political craziness as stifled our perspective or analytical views.

No harm is done to anyone - Let's stay uniformed in our discussions as we all have been through this pandemic journey together.

Hey- We might have been the luckiest generation to share the same earth. More on this later... Deserves a thread; Why? to discuss the comparisons of which was the greatest generation!

Get Well!

Respectively -Chris

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Thanks. Actually you quoted me perfectly - just took the stuff out that actually had some kind of substantive to say for the thread. The rest of my post was basically taking out of my chest the frustration that reading IORR sometimes does. Especially having spend a week at hospital (finally getting back home yesterday) - that said, listening new Stones stuff through my headphones via mobile while lying in a hospital bed was such a relief, one of the very few pleasures I had there. But reading IORR not...

- Doxa

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rollmops
Is it fair to think that if it were not for the Covid-19 situation, we would have had a "Scarlet" with Charlie&Darryl?
Rockandroll,
Mops

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How about a three posts per thread rule. Would be a lot less bs on the site.

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The childish behavior by certain folks here amazes me. They take everything the Stones do or relaese being personally targeted at them, and oh man, if the thing doesn't meet expectations (laid by their long prejudiced, conservative one track undertanding of what the Stones should do) they make a shitstorm, and cry like little babies not having gotten the candy one wants. Hairball's stuff is especially not just childish but pathetic, but there is nothing newsworthy there. Well, now how he speaks of what Keith Richards thinks, so maybe that one.

Those who don't things so personally and small-mindly, and are not so full of themselves of their individual taste, might see certain features in the doings of world's greatest rock and roll band in 2020. They keep us surprised (so it is no wonder that some of their moves are shocking to the people who mentally live still in the last century).

The band and their record company is seriously trying to take care of their legacy. That of keeping happy people who got first laid when "Honky Tonk Women", "Angie" or "Miss You" were on the charts is not the only way to do that. Those people are treated with expensive deluxe albums, boxes and whatever. They have the biggest wallet out there, and, as we have seen, they are targeted by not just by the Stones but by any classic artist while this audience still is alive. They are the 'useful idiots', if anyone, of record companies nowadays.

But it would be short-sighted just to milk that, already won, crowd out. They are soon gone. What we are wittnessing at the moment in music industry has been the biggest change since vinyl album took over. For legacy artists as the Stones that really is a huge challenge. Their recent home - and it sounds like that it is their home for good, since the record company in their 2018 renewed deal also control their merchandise - seems to take especially good care of one of their most expensive and valuable artists. They know that tomorrows's income is based on the habits of the costumers, that of online service as far as music is concerned. The most important feature is stood out there, to know that you exist, that you are acknowledged.

The campaign for "Scarlet", a rejected out-take from the past with no any hit potential in today's streaming business, is not just a campaign to make the song known or people to get ready to open up their wallets for GOATS HEAD SOUP deluxe version, but a campaign for the Stones. What is novel here is the variance by which it comes.

The first it was released as the conservative old rock generation in mind, being as authentic as possible, the video especially empahasing the authentic vaults feel of it - something both Jagger and Page were promoting in their interviews. It was like with EXILE, SOME GIRLS and STICKY FINGERS deluxe campaigns - pure nostalgy is enough.

But then they did something different: they released a video with a fresh actor that totally contradicted with the nostalgia. Like they already had done with "Criss Cross". It was clear that they had a totally different target audience in their mind in doing so.

And that was not enough. They came up and released a re-mix version of the song that neither was based on nostalgia or 'historical authenticity' but just done by the leading idea: let it sound as good as it can be not by the standards of 70's but today's rock world, but as any new rock song one could hear in a radio. To hear its goodness one didn't need the glasses of professor of 70's rock music in anthropology, but just dig as it is, with no explanations.

As we have seen these two latest moves clearly escaped the boundaries of imagination of certain deep Stones fanbase. I guess a certain kind of purism is heavily involved among the people like that. Like their legacy - we hear these folks say - is now destroyed by these two moves - and like there any longer doesn't exist the 'original' video or mix - the ones targeted at them. No, they want purism. They want it all. Just me, me, me. Today's pluralism, asking tolerance, is too much for them to stomach.

I don't know. When I am offered a tongue socks, or a box full of whatever kind of books, posters, photos, trillions CDs, the latest show of their 1989 started never-ending-tour, or a 'meet & greet' with the band for 1500 bucks, I don't feel personally offended by these offers. I just feel I am not really a target crowd of that stuff, but there surely are people who are. Neither I am not going cry out that this is 'ridiculous' or 'crap' or 'imbesilic'. I advice anyone so concerned about ridiculousness in regard to just some video or a re-mix by which the Stones are trying to do something out of their safe box, to buy a mirror to see a great example of that. I don't think the biggest rock band in the world do everything just me and my taste in mind. Had they've done, they had died decades ago. And if I had felt offended by not them doing everything the way I want them to do, I would have checked myself out a long time ago (actually many smart people have done that).

Like a kindergarten this place is sometimes. People behaving like spoiled kids. I understand Rocky Dijon's decision way too well. But shit, I miss him.

- Doxa

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The self-importance of some people around here (yes you Doxa), along with their odd desire to self appoint themselves as some sort of moderator (yes, you again Doxa),
not to mention their misguided thoughts that they're some wise old sage who knows better than anyone (that's right, Doxa), and then takes so much time and space trying to correct things they perceive as wrong (Doxa)....
Its truly baffling and ridiculous...to think that a rock and roll forum can get some people so worked up...makes you wonder how irrational they are in real life when the topic happens to be politics or religion...some people are simply irrational, and lash out when not everyone thinks the same way they do - it's the cause of violence and wars and the root of evil. They really need to relax, act a bit more rational and civilized, and live and let live.