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mandu
why do rolling stones albums get overdubbed?
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liddas
Times change.
Live recordings used to be the postcard of a tour. With exceptions, they were meant to be the representation of how the band sounds live, rather than the documentation of a particular concert.
Which is perfectly fine.
Vocals of performers like Jagger are usually overdubbed. Basically he spends most of the show running up and down the stage, which is great when you actually are there. But if you are not and you listen only to the recording, all the excitement produced by his stage show is lost, and what is left often sounds awful. Try recording your self singing while jogging!
Once you are in the framework of overdubbing, everything is allowed and it ends up like women makeup! Very very hard not to overdo it.
Today, thanks to filesharing on internet, the number of people who have access to the real thing are many more. It is like having the true pictures of all the Photoshopped models on the covers of magazines.
Gradually this changed the idea in the consumer of what a live recording should be. And, consequently, also the product changed.
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liddas
Once you are in the framework of overdubbing, everything is allowed and it ends up like women makeup! Very very hard not to overdo it.
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That's a good one liddas.
I can easily see why Jagger would want to re-do his vocals, since he moves so much; he feels like he can do them justice better. But on many of the boots they sound perfectly good IMO.
But I would say that the reasons change over the years. In '65 they were basically trying to do what James Brown had just done. We ooh and aah over "Fortune Teller" and "Ive been loving you too long" but back then it was no big deal. To be honest I think those 2 cuts work pretty well anyway.
"Ya-Ya's" is a doctored Live album. Not so much a document of what they sounded like but what the idea, the goal was. "Here, this is the ideal '69 Stones show. And you own it". And it also was a record of the evolution of these Stones songs; all new ones. I think it was an important decision in the Stones' image to put out the ferocious live versions of "Midnight Rambler" and "Sympathy", :"Street Fighting Man".
Now Love you Live is still more than just the contractual obligation. Especially Side 3. It was the Stones Mach III. I think Ron Wood deserved to be introduced like this. On that tour Jagger had to redo the vocals; he sang so badly, but the overdubs aren't that much better.
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stoneswashed77
for me that´s not really a pity because i don´t like live recordings anyway.
i prefer studio recordings by far. i just don´t understand why all those overdub live performances still sound so bad?
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DandelionPowderman
Do we know for a fact the Mick overdubbed that many vocal tracks for Love You Live?
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mandu
why do rolling stones albums get overdubbed?
A fear that their lives shows are not good enough? Which may be the reason there are precious few live releases from them.
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WeLoveYou
Little Queenie on Ya-Yas has a third guitar, listen carefully at the guitar break just after "Take off your shoes....". The third guitar is panned exact centre (as oppose to Mick T and Keith, panned left and right).
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SwayStones
Well ,I will be glad if someone would answer me :Yes or no ,"Live in Japan " was free of overdubs ?
Funny no one talks about the best example of a live overdubbed album :Got Live If You Want It !When I first bought it,I didn't noticed (I was only sixteen..)
My faves -tell me if I am mistaken -
"Train Kept A Rollin'" Aerosmith ( audience shouts )
Sir Zappa ( solo on "Inca Roads "/One Size Fits All) =the same on "You Can't Do That On Stage Anymore, Vol. 2"
"Live and Dangerous " Thin Lizzy ( I love it !!!!!)
" Live At Budokan " Cheap Trick.
Europe '72 Grateful Dead