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I'm pretty sure he was only referring to the outtakes, not the regular album.
I agree....and now it´s already gone.
Glad I listened to it...what was that remark by Jagger with this remix/remaster
"discussion" ?
Think he was polite,otherwise he must have pointed out more strongly the guy was talking crap.
Funny the hint towards Bob Marley´s remixed Legends Album...
Many pages on RS Italy are down at the moment.
You can download the interview here :
[www.megaupload.com]
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2010-02-02 17:41 by Massimo68.
...thank you so much !
Yes, I get that feeling as well.
Thank you!
Since Taylor left.
there is a mention of Keith but I don't think it has anything to do with the EOMS project. I think its more about something that happened a long time ago.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2010-02-03 00:19 by ryanpow.
Oh,and I thought Dick left in the early sixties...
This time you're wrong. But I can understand it, it's difficult, two identical familynames in the band for so long and we getting older.
Yes,that´s true...those Jones are confusing me as well....
Thank you!
me too--the outtakes are what I'm talking about. By being able to tell, I don't mean by comparing them to original (released) tracks, but simply by listening, will we be able to tell what instruments are not authentic on the prev. unreleased tracks. Vocals would really stand out; percussion may not, but still might. Still, I understand mick's motivation here to make the unreleased tracks somewhat more subtly listenable, even if I wouldn't do the same.
well, any remastering will sound somewhat different simply by default. Now, to try to make it sound different is another matter... I wish mick had been prompted to describe the different sound he went for. Hopefully, not simply to add bass.
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Re: Jagger : 48 minutes audio interview for RS magazine Italia (Exile content)
Posted by:
LieB
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Date: February 2, 2010 17:04
The interview seems unavailable by now. Or am I the only one getting a N/A message behind that link?
Bummer, because I really wanna hear the interview.
Bummer, because I really wanna hear the interview.
Re: Jagger : 48 minutes audio interview for RS magazine Italia (Exile content)
Posted by:
skipstone
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Date: February 2, 2010 17:04
Actually, when someone insists on something that is wrong being right and they are asked about it specifically and then STILL insist they are right - it's not crucifying him, it's just calling it for what it is.
Which is, the guy doesn't know what he's talking about. One would think, with the biggest push in recent history for remastered CDs being released, that it would be simple to remember.
Which is, the guy doesn't know what he's talking about. One would think, with the biggest push in recent history for remastered CDs being released, that it would be simple to remember.
Re: Jagger : 48 minutes audio interview for RS magazine Italia (Exile content)
Posted by:
71Tele
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Date: February 2, 2010 17:19
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Also, if he put percussion on the "new" tracks, perhaps the rumor of Taylor doing overdubs is true...
also, if he put percussion on the tracks, how much else will they be altered? And will we be able to tell? It seems like a shame to me, but it sounds like he enjoyed doing it!
I don't get the sense that the others were involved at all. Are they ever?
I'm pretty sure he was only referring to the outtakes, not the regular album.
Re: Jagger : 48 minutes audio interview for RS magazine Italia (Exile content)
Posted by:
shortfatfanny
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Date: February 2, 2010 17:35
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Also, if he put percussion on the "new" tracks, perhaps the rumor of Taylor doing overdubs is true...
also, if he put percussion on the tracks, how much else will they be altered? And will we be able to tell? It seems like a shame to me, but it sounds like he enjoyed doing it!
I don't get the sense that the others were involved at all. Are they ever?
I'm pretty sure he was only referring to the outtakes, not the regular album.
I agree....and now it´s already gone.
Glad I listened to it...what was that remark by Jagger with this remix/remaster
"discussion" ?
Think he was polite,otherwise he must have pointed out more strongly the guy was talking crap.
Funny the hint towards Bob Marley´s remixed Legends Album...
Re: Jagger : 48 minutes audio interview for RS magazine Italia (Exile content)
Posted by:
WorriedAboutYou
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Date: February 2, 2010 17:35
For anyone who missed the link (seems to be down now) or if you wanted an MP3, I've uploaded it here:
[dl.dropbox.com]
Enjoy.
[dl.dropbox.com]
Enjoy.
