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I agree and I rarely bash on Stones stuff... but...
This is one of those songs I remember from my back in the day and I recall it being WAAAAY over played on the radio and I thought it sucked back then, it was slow and boring and somehow I was stuck with a group of "people" who also waaaaay overplayed it at parties (along with Framton comes alive)(another one I still cant stand)(two horrors of 1976)
...
And to this day I still wonder why the record company, or the band, or anyone, would ever imagine that putting this song out as a single would be good for the band or album sales or anything or anybody.
I also remember back in the day, when the story came out that Keith fell asleep onstage while playing it, I laughed my ass off and said to those Frampton / FTC people "SEE!! even Keith hates it!".
It's simply not one of their better songs.
I agree. It's one of their bravest singles. Fabulous!
It's no where near - not even in the same galaxy - as Streets Of Love, Following The River, Always Suffering and Already Over Me.
Those are horrendous. Fool To Cry is killer.
Always loved it. A good, catchy soul ballad. The live versions were even better.
But maybe it is a time machine thing... maybe they created the song and then went back in time and were crying about it and someone's daughter asked him why he is crying and he answered because we made such a bad song about crying...
Which came first Daddy, the crying or the song about the crying??
LOL
His daughter?
From timeisonourside.com:
«It's surprising, isn't it? It's the family side. Well, it IS true, the Stones ARE getting on, and have done it with a lot of girls and what could be surprising if you've got children, eh? At the end! Keith's had SO many, I don't know... and other girls have claimed that they've got my baby and it's not true»...
- Mick Jagger, 1976
«This dates from the period when I had a young child, my daughter Jade, around a lot, calling me daddy and all that. It's another of our heartmelting ballads, a bit long and waffly at the end maybe, but I like it».
- Mick Jagger, 1993
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2017-06-19 09:59 by DandelionPowderman.
It's probably the first time where Mick Jagger sounds like an actual grownup on record, probably for his daughter, years ahead of when John Lennon was singing his "Beautiful Boy" ballad to his son.
Even rock stars can be loving parents, too!
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Re: Track Talk: Fool To Cry
Posted by:
everwest1
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Date: August 25, 2015 18:51
The Keith falling asleep story is the only good thing about this song.
"Hand of Fate" would have been a better choice for a single from this album.
"Hand of Fate" would have been a better choice for a single from this album.
Re: Track Talk: Fool To Cry
Posted by:
pepganzo
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Date: August 25, 2015 22:04
I love the outro of this song. But fool to cry is too long.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2015-08-25 22:10 by pepganzo.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2015-08-25 22:10 by pepganzo.
Re: Track Talk: Fool To Cry
Posted by:
fyp933
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Date: August 26, 2015 04:13
don't like it, never have. always made a point to skip over it when I played the lp.
when I put Black And Blue on my ipod I replaced it with Worried About You.
I also started with Slave, kept Hot Stuff for a funky 1 2 start, making Black And Blue 9 songs but that's another discussion for another thread.
when I put Black And Blue on my ipod I replaced it with Worried About You.
I also started with Slave, kept Hot Stuff for a funky 1 2 start, making Black And Blue 9 songs but that's another discussion for another thread.
Re: Track Talk: Fool To Cry
Posted by:
everwest1
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Date: August 26, 2015 06:24
Quote
fyp933
don't like it, never have. always made a point to skip over it when I played the lp.
when I put Black And Blue on my ipod I replaced it with Worried About You.
I also started with Slave, kept Hot Stuff for a funky 1 2 start, making Black And Blue 9 songs but that's another discussion for another thread.
I agree and I rarely bash on Stones stuff... but...
This is one of those songs I remember from my back in the day and I recall it being WAAAAY over played on the radio and I thought it sucked back then, it was slow and boring and somehow I was stuck with a group of "people" who also waaaaay overplayed it at parties (along with Framton comes alive)(another one I still cant stand)(two horrors of 1976)
...And to this day I still wonder why the record company, or the band, or anyone, would ever imagine that putting this song out as a single would be good for the band or album sales or anything or anybody.
I also remember back in the day, when the story came out that Keith fell asleep onstage while playing it, I laughed my ass off and said to those Frampton / FTC people "SEE!! even Keith hates it!".
