QuoteMathijs QuoteTravelinMan QuoteMathijs QuoteTravelinMan I think Let It Loose was pretty old, Olympic. Loving Cup I now believe was from Nellcote after rewatching the Stones in Exile doc. Torn And Frayed I believe is Nellcote because of Jim Price’s story. Turd On The Run is a mystery. It could have been recorded anywhere. Was Stop Breaking Down at Stargroves or Olympic? L
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QuoteMathijs QuoteTravelinMan QuoteMathijs QuoteFP I think Travelin Man mentioned somewhere else that on Stones in Exile you can hear a demo of Taylor playing the riff on acoustic briefly. This is why we think Taylor plays the dobro part and also why he gets the writing credit. Keith plays the main electric part but Taylor double it on the dobro. That's Keith playing the slide and the do
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QuoteMathijs QuoteFP I think Travelin Man mentioned somewhere else that on Stones in Exile you can hear a demo of Taylor playing the riff on acoustic briefly. This is why we think Taylor plays the dobro part and also why he gets the writing credit. Keith plays the main electric part but Taylor double it on the dobro. That's Keith playing the slide and the dobro. And all guitars on Ha
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QuoteMathijs QuoteTravelinMan I think Let It Loose was pretty old, Olympic. Loving Cup I now believe was from Nellcote after rewatching the Stones in Exile doc. Torn And Frayed I believe is Nellcote because of Jim Price’s story. Turd On The Run is a mystery. It could have been recorded anywhere. Was Stop Breaking Down at Stargroves or Olympic? Loving Cup, T&F and SBD are
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QuoteFP OK so to sum up I think we are all agreed on the following: Most of the Stones were in LA at some point for the Sunset Sound sessions, but the amount of time they spent in the studio and for how long we don't really know. It seems untrue most of the Nellcote tracks were unusable, many of the basic tracks recorded in France were brought over and used. It looks likely both ove
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QuoteTheflyingDutchman I don't care that much who said it. Fact is that the musical interaction between Keith and Taylor was limited, and at the same time brilliant from both sides. Jagger more or less the referee. Did Jagger take sides? Yes, because Taylor was unreliable and too young given the circumstances. Talented as hell though. Did Taylor use his potential? No.Too much time and too
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QuoteTheflyingDutchman Didn't Mick Jagger say that "Keith wanted to protect his songs" in regard to Keith's relationship with Mick Taylor? I think that was Jimmy Miller. I wish Jimmy Miller wrote a book about his adventures.
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FP, I was thinking about this and Star Star is a perfect place for this because I wouldn’t be surprised if somebody told me Taylor or Richards played either guitar on this one. In a sense, it’s a perfect home for this discussion because it shows their skills can cross, like Bye Bye Johnny.
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IMO it’s not just the vibrato but the licks they play. The slide on Tumbling Dice sounds like licks Richards would play even without a slide. Taylor never played slide on Rip This Joint live, and his boogie rhythm live sounds like the other rhythm guitar that’s pretty buried on the record. I do hear some walk down licks live that are similar to that outtake with the crazy slide guitar. Haha wh
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I think Richards might have redone bass because it clashed with an Open G tuning. Perhaps he thought more of an arranger with his own material. Marshall Chess I believe said he did it because he thought he could do it better!
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QuoteDandelionPowderman QuoteTravelinMan QuoteDandelionPowderman All guitars are slide on Ventilator Blues. There is an acoustic which just comps chords as well as the main electric slide, what sounds like a resonator slide, and then the lead that comes in about halfway. Isn't it also doubling the riff with slide at times? Not that I recall. Somebody did a pretty good job isolating all
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QuoteDandelionPowderman All guitars are slide on Ventilator Blues. There is an acoustic which just comps chords as well as the main electric slide, what sounds like a resonator slide, and then the lead that comes in about halfway.
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QuoteTaylor1 There used to be a bootleg on youtube that you can clearly hear Taylor's guitar played throughout Rocks Off. Ibeg to differ but the outro solo is brillant. I do not have the knowledge about guitars like Mathijs and others but to my laymen's ears Taylor's slide on You Gotta Move and Good Time Women do sound very similiar to the slides on Soul Survivoran
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QuoteMathijs QuoteTaylor1 QuoteMathijs Nothing is presented as fact, but if you add everything up there is quite a clear picture to be seen. I do not want to downplay Taylor's role in the Stones, but it is my opinion that he was far less important than what many people state: that he made the golden Stones period great. Now this may be true for the 1972/1973 tours (where I agree), but not fo
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Taylor’s parts can be heard on Rocks Off, but I think his boogie pattern on Rip This Joint is pretty low in the mix. The slide on the bootleg is different from anything I’ve heard him do before so I’m not sure about that. It’s 100% Taylor on Shake Your Hips:
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QuoteFP QuoteTravelinMan QuoteDandelionPowderman But did he play on the backing track session at all? He's not on the early Gimme Shelter-version. If he played, though, he would most likely have played in standard tuning. Both of Keith's electric tracks are in open G. The engineer said he played a Strat. I think Jimmy Johnson confused a Strat with a Telecaster. Taylor said
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QuoteFP QuoteTravelinMan QuoteFP I am pondering if Keith is actually playing all the guitars on Star Star? The left hand rhythm sounds like something Keith had been playing for years. Yeah after reading that old NME article I listened to the track a new way. The chunky rhythm made me think of Richards and the really clean Berry-fills made me think of Taylor on Bye Bye Johnny. Usually Richards u
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QuoteFP I am pondering if Keith is actually playing all the guitars on Star Star? The left hand rhythm sounds like something Keith had been playing for years. Yeah after reading that old NME article I listened to the track a new way. The chunky rhythm made me think of Richards and the really clean Berry-fills made me think of Taylor on Bye Bye Johnny. Usually Richards uses a pretty overdriven t
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QuoteDandelionPowderman But did he play on the backing track session at all? He's not on the early Gimme Shelter-version. If he played, though, he would most likely have played in standard tuning. Both of Keith's electric tracks are in open G. The engineer said he played a Strat.
