To be honest, I'd cut Ronnie a hell of a lot more slack if his guitar work with the Stones resembled his solo work more. On his own he's a balls-to-the-wall rock guitarist with great tone, great feel and some pretty good songs (albeit with an admittedly basic technique and sense of harmony). With the Stones, he phones it in, or just flat-out sucks.
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Quotekleermaker QuoteBliss Clearly it upsets and offends you both to hear views on this topic so very different from your own, but really the only way to avoid that on the internet is to refrain from turning on your computer. My first and in principle last post in this thread: I wonder why people get so upset by this subject and by views they don't agree with. As if some people ident
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Quoteangee I'd put it more like this: A tragic and unexpected death occured in the Rolling Stones camp and people are interested in discussing that, not surprisingly. Emotions are running high, which doesn't necessarily bring out the best in everyone. I still like to believe most people are coming from a sincere place. Really, when it comes down to it, when the rhetoric is rem
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Quotekleermaker QuoteDandelionPowderman I love acoustic guitars... Me too, but not when they are (only) strummed, but when they (also) are played distinctively and, at least, are audible. Something like this: That Sister Morphine snippet is wonderful, all the more so because one very rarely hears the more understated Ry Cooder-ish side of Taylor's slide playing.
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Quotedrbryant A post on a Rolling Stones fan forum in a condolence thread for Mick's girlfriend says that Mick betrayed the spirit of the sixties, treated Mick Taylor like shit and has a distasteful attitude towards women. This is followed by a statement basically saying that those expressing feelings of sorrow or grief in the thread are doing so out of some misguided need to feel like an &
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QuoteRokyfan I'm not here 24/7, missed the Cindy thing and ignored all the posts that came after. To equate others who want to discuss the thing honestly with a conclusion that Mick is "at fault" is not fair. I completely agree, but honestly, I still don't see what there is to discuss.
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QuoteRokyfan QuoteDandelionPowderman So for you it's perfectly ok to post that Mick was responsible for her death, hours after her passing? I don't know who posted that, I haven't read that. To say Mick was responsible would be idiotic and facile. I believe what I have read about her being distraught over Mick breaking up with her. If that was a motivating factor, that is not
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Quotedrbryant For the life of me, I can't understand the need to draw attention to oneself in a condolence thread. I guess that's why I'm not a psychologist. I resent this comment. What I posted was not about highlighting my own views: it was a reminder that fandom conflates the public and the private, and that this is something we should all be wary of in the aftermath of such
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Quotekleermaker O well, here's another one who thinks he's morally better than others, killing every useful discussion, nipping every interaction between others in the bud. Kleerie, come on, I like you and you're better than this.
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QuoteDandelionPowderman A real hard core Taylorite... I thought I was pretty hardcore previously, but yeah, ain't got nothin'.
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QuoteDandelionPowderman <to make judgmental pronouncements on Mick's relationship with L'Wren, particularly at this time.> That's exactly what I don't get. Why do anyone think that this is an appropriate thing to do NOW? The only reason I can think of is that one has insider knowledge, and doesn't think too highly of Mick... This. I mean...I hold no candle f
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Quoteonestep Quotemuffie Anybody with links to the Stones camp may suggest this being the time to make better use of MT if proceeding with the Aussie shows in the immediate future. MT is the one performer they have that can distract the attention away from MJ. Something he may have not wanted previously but may be quite desirable now. Hmmm, the use of Mick Jaggers emotional state of mind,
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QuoteGazza I think its an awful, meaningless cliched expression which takes no account of individual circumstances or a person's feelings. As paying customers, I dont think we have the right to demand that a performer just shuts a personal tragedy out of their life for a few hours for the sake of entertaining us. If the Stones were to play shows this week, the entire focus of the show
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Quotetatters Major announcement expected at 10:30 EST, about 90 minutes from now .... Tatters, what is your source for this?
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What on earth do you expect BV to say?
