Yes I agree. A pity that industry has not standardized e.g. on 24/48 FLAC for distribution.
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Alright - a pity that we that have bought CD do not have access to different master that was apparenlty used for vinyl.
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Quotemidimannz I'm happy to wait for the vinyl ... For the reasons given above An option to download pre-cd mastering tracks would be even better. Vinyl is just a medium. I would be very happy if I can listen to what was actually recorded/mixed on studio analog tapes (with a bit of distortion that was applied). I fully respect mixing etc., but I suspect final CD mastering process used a l
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Audacity can easy deamplify by selected value of dB. That is not a problem, I only search whether some free or very cheap alternative to Clip Fix is used.
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I Gotta Go - Blue and Lonesome
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Maybe for vinyl different, less compressed mastering was used. Unfortunately this has been recently common. By the way I do not complain for much the distortion that has been used during recording/production, that is +- OK. But the one caused by final mastering - further compression for CD/digital. It can be somewhat reversed by declipping, however.
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Quotewhitem8 Not true. I have a high end system with a great DAC, and a fantastic turntable. A lot of my vinyl sounds much better than their digital cousin. Not all, but many. Far less hiss, more mid-range, and more clarity with subtle soundscapes (which are not easily converted via a bianary mode), and far less distortion. For example my Beatles USB with 24bit flac files sound much better with h
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Digitize your vinyl to 24/48 FLAC and play from HDD/NAS. You will get the same sound quality as by playing from vinyl directly. And you will save your vinyl from repeated playback
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Yes main problem with CD digital is 16 bit. 24/48 is (near) perfect. Vinyl might sound better to some ears, because it has/can have nice distortions for some type of music. But in terms of fidelity vinyl is worse even than properly mastered CD.
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I do not have HD version and do not want much to buy it twice, moreover I am from Czech republic and web stores do not have HD version available.
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I agree that overanalyzing can be bad for music. The compression+distortion on Blue and Lonesome is a bit too much, I think. I also preferred the older issues of Virgin/EMI catalogue since 2009 version were compressed.
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Digital audio is only a storage for analog sound. The output from DAC is analog. Vinyl is totally marketing-hype today supported by the CD format limitations. If industry standardizes on 24/48 FLAC there wont be any need for vinyl. 16/44.1 is very good, but 24/48 is perfect.
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Indian Girl ...
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Hello, has anybody tried to declip Blue and Lonesome? If so, which tracks/all of them? In which software and which algorithm? I tried to do it in Audacity and Clip Fix, by reduction of volume -3 or -2,5 dB dB and the Clip Fix at 95 per cent, also 98 per cent gave me good results. For sure it is great alternative to original mix, which is not terrible, but it is compressed and since distorti
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I visited my friend who has some better declipping software and applied on some tracks with -2,5 dB volume gain reduction and declip. Results are great. Some distortion remained but that is OK. Wonder why the album has been mastered this way (distortion + middle brickwall). Maybe in the studio they applied distortion to non - brickwalled version and evaluated primarily that - just a speculation.
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My song of the day: I Gotta Go. Especially the beginning is stunning ...
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Yes it can be effect of Micks voice. But sometimes too strong e.g. tracks 4,5,12 on some places it is annoying to me. I could have been minimized by not clipping the audio. It is not clipped as much as e.g. A Bigger Bang, but the distortion from clipping contributes to the overall (already "effected" sound).
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That was me. Yes I still think that especially some tracks have been too much distorted or compressed. I tried audacity with Clip Fix, some tracks have subjective improved but I do not know to what extent that is because of the volume drop and to what because of Clip Fix. I wish the album had been mastered differently. But the tracks are good and bands performance is great.
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Yes they did it right except mastering. I have only audacity with clipfix (e.g. decrease volume by 2-4 dB and the clipfix with 95 per cent) , so my possibilities are limited, but I have already made an attempt with slightly increased DR (+2-3 DR) on tracks 2,3,4,5,7,9,12 and slightly 11. The result is subjectively much better, since distortion has decreased. I never did this with Stones' alb
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Sorry, it is. But has lowest DR.
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From this outcomes that the slower tracks with lower DR like I Gotta Go, All Your Love, I cant quit you baby, Commit a Crime or Hoo Doo Blues can benefit from declipping.
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The CD version seems to be just the same. foobar2000 1.3.14 beta 1 / Dynamic Range Meter 1.1.1 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Analyzed: The Rolling Stones / Blue & Lonesome -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- DR Peak RMS Duration Track --------------------------------
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So it is clear now. Whether intentional or not, that "overdistortion" thing I spoke about is a matter of production/mastering, not a bands own performance. If you want to try it then decrease volume and declip in Audacity, or try to use some other plugin. Still some (good) distortion is present, but it is not as intrusive as on the CD. On some tracks this is prominent, some sound +- OK
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By the way, when declipped the distortion seems to me less problematic ... If I decrease volume and declip in Audacity the harshness is suddenly at acceptable level ... I wonder why loudness wars still continue
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Quotekevinkamphuis Quotejumpingjackflash5 Quotekevinkamphuis Quotejumpingjackflash5 In which sense did you remaster it ? Carefully restored some dynamcics, declipped the tracks and widen the stereo spectrum of some tracks. It sounds awesome now Can you post the operations you did e.g. in Audacity ? Haha I didn't use Audacity. There are way better tools for the job. I'll post a
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Quotekevinkamphuis Quotejumpingjackflash5 In which sense did you remaster it ? Carefully restored some dynamcics, declipped the tracks and widen the stereo spectrum of some tracks. It sounds awesome now Can you post the operations you did e.g. in Audacity ?
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In which sense did you remaster it ?
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Has anybody the ITunes version (Mastered for Itunes) compared to CD? I have bought Just your fool there in advance, I am not sure about it but the sound seems to be a tiny bit different on this track ...
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Yes I agree 24 bit is an improvement since the sound does not have big quantization error and does not have to be strictly dithered.
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Another day with Blue and Lonesome. Just Like I Treat You - even better. Wonder why this has not been a single. Distortion I am getting more used to, but still on some tracks (5,9,10,12) it too much hides the sound of the band and makes micks voice sound worse than it would be without or with less distortion (Little Rain - wonderful performance from Mick but distorted). But I have listened t
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