Re: Jagger : 48 minutes audio interview for RS magazine Italia (Exile content)
Posted by:
sweetcharmedlife
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Date: February 2, 2010 17:38
Seems like the Rolling Stones are down to just the Rolling Stone.
"It's just some friends of mine and they're busting down the door"
"It's just some friends of mine and they're busting down the door"
Re: Jagger : 48 minutes audio interview for RS magazine Italia (Exile content)
Posted by:
Massimo68
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Date: February 2, 2010 17:38
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LieB
The interview seems unavailable by now. Or am I the only one getting a N/A message behind that link?
Bummer, because I really wanna hear the interview.
Many pages on RS Italy are down at the moment.
You can download the interview here :
[www.megaupload.com]
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2010-02-02 17:41 by Massimo68.
Re: Jagger : 48 minutes audio interview for RS magazine Italia (Exile content)
Posted by:
shortfatfanny
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Date: February 2, 2010 17:39
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WorriedAboutYou
For anyone who missed the link (seems to be down now) or if you wanted an MP3, I've uploaded it here:
[dl.dropbox.com]
Enjoy.
...thank you so much !
Re: Jagger : 48 minutes audio interview for RS magazine Italia (Exile content)
Posted by:
71Tele
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Date: February 2, 2010 18:14
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sweetcharmedlife
Seems like the Rolling Stones are down to just the Rolling Stone.
Yes, I get that feeling as well.
Re: Jagger : 48 minutes audio interview for RS magazine Italia (Exile content)
Posted by:
stoneswashed77
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Date: February 2, 2010 18:26
yes and it seems like this is the case since the 70´s.
Re: Jagger : 48 minutes audio interview for RS magazine Italia (Exile content)
Posted by:
TrulyMicks
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Date: February 2, 2010 18:29
Thanks for posting this great interview. Mick seemed to really enjoy this task...cant wait to hear it!
Re: Jagger : 48 minutes audio interview for RS magazine Italia (Exile content)
Posted by:
Munichhilton
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Date: February 2, 2010 18:41
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LieB
The interview seems unavailable by now. Or am I the only one getting a N/A message behind that link?
Bummer, because I really wanna hear the interview.
Many pages on RS Italy are down at the moment.
You can download the interview here :
[www.megaupload.com]
Thank you!
Re: Jagger : 48 minutes audio interview for RS magazine Italia (Exile content)
Posted by:
novica
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Date: February 2, 2010 19:19
thank you all for uploading interview !!!
Re: Jagger : 48 minutes audio interview for RS magazine Italia (Exile content)
Posted by:
maumau
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Date: February 2, 2010 19:43
thanx for the file
Re: Jagger : 48 minutes audio interview for RS magazine Italia (Exile content)
Posted by:
T&A
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Date: February 2, 2010 22:20
i haven't listened to this and prolly won't - but am i to understand that mick never mentions what we've seen/read elsewhere (like RS mag) where keith and he were working on this project together? maybe the question never came up, but, that sounds a little odd - not one mention of his partner in crime?
Re: Jagger : 48 minutes audio interview for RS magazine Italia (Exile content)
Posted by:
SwayStones
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Date: February 2, 2010 22:21
I am listening to the beginning of the interview right now.
Thanks for the link ,Massimo !
I am a Frenchie ,as Mick affectionately called them in the Old Grey Whistle Test in 1977 .
Thanks for the link ,Massimo !
I am a Frenchie ,as Mick affectionately called them in the Old Grey Whistle Test in 1977 .
Re: Jagger : 48 minutes audio interview for RS magazine Italia (Exile content)
Posted by:
Rev. Robert W.
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Date: February 2, 2010 23:04
Very enjoyable interview, with Mick sounding admirably engaged by the archival/curatorial process. I agree that it's a shame that the interviewer was so interested in making (primarily) and soliciting (ugh, quite secondarily) more sweeping observations about the societal and aesthetic consequences of the Rolling Stones.
My sense was that the misunderstanding about the distinction between remixing and remastering and the Beatles' catalogue had to do with the Love project, which I believe was woven together from tracks remixed by Giles Martin. While the interviewer seemed to be alluding to that album, Jagger seemed to be thinking of the rest of the catalogue which was, of course, "merely" remastered.
