Johnny Winter
Palace Theatre (New York, NY)
11/7/1973
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Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 2009-06-03 02:41 by Baboon Bro.

Set list:

Bad Luck Situation (incompl)
Tryin So Hard
Can't You Feel It
Stone County
Silver Train
Thirty Days
Jumpin' Jack Flash
Johnny B. Goode

Can someone inform me how Johnny could play Silvertrain in April 1973
when it was released on record in August?

I don't understand your question.....peter

Wouldn't it just be a similar kind of deal as the one with The Burritos and Wild Horses?
However Johnny apparently was allowed to use Silvertrain as a single, which came out quite early in '73 - March 01 according to NicoZentgraf's site: [www.nzentgraf.de]



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Didn't the Stones write Silver Train *for* Johnny?

I've heard it was a sligthly edited rendition of ADTL..
When I googled it, I found the info that Silver Train
was not released as a single. But I'm also under the
impression it was writtten for Winter.

johnny's studio version came out before the stones'....and, for me, his blows away the stones' version, too...

Just pulled out Saints & Sinners yesterday for a listen. I think this would have been the album Johnny was touring behind. He does a very mean version of Stray Cat Blues on the S&S disc. Would have been a very interesting brew if Johnny had replaced MT. Probably wouldn't have worked, but nice to imagine.

Thanks for the heads-up BBro!

Karl

JW was/is a huge Stones fan...regularly covered JJF, Silver Train (his version) smokes and his Stray Cat Blues is great, too...

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StonesFanatic
JW was/is a huge Stones fan...regularly covered JJF, Silver Train (his version) smokes and his Stray Cat Blues is great, too...

and don't forget Let it Bleed, from Still Alive & Well...smokes, too

The Stones did give Silver Train to Johnny and if you listen to the Stones first demo of the song(I believe from Olympic Oct 70?) Johnny's version follows the arrangement very closely. Johnny is the only artist(IMO) that comes close to cutting the Stones with their own material. The live JJF smokes and Stray Cat is downright frightening!

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T&A
johnny's studio version came out before the stones'....and, for me, his blows away the stones' version, too...

Thank ya all for feedback & T&A for this info; sumfin' I suspected.
I find both renditions totally smokin'; they are different
but I cant put one before the other. Silver Train has always been one
of my absolute Stones favorites.

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Baboon Bro
I've heard it was a sligthly edited rendition of ADTL..
When I googled it, I found the info that Silver Train
was not released as a single. But I'm also under the
impression it was writtten for Winter.

Johnny's version was issued as a single in March 1973:



Whether it was written with Johnny in mind I don't know, but scottkeef is quite right that his version does have more than a passing resemblance to one of the Stones' early efforts of the song:
Silver Train.mp3 - 7.83MB
(You can listen to this as well as downloading it)
Compare and contrast:





"As we say in England, it can get a bit trainspottery"



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I bet thats really a HOT mix in MONO!! THANKS!

You've got mail Scott!


"As we say in England, it can get a bit trainspottery"

UK release

A : Angie (MJ/KR)
B : Siver Train (MJ/KR)

Producer : Jimmy Miller
Sound Engineer : Andy Johns
Recorded : 11.1972, 06.1973
Studio : Dynamic Sound, Jamaica, Islands Recording Studios, London

Released : 17.08.1973
RS 19105

The US release seem to be out at Aug 28.

Still.. as I got it, its recorded in Nov 1972 in Jamaica and possibly also London.
Winter must have either been present or he got a copy of the master.

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Baboon Bro
Still.. as I got it, its recorded in Nov 1972 in Jamaica and possibly also London.
Winter must have either been present or he got a copy of the master.

According to Zentgraf, the first recording was made in October 1970:

701017A 17th October - 31st October: Newbury, Stargroves (MJ’s house) with Mobile
Record Unit and London, Olympic Sound Studios. Producer:
Jimmy Miller.
Sound engineer: Glyn Johns.
- Aladdin Story II (MJ/KR) -Bobby Keys on sax, Nicky Hopkins on organ;
instrumental
- All Down The Line III (MJ/KR) -second, unverified acoustic version
- Bitch I (MJ/KR) -Bobby Keys on sax, Jim Price on trumpet, Jimmy
Miller on percussion; different mix of III, with audible ad-lib vocals of
Jagger during KR's solo
- Bitch II (MJ/KR) -Bobby Keys on sax, Jim Price on trumpet, Jimmy
Miller on percussion; Sticky Fingers-version
- Hide Your Love I (MJ/KR) -unverified early version
- Moonlight Mile (MJ/KR) -Jim Price on piano, strings arranged by Paul
Buckmaster; Sticky Fingers-version
- Potted Shrimps (MJ/KR) -Nicky Hopkins on piano; instrumental
- Red House (Jimi Hendrix) -unverified
- Shake Your Hips II (James Moore) -STU on piano; early version
- Silver Train I (MJ/KR) -early version with slightly longer finish
- Stop Breaking Down II (Robert Johnson) -STU on piano; early (rough) take
- Sway I (MJ/KR) - Nicky Hopkins on piano, strings arranged by Paul
Buckmaster; flipside of US Wild Horses-single
- Sway II (MJ/KR) -Nicky Hopkins on piano, strings arranged by Paul
Buckmaster; Sticky Fingers-version
- Sweet Black Angel I (MJ/KR) -instrumental, under title Bent Green
Needles; unverified
- Sweet Virginia II (MJ/KR) -STU on piano, Bobby Keys on sax; early
version without backing vocals
- Travelling Man (MJ/KR) -Nicky Hopkins on piano
- Tumbling Dice II (MJ/KR) -STU on piano; with different lyrics, under
title Good Time Woman


"As we say in England, it can get a bit trainspottery"

Ok, thank ya Deltics.. That was the pilot version, allright.
The one rendition Johnster Winter plows thru from time to time.

What amazin creativity our lads had around 1969!

Hey if you guys want to hear the best version of J.J. Flash then listen to this Winter show from Winterland San Francisco on 4/30/76 taken from Wolfgangs vault. The solos from Johnny and Floyd Radford are breath taking. And Randy Jo Hobbs bass is kick-ass at the climax of the song. HIGH ENERGY ROCK N' ROLL!!

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Thank ya, Johnny !