Quotegeorgie48 Quoteedog In JUST TO KEEP THE RECORD STRAIGHT. When I designed The Stones Tongue Logo at the very begining Of 1971 I Was NOT An Employee Of Craig Braun Companies I Was A Freelancer That Became An Empoyee A Month Later. I Own My Version Because I Was Not "Work For Hire! - Ernie Why did you start talking lately about "the very beginning of 1971"? Why did February
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Quoteedog In JUST TO KEEP THE RECORD STRAIGHT. When I designed The Stones Tongue Logo at the very begining Of 1971 I Was NOT An Employee Of Craig Braun Companies I Was A Freelancer That Became An Empoyee A Month Later. I Own My Version Because I Was Not "Work For Hire! - Ernie Why did you start talking lately about "the very beginning of 1971"? Why did February 5, 1971 disappe
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Quoteedog When I created my original version of The Stones Tongue I didn't work for Craig and I was not an employee. I was a freelancer. That being said I own my version art and its rights. So again georgie, you don't know what your talking about. Not to worry though you by no means are alone in your lack of the true facts! - Ernie Wow, sorry, I was out for two days, so had to catch
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Quoteroller99 I'll offer an olive branch here, because we're all here for the same reason; love of The Rolling Stones. I'm just trying to decode a mystery, and I think we should all be able to discuss this without resorting to accusations or heated arguments. So, if I offended, I apologize. What happened to the olive branch? It looks like you're back to zero with your late
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QuoteIrix Quoteroller99 Right there, the "illustrator working for me", is proof that Ernie did it. Both Pasche and Cefalu aren't debating which came first. And this quote by Braun pretty much obliviates Braun's claims elsewhere that he did it alone. What we have are 2 different versions, both official and independent. The Tongue&Lips-Logo as we know it from Sticky
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Quoteroller99 QuoteIrix Craig Braun's personal story about designing the Tongue&Lips-Logo (8-Dec-2016): "I had decided that because it was the Rolling Stones' first release under their own label after leaving Decca Records (London in U.S.), to use this logo on the cover", Craig says. "Mick had commissioned a young art school student in London to design a logo, bu
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QuoteIrix Quotegeorgie48 It's not (was never) Ernie's (and since the Braun deal of 3 years was finished decades ago, not Braun's either). It was and is owned by The Rolling Stones ..... Do you mean in terms of ownership? If so, then yes - because Ernie Cefalu was "only" a employee of the CraigBraunInc. (or the subsidiaries like Sound Packaging or Rockreations) a
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QuoteCristiano Radtke I haven't read the entire thread so this was possibly already posted before, but Ernie's logo has been used until very recently on official T-shirts: No surprise Cristiano, It's not (was never) Ernie's (and since the Braun deal of 3 years was finished decades ago, not Braun's either). It was and is owned by The Rolling Stones .....
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Quoteedog I have read a lot of these comments about my contribution to The Stones Tongue logo and I would be remiss if I didn't say they all crack me up. Everyone talks like they were there when I created my original version at the begining of 1971 up in Craig's art department. I say, what you really know... only what you have read. Well here's the reality to it all... none of you
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Ernie Cefalu: "The logo that I did the finish on and that was used on all the merchandising was done by me well before the end of February of 1971." - The 'Sticky Fingers'-Album was released on 23 April 1971. His statement that he joined Craig Braun's company in February 1971 (he even clearly remembered the headhunter name) has been confirmed by former colleages s
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QuoteDeltics QuoteDandelionPowderman What do you mean by "all of my covers"? Hi Deltics, Thanks for that link! If I read that story correctly he even claims to have been involved with the Sticky Fingers album??? Or is that suggestieve writing? I can already see Andy Warhol turn around in his grave. Looking forward to read the exact date om which he joined Braun's company
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Quoteroller99 Quotegeorgie48 I am pretty sure that Pasche's logo with thick tongue was earlier than Cefalu's' but it could very well be that Pasche modified his original design after having seen Cefalu's design. I also remember buying a Cefalu design logo pin many decades ago, thinking it was a counterfeit, but his interview made me think different. Hmmm. I like your oliv
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Quoteroller99 Quotegeorgie48 Quoteroller99 QuoteIrix QuoteHairball It's possible that Pasche copied Cefalau's version (who might have copied the Beatles song book version), and then Braun and his in house illustrators completed the design as we know it. John Pasche was in London while Craig Braun and Ernie Cefalu were in New York. The still unfinished tongue design (a rough one-
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Quoteroller99 QuoteIrix QuoteHairball It's possible that Pasche copied Cefalau's version (who might have copied the Beatles song book version), and then Braun and his in house illustrators completed the design as we know it. John Pasche was in London while Craig Braun and Ernie Cefalu were in New York. The still unfinished tongue design (a rough one-inch version) was faxed over
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QuoteHairball "Back in London, John Pasche, a student at the Royal College of Art, worked on a logo for the band and its new label. Mr. Jagger had been inspired by the tongue of the Hindu goddess Kali, Mr. Pasche recalled, “but I didn’t want to do anything Indian, because I thought it would be very dated quickly, as everyone was going through that phase at the time.” Still, Kali’s mouth and
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QuoteDeltics QuoteChristiaan ok. whn did the Stones use the last time "Rollin'Stones"? Like I said, the advert is the last one I have as the Rollin' Stones, they released their first single in June and were Rolling from then on! If I remember correctly, the "g" was (commercially) added in connection with the release of their first single "Come on". At t
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QuoteHis Majesty Quotegeorgie48 Based on what evidence did you mention that Brian's Harmony Stratotone was bought in October 1962? In Rolling Stones Gear, info from an interview with Brian's friend Dick Hattrell, who bought the guitar for him. Thanks for the info. Did you read the 2007 "The Gardian" interview in which is stated that Dick Hattrall bought that guitar way
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QuoteHis Majesty The Rolling Stones Gear book helps calrify matters with regards to the supposed photos of the stones debut at the Marquee club. Always a bit dubious that they are from that debut gig imo. Brian's Harmony Stratotone guitar was bought in October 1962, this obviously means the July 1962 photos are not from July 1962 at all as Brian is shown playing his Harmony Stratotone.