Along these lines, it was interesting--if a bit unsettling--to hear Jagger suggest that, given the sonic alteration accompanying a remaster, that one could easily delve deeper and remix an album, and that the latter would perhaps be "better" in new formats--CDs and downloads--than the original. [More "original" spirit than the actual original?] There was a very interesting conversation to be had there and it didn't get developed at all because of the limitations of language and the interviewer's agenda.
For my own part, I was troubled by the news of overdubs added to historic outtakes and fragments. In these instances, I would prefer a straight historicist approach, with no after-the-fact additions--even at the expense of listenability.
More dispiriting yet was Jagger's observation that the remastering would alter the sound of the vinyl Exile. I can see fiddling with the master--or even the mix--to make downloads sound more like 1972 vinyl, but why not make new vinyl editions identical to the 1972 edition? Isn't that the irrefutable reference point for the work?
Picks for the day: "I'm Alright," "Factory Girl," "Hide Your Love," "Slave," "Fancy Man Blues" and "You Can't Always Get What You Want" (Live Licks)
My sense was that the misunderstanding about the distinction between remixing and remastering and the Beatles' catalogue had to do with the Love project, which I believe was woven together from tracks remixed by Giles Martin. While the interviewer seemed to be alluding to that album, Jagger seemed to be thinking of the rest of the catalogue which was, of course, "merely" remastered.
Along these lines, it was interesting--if a bit unsettling--to hear Jagger suggest that, given the sonic alteration accompanying a remaster, that one could easily delve deeper and remix an album, and that the latter would perhaps be "better" in new formats--CDs and downloads--than the original. [More "original" spirit than the actual original?] There was a very interesting conversation to be had there and it didn't get developed at all because of the limitations of language and the interviewer's agenda.
For my own part, I was troubled by the news of overdubs added to historic outtakes and fragments. In these instances, I would prefer a straight historicist approach, with no after-the-fact additions--even at the expense of listenability.
More dispiriting yet was Jagger's observation that the remastering would alter the sound of the vinyl Exile. I can see fiddling with the master--or even the mix--to make downloads sound more like 1972 vinyl, but why not make new vinyl editions identical to the 1972 edition? Isn't that the irrefutable reference point for the work?
Picks for the day: "I'm Alright," "Factory Girl," "Hide Your Love," "Slave," "Fancy Man Blues" and "You Can't Always Get What You Want" (Live Licks)
Re: Jagger : 48 minutes audio interview for RS magazine Italia (Exile content)
Posted by:
kleermaker
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Date: February 2, 2010 23:54
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stoneswashed77
yes and it seems like this is the case since the 70´s.
Since Taylor left.
Re: Jagger : 48 minutes audio interview for RS magazine Italia (Exile content)
Posted by:
LieB
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Date: February 3, 2010 00:06
Thanks for making the interview available to download again.
I basically agree with everything Rev. Robert W. said above.
If I was the interviewer, I would have asked for more details about the outtakes and more questions about how Jagger felt about digging in the past, and if he will do it more in the future. (It still bugs me a little that they singled out Exile when pretty much every record the Stones have released should be reissued in expanded form.)
Anyway, great to hear that Jagger is in good spirits about this and that he seems a lot more knowledgeble and caring about the Stones history than it appeared before.
I basically agree with everything Rev. Robert W. said above.
If I was the interviewer, I would have asked for more details about the outtakes and more questions about how Jagger felt about digging in the past, and if he will do it more in the future. (It still bugs me a little that they singled out Exile when pretty much every record the Stones have released should be reissued in expanded form.)
Anyway, great to hear that Jagger is in good spirits about this and that he seems a lot more knowledgeble and caring about the Stones history than it appeared before.
Re: Jagger : 48 minutes audio interview for RS magazine Italia (Exile content)
Posted by:
ryanpow
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Date: February 3, 2010 00:18
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T&A
but, that sounds a little odd - not one mention of his partner in crime?
there is a mention of Keith but I don't think it has anything to do with the EOMS project. I think its more about something that happened a long time ago.
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Re: Jagger : 48 minutes audio interview for RS magazine Italia (Exile content)
Posted by:
Rockman
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Date: February 3, 2010 00:20
I think its more about something that happened a long time ago.
