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Angie, the meaning, maybe finally the truth.
Posted by: rubylyn ()
Date: October 17, 2009 18:12

Keith loved Anita.
He loved her disperately. You know that song "Angie"? It means
'Anita-I-Need-Ya'.
There's not many people who know that.
ANITA-I -NEED-YA




What a beautiful was been Anita.

It doesnt mean about a girl called Angela, nor the ex- David Bowie's wife.
I cannot post the link that I found about.

Re: Angie, the meaning, maybe finally the truth.
Date: October 17, 2009 19:21

Mick wrote the lyrics. Keith called it "Mangy" when he composed the rhythm acoustic guitar 72-73.

"The wonder of Jimi Hendrix was that he could stand up at all he was so pumped full of drugs." Patsy, Patsy Stone

Re: Angie, the meaning, maybe finally the truth.
Posted by: Mathijs ()
Date: October 18, 2009 18:14

[www.timeisonourside.com]

I had the whole chord sequence down maybe a year ago with just the title Angie. It could have been Randy or Mangy or anything, you know, but Mick just picked up on the title and wrote a song around it. He added the strings - all the strings on the album are his idea. I don't know who chose it as a single. I think somebody said that it would make a change and that it would get a heavy reaction on AM stations. I'm really not interested in picking singles.

- Keith Richards, 1973

The basic melody and the title were mine. I don't think you can write really interesting rock and roll songs if you can't get into ballads and slower stuff. Quite often when you write a ballad it ends up as something else. Once we've got a song we tussle around with it, roll in the dirt with it. I'd recently had my daughter born, who's name was Angela, and the name was starting to ring around the house. But I'm into writing about my babies. Angie just fitted. I mean, you couldn't sing 'Maureen'...

- Keith Richards, 1993

I think Keith wrote the first line, I think it was his daughter (Angela). It was about love coming to a full stop. The actual name, I'm not sure where it came from, it's not about Angela Bowie. I think it's Keith's daughter's name.

- Mick Jagger, February 2002

I've said about a hundred million times that it wasn't (about Angela Bowie)... I don't think I had even met Angela Bowie when I wrote the rest of the lyrics.

- Mick Jagger, 2002

Re: Angie, the meaning, maybe finally the truth.
Posted by: midnrambler ()
Date: October 18, 2009 19:02

Quote
rubylyn
You know that song "Angie"? It means
'Anita-I-Need-Ya'.
There's not many people who know that.
No, you're the only one. And that's good! Such a nonsense IMHO!

Re: Angie, the meaning, maybe finally the truth.
Posted by: Sohoe ()
Date: October 18, 2009 19:12

<<No, you're the only one>>

I think ruby is just quoting some Keith bio. Pretty sure one of the chapters in Bockris' book starts like that



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2009-10-18 19:13 by Sohoe.

Re: Angie, the meaning, maybe finally the truth.
Posted by: Bliss ()
Date: October 18, 2009 21:23

Mick's just playing games. Keith's daughter didn't change her name from Dandelion to Angela till well after the song was written.

If you read early bio's on the Stones, the lyrics seem to describe Keith's r/ship with Anita very closely.

Re: Angie, the meaning, maybe finally the truth.
Posted by: MKjan ()
Date: October 18, 2009 21:34

Quote
rubylyn
Keith loved Anita.
He loved her disperately. You know that song "Angie"? It means
'Anita-I-Need-Ya'.
There's not many people who know that.
ANITA-I -NEED-YA




What a beautiful was been Anita.

It doesnt mean about a girl called Angela, nor the ex- David Bowie's wife.
I cannot post the link that I found about.

yeow...that's a great photo....so much beauty and menace on that face. I always thought it was about Anita, but I save a little bit for other theories because the Stones send out so many mixed signals.

Re: Angie, the meaning, maybe finally the truth.
Posted by: Gazza ()
Date: October 18, 2009 21:47

It probably isnt about any one specific woman. The Stones are more likely to write about people as 'composites' rather than about one individual.

Could also be entirely fictitious and not remotely based on anyone. They're writers. Its not exactly unusual. Mick and Keith have even wrote songs about their own relationship and done it in a way to make it look like its about a woman.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2009-10-18 21:48 by Gazza.