Re: Track Talk: Fool To Cry
Posted by:
woodyweaving
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Date: August 26, 2015 07:15
I actually enjoy the first part of the song but get lost at the break towards the end. I don't know who mentioned it earlier (about the earlier take that runs around 6 minutes) but I actually really enjoy that version more. Quality take.
Re: Track Talk: Fool To Cry
Posted by:
saltoftheearth
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Date: August 26, 2015 10:26
A lighlight of the 1976 Tour of Europe!! (not only during the concerts where they did not Play 'Angie' but during the others as well because 'Angie' was not very well performed).
Re: Track Talk: Fool To Cry
Posted by:
Chris Fountain
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Date: August 26, 2015 12:55
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DandelionPowdermanQuote
Chris Fountain
This could possibly be the worst song in their catalog. Even the lyrics are horrible.
If you have kids they're not THAT horrible?
It's simply not one of their better songs.
Re: Track Talk: Fool To Cry
Posted by:
Redhotcarpet
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Date: August 26, 2015 13:54
I like it and i think mick was brave
Re: Track Talk: Fool To Cry
Posted by:
Chris Fountain
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Date: August 26, 2015 14:02
I recommend mental therapy to anyone deeming this song favorable. This song really gets on my nerves.
Re: Track Talk: Fool To Cry
Posted by:
Chris Fountain
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Date: August 26, 2015 14:07
This song should be given the death penalty without any court of law.
Re: Track Talk: Fool To Cry
Posted by:
HMS
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Date: August 26, 2015 14:43
It´s horrible, nothing more to be said about that song. I wish FTC wouldn´t exist at all. It´s a crying shame.
Re: Track Talk: Fool To Cry
Posted by:
GetYerAngie
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Date: August 26, 2015 14:52
Quote
Redhotcarpet
I like it and i think mick was brave
I agree. It's one of their bravest singles. Fabulous!
Re: Track Talk: Fool To Cry
Posted by:
GasLightStreet
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Date: August 26, 2015 18:55
Quote
Chris FountainQuote
DandelionPowdermanQuote
Chris Fountain
This could possibly be the worst song in their catalog. Even the lyrics are horrible.
If you have kids they're not THAT horrible?
It's simply not one of their better songs.
It's no where near - not even in the same galaxy - as Streets Of Love, Following The River, Always Suffering and Already Over Me.
Those are horrendous. Fool To Cry is killer.
Re: Track Talk: Fool To Cry
Posted by:
GasLightStreet
()
Date: August 26, 2015 18:59
Wow. A lot of hate and dislike for something the Stones did to break up the rock band they'd been and to do something different that's good. It's not like they were being too trendy behind the curve like they were on BRIDGES TO BABYLON or DIRTY WORK, which were songs just to be different, not to be interesting or good.
Haters gonna hate! Afraid of change! They want the same ol' thang.
Haters gonna hate! Afraid of change! They want the same ol' thang.
Re: Track Talk: Fool To Cry
Posted by:
filstan
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Date: August 26, 2015 20:13
I find it amazing that FTC is such a polarizing song amoungst us fans, unless some are just pouring gas on the fire. Again, I just think that long outtake of FTC is fantastic. GasLightStreet thanks for carrying the flag.
Re: Track Talk: Fool To Cry
Posted by:
GetYerAngie
()
Date: August 26, 2015 21:28
Quote
GasLightStreet
Wow. A lot of hate and dislike for something the Stones did to break up the rock band they'd been and to do something different that's good. It's not like they were being too trendy behind the curve like they were on BRIDGES TO BABYLON or DIRTY WORK, which were songs just to be different, not to be interesting or good.
Haters gonna hate! Afraid of change! They want the same ol' thang.
Re: Track Talk: Fool To Cry
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
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Date: August 26, 2015 21:32
Quote
Chris Fountain
This song should be given the death penalty without any court of law.
Always loved it. A good, catchy soul ballad. The live versions were even better.
Re: Track Talk: Fool To Cry
Posted by:
Witness
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Date: August 26, 2015 21:58
I am another to be counted among those who do like "Fool to Cry".