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QuoteDoomandGloomMy feeling on this subject is not simply "More Taylor" but "Less Wood". If Ron were kicking butt, there'd be little to say but it's not true,never been true. His big moment on Love You Live, YCAGWUW is unlistenable by todays standards yet Taylor's best live moments are masterpieces. I love this band and their songs but in my lifetime I've w
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Quotemuffie Wonder who would be the first to point the finger in the wrong direction? As mentioned, a fitting tribute to his former lover: Relax, relax, I'm just bustin' your balls. Actually, I agree that it would be a fitting and exceptionally poignant tribute (as No Expectations in Hyde Park was for Brian Jones).
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Quotemuffie Condolences to L'Wren Scott's family and friends. If the show must go on then perhaps 'Love In Vain' (with MT) would be a fitting tribute to his former lover? I was wondering who the first person to turn this into a 'more Mick Taylor' thread would be
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QuoteDoomandGloom Admittedly Taylor has been inconsistent since his "return", suddenly he's rounding out notes and sounding frighteningly close to his brave, vintage self. Will this be ignored while Ronnie continues to play licks of nothingness? In the meantime be thankful for Bobby Keys.... I've seen two of Taylor's solo gigs over the past couple of years, both times
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QuoteScooby What a shame. I wonder if the tour will be at risk? You have to feel for Mick. Not that it's appropriate to speculate on this so soon after such awful news, but no, it's very hard to imagine the remaining tour dates being fulfilled now.
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Bloody hell. RIP
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Quotekleermaker QuoteStonesCat Just passing it on for discussion. If it has nothing to do with Keith, then why doesn't he let Taylor play one of those two solos on Slipping Away or one on Satisfaction instead of that useless and hardly audible acoustic? Well, Slipping Away and Satisfaction are his songs: he might like Taylor on stage a lot more, but it's evidently not a dealbr
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Quotekleermaker I think you're totally right. The Shanghai MR rendition showed a 'generous' Jagger when he literally allowed Taylor a second solo, which turned into something spectacular. I doubt if it will happen again, but it would be the utmost stretch as far as Taylor's contribution will go. But I'm happily proven wrong. I'd love it if they gave Taylor a real m
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QuoteDoomandGloom Ronnie gets lost in the sauce, the better the band gets the more he needs to step up his parts and get some lead guitar tone, play something a tad spontaneous. True that on MR ending, the redundant throwaway solo in DF, the same loop part over and over for JJF and the slide butchery of ADTL.. If Taylor were dead he'd be spinning. The single worst guitar part played in this
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QuoteRokyfan They hardly play it, who knows if they will play it again. It's a showpiece for Taylor so it's out. Rambler is fine because he's part of the group. Jagger's goal is to not have people talking about how much better the band is with Taylor, that's why they hardly use him, and when they do it is in songs where he does not stand out. Exactly this
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Quotes083874 "Midnight Rambler is a centrepiece of their set anyway, Taylor or no Taylor". No. Not by a long shot. But it is. I agree that Taylor's contributions make it immeasurably better, but it's still an epic, sprawling, time-shifting blues operetta that's totally different from anything else in the Stones' setlist. Rambler is the dramatic zenith of every s
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QuoteTurd On The Run As far as MT "Sacrificing" himself on this tour ... bollocks ... he feels privileged to be where he is ... You know this how? Have you spoken to him about it? QuoteTurd On The Run now it is time to integrate him fully into these shows and come back to Europe and the U.S. with renewed vigour and purpose ... Taylor gives them that extra gear that takes them int
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QuoteEJM Well - re profile,and platform - these big shows often introduce a younger audience to band members - my neice had never heard of mick taylor and after seeing the Hyde Park Gig is now seeking out Mick tayler music - it's not just the old guard who remember mick Taylor from the past. Mick and Ronnie had a good time playing together and may do more in the future if relationships
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QuoteEJM Why would he feel the need to bail out of a few more months of very high profile lucrative work, annoying Ronnie, who has been very generous IMO, when it could act as a great platform for the future? I'm not saying that this is definitely going to happen, or even that it's likely. Nonetheless, some thoughts: 1) The 50th anniversary tours have already raised Taylor's
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Quote71Tele Really? Go listen to Sway and Stop Breaking Down and tell me his playing is redundant. That's Jagger doing the rhythm part on Stop Breaking Down? Man, you learn something new every day.
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