Re: Angie, the meaning, maybe finally the truth.
Posted by: Kirk ()
Date: October 18, 2009 21:56

On MTV's 'Rolling Stones weekend' back in 1995, Mick said in an interview that 'it's about someone (an actress I think he said) who is no longer with us'.

Re: Angie, the meaning, maybe finally the truth.
Posted by: z ()
Date: October 18, 2009 22:27

He was Joking.

Re: Angie, the meaning, maybe finally the truth.
Posted by: Gazza ()
Date: October 18, 2009 23:40

Quote
Kirk
On MTV's 'Rolling Stones weekend' back in 1995, Mick said in an interview that 'it's about someone (an actress I think he said) who is no longer with us'.

I remember that too. He was being interviewed by the quite tasty Rebecca de Ruvo.

Remember her?

As z says above, I think he was winding her up.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2009-10-18 23:43 by Gazza.

Re: Angie, the meaning, maybe finally the truth.
Posted by: lucasd4 ()
Date: October 19, 2009 00:35

Mick isn't playing games here. Keith came up with the title "Angie." Did you read the quote from the time is on our side database? Here it is again. Note the date....1973

I had the whole chord sequence down maybe a year ago with just the title Angie. It could have been Randy or Mangy or anything, you know, but Mick just picked up on the title and wrote a song around it. He added the strings - all the strings on the album are his idea. I don't know who chose it as a single. I think somebody said that it would make a change and that it would get a heavy reaction on AM stations. I'm really not interested in picking singles.

- Keith Richards, 1973



Quote
Bliss
Mick's just playing games. Keith's daughter didn't change her name from Dandelion to Angela till well after the song was written.

If you read early bio's on the Stones, the lyrics seem to describe Keith's r/ship with Anita very closely.

Re: Angie, the meaning, maybe finally the truth.
Date: October 19, 2009 00:44

It's true - Keith's daughter's name at that time clearly was Dandelion NOT Angie.
Interestingly, in Marianne's book she mentions a rendezvous she and Mick had
just after she shot that Kenneth Anger film. (I'd have to go back to see what yr.)
It was outside a London boutique. They went upstairs and had sex.
If I'm not mistaken, he was married then. The song is essentially about an ended/
crumbling relationship, that's what made me re-think this.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2009-10-19 01:05 by Wanton Witch of the Côte.

Re: Angie
Posted by: with sssoul ()
Date: October 19, 2009 08:09

>> Keith's daughter's name at that time clearly was Dandelion NOT Angie. <<

Keith (who should know) has stated that she was given both names right from the get-go: Dandelion Angela.
the quote rubylyn started the thread with is indeed in Bockris's book, but he's quoting Nick Kent,
who gets an awful lot wrong, including this. yes, there is a song with lyrics that form a play on "anita/i need a",
but it ain't Angie.

Keith's lyrics virtually never mangle the natural emphasis of words and phrases.
if he wants a lyric to mean anitaineedyou he doesn't try to cram it into two syllables.

Re: Angie, the meaning, maybe finally the truth.
Posted by: Doxa ()
Date: October 19, 2009 10:14

Marianne Faithfull infamously takes credits being a subject (or an object, actually) of many Mick's songs ("Let's Spend The Night Together", You Can't Always Get What You Want", etc.), and I never been too sure about it. But I take the lyrics of "Angie" to be about her and of their relationship. At leastly partly. No evidence or anything, just a personal guess. No matter what Mick or anybody say...

- Doxa



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2009-10-19 10:16 by Doxa.

Re: Angie, the meaning, maybe finally the truth.
Posted by: Mathijs ()
Date: October 19, 2009 11:17

Quote
Gazza
Quote
Kirk
On MTV's 'Rolling Stones weekend' back in 1995, Mick said in an interview that 'it's about someone (an actress I think he said) who is no longer with us'.

I remember that too. He was being interviewed by the quite tasty Rebecca de Ruvo.

Remember her?
As z says above, I think he was winding her up.