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QuoteHairball Quotegeorgie48 QuoteHairball Quotegeorgie48 QuoteHairball QuoteHairball Thanks georgie48 - very nice list. I also like all of those - even Saint of Me! We must be a very small minority who likes that song! But lets make it tougher here (or maybe easier?)...instead of just songs, how about a pick of your top 5 desert island albums? I'll go first: Beggars Banquet L
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QuoteHairball Quotegeorgie48 QuoteHairball QuoteHairball Thanks georgie48 - very nice list. I also like all of those - even Saint of Me! We must be a very small minority who likes that song! But lets make it tougher here (or maybe easier?)...instead of just songs, how about a pick of your top 5 desert island albums? I'll go first: Beggars Banquet Let it Bleed Sticky Fingers
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QuoteHairball QuoteHairball Thanks georgie48 - very nice list. I also like all of those - even Saint of Me! We must be a very small minority who likes that song! But lets make it tougher here (or maybe easier?)...instead of just songs, how about a pick of your top 5 desert island albums? I'll go first: Beggars Banquet Let it Bleed Sticky Fingers Exile Tattoo You This can
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Thanks georgie48 - very nice list. I also like all of those - even Saint of Me! We must be a very small minority who likes that song! But lets make it tougher here (or maybe easier?)...instead of just songs, how about a pick of your top 5 desert island albums? I'll go first: Beggars Banquet Let it Bleed Sticky Fingers Exile Tattoo You This can change though depending on
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Hi Hairball, Indeed very, very tough! I give it a try, but if you would ask me again in a month time ??? (Maybe on a different island? ) 1. Route 66 (live 1965) ..... very loud! 2. (I can't get no) Satisfaction 3. Time waits for no one 4. Saint of me 5. Gimme Shelter The one song I very much dislike is: Sing this song together, part 2
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In 1964 I bought my first RS album: The Rolling Stones. 53 years down the road I have (among other artists that I also listen to) a huge collection of great Stones albums/songs to choose from. I never felt that my age had anything to do with my Stones album/song preferences. To me things like "time of the year", "time of the day", "the weather", "world events&qu
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Quotedcba QuoteStonedAsia The Stones are not guilty of tax evasion. Tax avoidance, which is legal and any smart person would take full advantage of any and all laws, would apply to the Stones organization. And why not? Tax evasion? No. Tax avoidance? Yep. Basically you say "it's not moral but it's legal". That's the defense system of most crooks these days : "y
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QuoteIrix Quoteroller99 By the way, there's this (from 1970). Notice a resemblance? Resemblances like these before: 1967 - Tom Wesselmann, Expo Mouth #10 -- 1969 - Alan Aldridge's 'Day Tripper' illustration (here compared with the 1st North American Edition of 'Sticky Fingers' 1971). Nice approach Irix! As part of "an" inves
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Quoteroller99 QuoteIrix Quoteroller99 What's your point? Do YOU think someone would have done this ad if they didn't have the rights to those images? At least your advertising picture doesn't prove that Ernie Cefalu did his first design of the Tongue&Lips logo before February 1971 or before John Pasche in 1970 .... OMG, are you that thick? Why would a well-known compa
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QuoteIrix Not to forget how it came to the US-Version of the Tongue, which is now the most widely used one - · : Art of the Rolling Stones: Behind That Zipper and That Tongue By JOE COSCARELLI · JUNE 7, 2015 Large versions: Picture-1 · Picture-2 · Picture-3 · Picture-4 · Picture-5 · Picture-6 As the Rolling Stones prepared recently to rerelease “Sticky Fingers,” their clas
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QuoteCristiano Radtke This might be the list to end every other "best of" lists - or at least to start a discussion about why Gomper's rank is so low. There are many ways to interpret this list. One could easily consider it to be an insult to the millions of Rolling Stones fans aging from say the age of 10 to 80. Depending on the time of life each individual fan has his/her
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QuoteIrix QuoteGasLightStreet I don't see any resemblance to the Cefalu tongue. Compare it again .... There's since 2014 an article on the Web which claims: "Ernie Cefalu, whose album design for the International Paper Company show Dolls Alive! led to his later work, the Rolling Stones' Forty Licks cover." This assertion, of course, is false. Sorry I
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