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QuoteMathijs QuoteTravelinMan Hear the Music: Richards playing the Leslie guitar and Taylor playing the one with what sounds like a fuzz octave pedal. Heartbreaker: Taylor plays the watery lead guitar but I’d have to listen again to see if there is another guitar or not. Heartbreaker: Keith: bass, all electric guitars, acoustic guitar Taylor: lead guitar (solo's) Can't Y
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QuotePalace Revolution 2000 QuoteMathijs QuoteTravelinMan QuoteMathijs QuoteTravelinMan QuoteTravelinMan I listened to this the other day and I was admiring Keith Richards super clean Chuck Berry fills. Really a nice touch with the reverb on those. Some of his best IMO. I think this song absolutely fits on this album as the closer. It’s a hell of a way to end the album. I think they should hav
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QuoteTaylor1 QuoteTravelinMan QuoteTaylor1 QuoteTravelinMan QuoteTaylor1 QuoteTravelinMan QuoteMathijs QuoteTravelinMan QuoteMathijs QuoteTravelinMan QuoteTravelinMan I listened to this the other day and I was admiring Keith Richards super clean Chuck Berry fills. Really a nice touch with the reverb on those. Some of his best IMO. I think this song absolutely fits on this album as the closer.
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QuoteTaylor1 QuoteTravelinMan QuoteTaylor1 QuoteTravelinMan QuoteMathijs QuoteTravelinMan QuoteMathijs QuoteTravelinMan QuoteTravelinMan I listened to this the other day and I was admiring Keith Richards super clean Chuck Berry fills. Really a nice touch with the reverb on those. Some of his best IMO. I think this song absolutely fits on this album as the closer. It’s a hell of a way to end th
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QuoteTaylor1 QuoteTravelinMan QuoteMathijs QuoteTravelinMan QuoteMathijs QuoteTravelinMan QuoteTravelinMan I listened to this the other day and I was admiring Keith Richards super clean Chuck Berry fills. Really a nice touch with the reverb on those. Some of his best IMO. I think this song absolutely fits on this album as the closer. It’s a hell of a way to end the album. I think they should h
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QuoteTheflyingDutchman QuoteTravelinMan I am surprised to hear that’s Taylor playing rhythm throughout because I read an article where the journalist said Keith was playing the rhythm guitar and they decided to have him play solo before the rest of the band joined. Why are you surprised that Taylor played rhythm throughout whatever song? Just that one in particular because when they were
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QuoteDandelionPowderman There is no Mick Taylor-guitar on BS on Sticky Fingers. Has anyone categorized the versions out there in any particular order? A guy that owns the Muscle Shoals tapes said that version is the one from the Gimme Shelter movie. I don’t hear Taylor on that one, but he supposedly played on it.
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QuoteMathijs QuoteTravelinMan QuoteMathijs QuoteTravelinMan QuoteTravelinMan I listened to this the other day and I was admiring Keith Richards super clean Chuck Berry fills. Really a nice touch with the reverb on those. Some of his best IMO. I think this song absolutely fits on this album as the closer. It’s a hell of a way to end the album. I think they should have completed All The Rage bac
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QuoteMathijs QuoteTravelinMan QuoteTravelinMan I listened to this the other day and I was admiring Keith Richards super clean Chuck Berry fills. Really a nice touch with the reverb on those. Some of his best IMO. I think this song absolutely fits on this album as the closer. It’s a hell of a way to end the album. I think they should have completed All The Rage back then and had it open the sec
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QuoteDandelionPowderman QuoteTaylor1 QuoteTravelinMan There is also a lead guitar absolutely buried in the outroDoes sound like Taylor, similarity placed to his solo on the outro onRocks Off.I think he also plays the solo on the break, that doesn’t sound like Keithand it’s an overdub.It sounds a little like his solo on Dead Flowers album version It's not Taylor who did the solo. The ending
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There is also a lead guitar absolutely buried in the outro
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