Gazza, I have a 4 hour VHS tape where some friends and I recorded every bit of Rebecca shown on MTV for two weeks. You want to borrow it -smiling smiley

Mathijs

Re: Angie, the meaning, maybe finally the truth.
Posted by: SwayStones ()
Date: October 19, 2009 13:32

Quote
midnrambler
Quote
rubylyn
You know that song "Angie"? It means
'Anita-I-Need-Ya'.
There's not many people who know that.
No, you're the only one. And that's good! Such a nonsense IMHO!


LOL !

Funny how some people take insatiable enjoyment out of repeating intriguing anecdotal "facts" whose authenticity rests on the idea that if you 've heard someone say it, then it must be true...eye rolling smiley



I am a Frenchie ,as Mick affectionately called them in the Old Grey Whistle Test in 1977 .

Re: Angie, the meaning, maybe finally the truth.
Posted by: rubylyn ()
Date: October 19, 2009 18:24

Quote
Sohoe
<<No, you're the only one>>

I think ruby is just quoting some Keith bio. Pretty sure one of the chapters in Bockris' book starts like that
Exactly Sohoe.
It's just one of the books I'm actually reading. the chapter begins in this way with a keith's pic.
And I cant add it over there. smiling smiley

Re: Angie, the meaning, maybe finally the truth.
Posted by: Addicted ()
Date: October 19, 2009 19:06

When Dandelion Angela Richards married her Dominique, a proud father - Keith - walked her up the aisle, accompanied by "Angie".
And when Keith says, "I'd just had my daughter Angela born when I wrote it"... it's quite peculiar that some still insist this was a Jagger-composition about Marianne.
And it's also very strange that in one of the quotes here, Jagger pretends he barely knows Angela's name. She actually spent a lot of time with Mich and Bianca, before she moved to Doris in Dartford.

Re: Angie, the meaning, maybe finally the truth.
Date: October 20, 2009 00:28

Quote
Gazza
Quote
Kirk
On MTV's 'Rolling Stones weekend' back in 1995, Mick said in an interview that 'it's about someone (an actress I think he said) who is no longer with us'.

I remember that too. He was being interviewed by the quite tasty Rebecca de Ruvo.

Remember her?

As z says above, I think he was winding her up.

I don´t believe such a human being as this photographed one had ever existed. This must be a computer trick.........

Re: Angie, the meaning, maybe finally the truth.
Posted by: Gazza ()
Date: October 20, 2009 00:51

Quote
Mathijs
Quote
Gazza
Quote
Kirk
On MTV's 'Rolling Stones weekend' back in 1995, Mick said in an interview that 'it's about someone (an actress I think he said) who is no longer with us'.

I remember that too. He was being interviewed by the quite tasty Rebecca de Ruvo.

Remember her?
As z says above, I think he was winding her up.

Gazza, I have a 4 hour VHS tape where some friends and I recorded every bit of Rebecca shown on MTV for two weeks. You want to borrow it -smiling smiley

Mathijs

Why did they do that? Was there enough not enough available porn in Holland?

Re: Angie, the meaning, maybe finally the truth.
Posted by: Beelyboy ()
Date: October 20, 2009 00:56

i'm pretty sure As Tears Go By is about tears going by but don't quote me

Re: Angie, the meaning, maybe finally the truth.
Posted by: Bliss ()
Date: October 20, 2009 01:05

I'll venture forth into this again, knowing full well that it is purely speculative..

Look at the lyrics:

Angie, angie, when will those clouds all disappear?
Angie, angie, where will it lead us from here?
With no loving in our souls and no money in our coats
You cant say were satisfied
But angie, angie, you cant say we never tried
Angie, youre beautiful, but aint it time we said good-bye?
Angie, I still love you, remember all those nights we cried?
All the dreams we held so close seemed to all go up in smoke
Let me whisper in your ear:
Angie, angie, where will it lead us from here?
Oh, angie, dont you weep, all your kisses still taste sweet
I hate that sadness in your eyes
But angie, angie, aint it time we said good-bye?
With no loving in our souls and no money in our coats
You cant say were satisfied
But angie, I still love you, baby
Evrywhere I look I see your eyes
There aint a woman that comes close to you
Come on baby, dry your eyes
But angie, angie, aint it good to be alive?
Angie, angie, they cant say we never tried

And consider Keith's life and his r/ship with Anita at the time. They had everything their hearts could desire including a great love, but their mutual addiction to heroin had diminished their lives and damaged their relationship. To me, the lyrics reflect Keith's pain and despair at that situation and his wish that they could recover what they had lost.

