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Cannon's Palisades Park inspired BS???
That's a new one on me!
yes, musically it was an inspiration. the sound of it. ive read that in an interveiw and its been discussed here before.
Tallahasee Lassie, not Palisades Park.
For me, the best solo is the one in Leeds '71. Also, the outro solo in Paris '70 (the soundboard) or Brussels '73 are incredible.
from the 3 min mark onwards - I love this version
OLDKR
Great guitar!
But I like the sax-solo also on this one .
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I am a Frenchie ,as Mick affectionately called them in the Old Grey Whistle Test in 1977 .
With sax please....
There ain't much there to be arranged.
Seems more likely that he did a fuller horn arrangement, but that it wasn't kept, or wasn't kept in it's entirety. I doubt Leon arranged the sax solo, but there are those little high pitched horn lines towards the end.
Al Kooper did full horn arrangement for YCAGWYW, but the stones only kept Koopers part in there.
Actually, that started in '72. Taylor played a guitar solo on "Brown Sugar" before that I think, at Altamont, in Europe 1970, and England 1971. The '72 North American tour is when they started dividing the lead break up and having Bobby play the sax solo for the first part of the break. They used that arrangment until the '75 tour, when there was no horn section.
If it were true, there would have been because he played it live so many times. for some reason I thought it was Leon Russel but everything I've looked up seems to confirm it was Bobby Keyes.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2009-06-20 00:44 by ryanpow.
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Brown Sugar with or without the sax?
Posted by:
The Sicilian
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Date: June 19, 2009 04:18
I don't participate on board much during my busy work season from March till November but driving home from work "Brown Sugar" came on the radio and for some reason I started to wonder if the sax part should have been a guitar solo instead.
I know everyone will probably say they love the sax slot, and I do too, but as I thought about it I wondered what a good guitar lead solo would sound like in its place, sort of like "Honky Tonk Women"
Does that sax part change the groove of the song? Does it slow it down, Does it tone it down? What do you all think?
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2009-06-19 04:20 by The Sicilian.
I know everyone will probably say they love the sax slot, and I do too, but as I thought about it I wondered what a good guitar lead solo would sound like in its place, sort of like "Honky Tonk Women"
Does that sax part change the groove of the song? Does it slow it down, Does it tone it down? What do you all think?
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2009-06-19 04:20 by The Sicilian.
Re: Brown Sugar with or without the sax?
Posted by:
Rollin' Stoner
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Date: June 19, 2009 04:26
I Like It...it ads energy...and fits in with the sexy vibe of the song....a throwback to early r'n'r when the sax was the lead instrumentQuote
The Sicilian
I don't participate on board much during my busy work season from March till November but driving home from work "Brown Sugar" came on the radio and for some reason I started to wonder if the sax part should have been a guitar solo instead.
I know everyone will probably say they love the sax slot, and I do too, but as I thought about it I wondered what a good guitar lead solo would sound like in its place, sort of like "Honky Tonk Women"
Does that sax part change the groove of the song? Does it slow it down, Does it tone it down? What do you all think?
Re: Brown Sugar with or without the sax?
Posted by:
ryanpow
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Date: June 19, 2009 04:27
It fits the song perfectly in the spirit of songs like "Palisades Park" by Freddy Cannon. which was an inpiration for Brown Sugar.
Re: Brown Sugar with or without the sax?
Posted by:
Doctor Dear!
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Date: June 19, 2009 04:49
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ryanpow
It fits the song perfectly in the spirit of songs like "Palisades Park" by Freddy Cannon. which was an inpiration for Brown Sugar.
Cannon's Palisades Park inspired BS???
That's a new one on me!
Re: Brown Sugar with or without the sax?
Posted by:
Palace Revolution 2000
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Date: June 19, 2009 04:59
The sax solo is perfect IMO.It's sleazy; one of the top recognized rock sax solos. I don't even like it that much when they started having Taylor take half of the solo over in 73.
Re: Brown Sugar with or without the sax?
Posted by:
glimmertwin50
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Date: June 19, 2009 05:03
Classic sax solo by Bobby Keys on one of the greatest rock n roll songs of all time.
Re: Brown Sugar with or without the sax?