Keith and a Bentley in Rome ....
ROCKMAN
Keith and a Bentley in Rome ....
ROCKMAN
Re: Jagger : 48 minutes audio interview for RS magazine Italia (Exile content)
Posted by:
shortfatfanny
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Date: February 3, 2010 00:22
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stoneswashed77
yes and it seems like this is the case since the 70´s.
Since Taylor left.
Oh,and I thought Dick left in the early sixties...
Re: Jagger : 48 minutes audio interview for RS magazine Italia (Exile content)
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kleermaker
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Date: February 3, 2010 01:03
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yes and it seems like this is the case since the 70´s.
Since Taylor left.
Oh,and I thought Dick left in the early sixties...
This time you're wrong. But I can understand it, it's difficult, two identical familynames in the band for so long and we getting older.
Re: Jagger : 48 minutes audio interview for RS magazine Italia (Exile content)
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shortfatfanny
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Date: February 3, 2010 01:15
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yes and it seems like this is the case since the 70´s.
Since Taylor left.
Oh,and I thought Dick left in the early sixties...
This time you're wrong. But I can understand it, it's difficult, two identical familynames in the band for so long and we getting older.
Yes,that´s true...those Jones are confusing me as well....
Re: Jagger : 48 minutes audio interview for RS magazine Italia (Exile content)
Posted by:
Lil' Brian
()
Date: February 3, 2010 01:35
Thank you!
Re: Jagger : 48 minutes audio interview for RS magazine Italia (Exile content)
Posted by:
ryanpow
()
Date: February 3, 2010 02:51
>Keith and a Bentley in Rome ....
Right, that was it. He said "Are you sure that's a good idea Keith?"
Right, that was it. He said "Are you sure that's a good idea Keith?"
Re: Jagger : 48 minutes audio interview for RS magazine Italia (Exile content)
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Date: February 3, 2010 05:02
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Also, if he put percussion on the "new" tracks, perhaps the rumor of Taylor doing overdubs is true...
also, if he put percussion on the tracks, how much else will they be altered? And will we be able to tell? It seems like a shame to me, but it sounds like he enjoyed doing it!
I don't get the sense that the others were involved at all. Are they ever?
I'm pretty sure he was only referring to the outtakes, not the regular album.
me too--the outtakes are what I'm talking about. By being able to tell, I don't mean by comparing them to original (released) tracks, but simply by listening, will we be able to tell what instruments are not authentic on the prev. unreleased tracks. Vocals would really stand out; percussion may not, but still might. Still, I understand mick's motivation here to make the unreleased tracks somewhat more subtly listenable, even if I wouldn't do the same.
Re: Jagger : 48 minutes audio interview for RS magazine Italia (Exile content)
Posted by:
cc
()
Date: February 3, 2010 05:03
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Rev. Robert W.
More dispiriting yet was Jagger's observation that the remastering would alter the sound of the vinyl Exile. I can see fiddling with the master--or even the mix--to make downloads sound more like 1972 vinyl, but why not make new vinyl editions identical to the 1972 edition? Isn't that the irrefutable reference point for the work?
well, any remastering will sound somewhat different simply by default. Now, to try to make it sound different is another matter... I wish mick had been prompted to describe the different sound he went for. Hopefully, not simply to add bass.
Re: Jagger : 48 minutes audio interview for RS magazine Italia (Exile content)
Posted by:
stoned in washington dc
()
Date: February 3, 2010 05:45
You know this was more than an interview.. It felt like two guys having a conversation..
It definitely makes me think well of Mick...He was so polite (almost to a fault) and so clear in his thinking..
A treat to listen to this...
It definitely makes me think well of Mick...He was so polite (almost to a fault) and so clear in his thinking..
A treat to listen to this...
Re: Jagger : 48 minutes audio interview for RS magazine Italia (Exile content)
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ryanpow
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Date: February 3, 2010 06:09
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You know this was more than an interview.. It felt like two guys having a conversation..
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I agree. I don't see that there was a disagreement about weather the Beatles Re Mixed their material but a discussion about how you define remixing and remastering.
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