Re: Track Talk: Fool To Cry
Posted by:
buttons67
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Date: August 27, 2015 01:29
fool to cry is a good song,
Re: Track Talk: Fool To Cry
Posted by:
everwest1
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Date: August 27, 2015 11:56
U U UUUUUOoooooooooh Danny yer a foooooooooo 2 cwwwyyyyyy.....
.....such a foooooo to cwwyyyyy and it maaaakes me wonder YYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!
.....such a foooooo to cwwyyyyy and it maaaakes me wonder YYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!
Re: Track Talk: Fool To Cry
Posted by:
everwest1
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Date: August 27, 2015 12:03
It is a crying shame.Quote
HMS
It´s horrible, nothing more to be said about that song. I wish FTC wouldn´t exist at all. It´s a crying shame.
But maybe it is a time machine thing... maybe they created the song and then went back in time and were crying about it and someone's daughter asked him why he is crying and he answered because we made such a bad song about crying...
Which came first Daddy, the crying or the song about the crying??
Re: Track Talk: Fool To Cry
Posted by:
micwer
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Date: June 18, 2017 22:31
Listening to Fool to Cry on Father's Day 2017 :-)
Did Jagger ever write/comment on what his inspiration was for this track? I'd be interested to know.
Did Jagger ever write/comment on what his inspiration was for this track? I'd be interested to know.
Re: Track Talk: Fool To Cry
Posted by:
Moonshine
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Date: June 18, 2017 22:48
Keith delivered some of the most understated leads lines of his career with some amazing subtleties.
Re: Track Talk: Fool To Cry
Posted by:
bigmac7895
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Date: June 19, 2017 04:43
Rewind 1971-1984 was my first Stones album. It had Fool To Cry on it, so naturally it grew on me because it was stuck in between great songs Beast of Burden and Waiting on a Friend. I thought it was the Stones trying to do Barry White.
Re: Track Talk: Fool To Cry
Posted by:
35love
()
Date: June 19, 2017 06:07
Quote
everwest1
U U UUUUUOoooooooooh Danny yer a foooooooooo 2 cwwwyyyyyy.....
.....such a foooooo to cwwyyyyy and it maaaakes me wonder YYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!
LOL
Re: Track Talk: Fool To Cry
Posted by:
Rockman
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Date: June 19, 2017 07:30
Is Danny a bit of a sook ??????????????
ROCKMAN
ROCKMAN
Re: Track Talk: Fool To Cry
Posted by:
Palace Revolution 2000
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Date: June 19, 2017 09:47
It's the "Streets of Love" of its day.
Re: Track Talk: Fool To Cry
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
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Date: June 19, 2017 09:57
Quote
micwer
Listening to Fool to Cry on Father's Day 2017 :-)
Did Jagger ever write/comment on what his inspiration was for this track? I'd be interested to know.
His daughter?
From timeisonourside.com:
«It's surprising, isn't it? It's the family side. Well, it IS true, the Stones ARE getting on, and have done it with a lot of girls and what could be surprising if you've got children, eh? At the end! Keith's had SO many, I don't know... and other girls have claimed that they've got my baby and it's not true»...
- Mick Jagger, 1976
«This dates from the period when I had a young child, my daughter Jade, around a lot, calling me daddy and all that. It's another of our heartmelting ballads, a bit long and waffly at the end maybe, but I like it».
- Mick Jagger, 1993
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2017-06-19 09:59 by DandelionPowderman.
Re: Track Talk: Fool To Cry
Posted by:
stonehearted
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Date: June 19, 2017 10:07
Yes, count me in as well, I've always liked it. No reason, I always just liked it.Quote
Witness
I am another to be counted among those who do like "Fool to Cry".
It's probably the first time where Mick Jagger sounds like an actual grownup on record, probably for his daughter, years ahead of when John Lennon was singing his "Beautiful Boy" ballad to his son.
Even rock stars can be loving parents, too!
Re: Track Talk: Fool To Cry
Posted by:
matxil
()
Date: June 19, 2017 11:02
It's alright, certainly one of the more pleasant songs on Black and Blue. Not a killer but it's okay, the "climax" sort of works.
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