Posted by:
ryanpow
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Date: June 19, 2009 05:17
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Doctor Dear!Quote
ryanpow
It fits the song perfectly in the spirit of songs like "Palisades Park" by Freddy Cannon. which was an inpiration for Brown Sugar.
Cannon's Palisades Park inspired BS???
That's a new one on me!
yes, musically it was an inspiration. the sound of it. ive read that in an interveiw and its been discussed here before.
Re: Brown Sugar with or without the sax?
Posted by:
ryanpow
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Date: June 19, 2009 05:18
I thought I read that leon russel plays on the studio version. but on keno's page it lists Bobby Keyes.
to me the Studio Version's sax doesn't sound like Bobby.
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2009-06-19 05:22 by ryanpow.
to me the Studio Version's sax doesn't sound like Bobby.
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2009-06-19 05:22 by ryanpow.
Re: Brown Sugar with or without the sax?
Posted by:
texas fan
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Date: June 19, 2009 05:28
Sounds like Bobby to me, and I like it a lot. To answer the specific question raised by Rollin Stoner, I think it does not really change the groove of the song, but does elevate the energy level. Of course, this is one of those "shifting gears" songs in which the energey level is raised a few times, in my opinion...
Re: Brown Sugar with or without the sax?
Posted by:
The Sicilian
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Date: June 19, 2009 06:10
Has anyone listened to the version from Altamont that substitutes the sax solo with a truncated guitar solo?
Using a guitar solo adds a whole new dimension to the track. I think that if a guitar solo had been included in the studio version a lot of people would have a different view.
Using a guitar solo adds a whole new dimension to the track. I think that if a guitar solo had been included in the studio version a lot of people would have a different view.
Re: Brown Sugar with or without the sax?
Posted by:
StonesTod
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Date: June 19, 2009 06:23
gimme a ripping sax solo anytime - best solo instrument, be it rock or jazz....
Re: Brown Sugar with or without the sax?
Posted by:
Smokey
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Date: June 19, 2009 06:59
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ryanpow
It fits the song perfectly in the spirit of songs like "Palisades Park" by Freddy Cannon. which was an inpiration for Brown Sugar.
Tallahasee Lassie, not Palisades Park.
For me, the best solo is the one in Leeds '71. Also, the outro solo in Paris '70 (the soundboard) or Brussels '73 are incredible.
Re: Brown Sugar with or without the sax?
Posted by:
oldkr
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Date: June 19, 2009 07:04
from the 3 min mark onwards - I love this version
OLDKR
Re: Brown Sugar with or without the sax?
Posted by:
deadegad
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Date: June 19, 2009 08:09
Thanks oldkr!
Yeah Ronnie does a nice sols on BS there, in 81-82 also.
Yeah Ronnie does a nice sols on BS there, in 81-82 also.
Re: Brown Sugar with or without the sax?
Posted by:
SwayStones
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Date: June 19, 2009 12:19
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oldkr
from the 3 min mark onwards - I love this version
OLDKR
Great guitar!
But I like the sax-solo also on this one .
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Thankfully, there are sax-free versions of “Brown Sugar” available out there in bootlegger land. Recording engineer Glyn Johns put some of the Rolling Stones’ early Muscle Shoals demos onto acetate and the difference is striking. When you get to the part where the solo typically goes, it feels like there’s a giant hole missing from the song. But listen again, and you’ll notice Mick Taylor playing a skillful and, dare I say, cerebral guitar solo. It’s fascinating to listen to, but ultimately “cerebral” wasn’t the mood they were looking for, so Keyes was unleashed on the sax to give the song the libidinal thrust it deserved.
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I am a Frenchie ,as Mick affectionately called them in the Old Grey Whistle Test in 1977 .
Re: Brown Sugar with or without the sax?
Posted by:
Rockman
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Date: June 19, 2009 12:56
What about just Bobby on Sugar without the Stones...How do ya reckon that'd sound???
ROCKMAN
ROCKMAN
Re: Brown Sugar with or without the sax?
Posted by:
Toru A
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Date: June 19, 2009 12:57
What do you think this song without great tenor sax part?
Re: Brown Sugar with or without the sax?