I can't see it being about Marianne at all. Mick had already moved far away from Marianne; his r/ship with Marsha had begun and ended, and his marriage to Bianca had lost its' appeal by the time this song was published. Marianne was ancient history. Wild Horses was the swansong to her.

Re: Angie, the meaning, maybe finally the truth.
Posted by: glimmertwin50 ()
Date: October 20, 2009 01:29

Keith loved Anita.
He loved her disperately. You know that song "Angie"? It means
'Anita-I-Need-Ya'.
There's not many people who know that.
ANITA-I -NEED-YA

The original passage quoted in this thread (above) is indeed from Victor Bockris' tome about Keith. Mick has said (I believe on OGWT 1973) that he wrote most of the lyrics and that Keith had little more than the title of "Angie" in the way of lyrics.

Re: Angie, the meaning, maybe finally the truth.
Posted by: stonesrule ()
Date: October 20, 2009 04:04

"There's not many people who know that." How true Mr. Bockris, and you ain't one of them.

Rubylyn, you must learn not to believe everthing you read. Beautiful photo of Anita, who, happily, is a survivor and a fine person.

Re: Angie
Posted by: with sssoul ()
Date: October 20, 2009 09:11

>> The original passage quoted in this thread (above) is indeed from Victor Bockris' tome about Keith. <<

one more time: Bockris is quoting Nick Kent, who has been glaringly wrong about miles of things,
and this is one of them.

Re: Angie, the meaning, maybe finally the truth.
Date: October 20, 2009 09:13

Here you go:

Angie, Angie, when will those clouds all disappear? = Angela (Dandelion, not Bowie)

Angie, Angie, where will it lead us from here? = Angela Bowie

With no loving in our souls and no money in our coats = Angela Davis

You can't say we're satisfied = Karis

But Angie, Angie, you can't say we never tried = Marsha Hunt

Angie, you're beautiful, but ain't it time we said good-bye? = Bianca

Angie, I still love you, remember all those nights we cried? = Ode to Brian

All the dreams we held so close seemed to all go up in smoke = Chrissie

Let me whisper in your ear: = Jade

Angie, Angie, where will it lead us from here? = Uschi O.

Oh, Angie, don't you weep, all your kisses still taste sweet = Edie Sedgwick

I hate that sadness in your eyes = Gretchen Parsons

But Angie, I still love you, baby = Chris O’Dell

Ev'rywhere I look I see your eyes = Anita (of course!)

There ain't a woman that comes close to you = Tina Turner

Come on Baby, dry your eyes = Astrid Wyman

But Angie, Angie, ain't it good to be alive? = Marianne (of course!)

Angie, Angie, they can't say we never tried = Pamela Des Barres

thumbs up

Re: Angie, the meaning, maybe finally the truth.
Posted by: Baboon Bro ()
Date: October 20, 2009 11:00

Hey, this is like chasin' the rainbow. Good luck, matey!

Re: Angie, the meaning, maybe finally the truth.
Posted by: His Majesty ()
Date: October 20, 2009 11:05

Who knows who Angie is really about!?

lets just drool at this wonderful Anita pic again!


Re: Angie, the meaning, maybe finally the truth.
Posted by: rubylyn ()
Date: October 20, 2009 18:22

Quote
stonesrule
"There's not many people who know that." How true Mr. Bockris, and you ain't one of them.

Rubylyn, you must learn not to believe everthing you read. Beautiful photo of Anita, who, happily, is a survivor and a fine person.
Lol thanks, I know stonesrule. But didnt believed it.
To be honest, I was trying to know a bit more about Anita.
In MJcom I'd read a thread some months ago quoting the same question.
But.. I dont know yet where she has done after she'd broke up with Keith.
I know after the 73 tour there was been Ushi for him. And other men for her.
But, it's not a question of mere gossip mine. I dont mind so much, and I'm not use to read about.
....I knew, this was a silly story.
But, I'm still amazed from that one pic. Excuse me guys, but exist a creature like her?
A natural one, I mean.
With that breast, cant believe..
Plastic surgery? Hm?
Thanks for the lyrics.
smiling smiley

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