Posted by:
Doctor Dear!
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Date: June 19, 2009 14:14
Leon Russel arranged the sax on Live With Me
Re: Brown Sugar with or without the sax?
Posted by:
BBrew
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Date: June 19, 2009 14:22
Definitely with, it wouldn't be so great without it!
Re: Brown Sugar with or without the sax?
Posted by:
Amused
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Date: June 19, 2009 15:08
it's Brown Sugar, always with sax. but 1978 w/o sax and I think version w/ Clapton have no sax, and I love em!
Re: Brown Sugar with or without the sax?
Posted by:
StonesFanatic
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Date: June 19, 2009 15:40
The studio version of BS, the sax is great...live during the Mick T era, I prefer his excellent guitar solos!
Re: Brown Sugar with or without the sax?
Posted by:
slasausjes
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Date: June 19, 2009 15:45
With sax please....
Re: Brown Sugar with or without the sax?
Posted by:
Natlanta
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Date: June 19, 2009 21:56
with, and preferably in his underwear.
Re: Brown Sugar with or without the sax?
Posted by:
phd
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Date: June 19, 2009 22:03
Do you walk with two legs or one leg ?
Re: Brown Sugar with or without the sax?
Posted by:
His Majesty
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Date: June 19, 2009 22:16
Quote
Doctor Dear!
Leon Russel arranged the sax on Live With Me
There ain't much there to be arranged.
Seems more likely that he did a fuller horn arrangement, but that it wasn't kept, or wasn't kept in it's entirety. I doubt Leon arranged the sax solo, but there are those little high pitched horn lines towards the end.
Al Kooper did full horn arrangement for YCAGWYW, but the stones only kept Koopers part in there.
Re: Brown Sugar with or without the sax?
Posted by:
Tumblin_Dice_07
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Date: June 19, 2009 23:26
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Palace Revolution 2000
The sax solo is perfect IMO.It's sleazy; one of the top recognized rock sax solos. I don't even like it that much when they started having Taylor take half of the solo over in 73.
Actually, that started in '72. Taylor played a guitar solo on "Brown Sugar" before that I think, at Altamont, in Europe 1970, and England 1971. The '72 North American tour is when they started dividing the lead break up and having Bobby play the sax solo for the first part of the break. They used that arrangment until the '75 tour, when there was no horn section.
Re: Brown Sugar with or without the sax?
Posted by:
Deltics
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Date: June 19, 2009 23:47
Brown Sugar without sax:
BrownSugar.mp3 - 5.29MB
You can listen to and or download this.
"As we say in England, it can get a bit trainspottery"
BrownSugar.mp3 - 5.29MB
You can listen to and or download this.
"As we say in England, it can get a bit trainspottery"
Re: Brown Sugar with or without the sax?
Posted by:
Wanton Witch of the Côte
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Date: June 20, 2009 00:28
I don't have an advanced degree in Stonesology, but I would say definitely WITH the sax.
*I saw a very good tribute band last month and they had a sax player join them for a few songs such as "Can't You Hear Me Knocking". OMG it was so good (and the guy who plays Mick T was superb!) You just had to close your eyes and it must have been how it was like decades ago!
*I saw a very good tribute band last month and they had a sax player join them for a few songs such as "Can't You Hear Me Knocking". OMG it was so good (and the guy who plays Mick T was superb!) You just had to close your eyes and it must have been how it was like decades ago!
Re: Brown Sugar with or without the sax?
Posted by:
ryanpow
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Date: June 20, 2009 00:38
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ryanpow
I thought I read that leon russel plays on the studio version. but on keno's page it lists Bobby Keyes.
to me the Studio Version's sax doesn't sound like Bobby.
If this were true, there would have been no reason to call Bobby "Mr. Brown Sugar".
If it were true, there would have been because he played it live so many times. for some reason I thought it was Leon Russel but everything I've looked up seems to confirm it was Bobby Keyes.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2009-06-20 00:44 by ryanpow.
Re: Brown Sugar with or without the sax?
Posted by:
slew
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Date: June 20, 2009 00:50
The sax with the incredible rythym guitar is awesome! I can't imagine the song without it.
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