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ProfessorWolf
can i ask you two to describe what these unique mono mixes sound like?
what's the difference between the two different mono mixes of all down the line?
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ProfessorWolf
can i ask you two to describe what these unique mono mixes sound like?
what's the difference between the two different mono mixes of all down the line?
I can't tell you, if this mono mix is a 3rd different mix, but maybe it's the same like the mono 7" version of Tumbling Dice. The mean different part starts at 2.46, when the "keep on rolling" chorus comes earlier. They sing it 5 times on the mono version, 3 times on the stereo version. Also the reverb of the backing choir is very slightly different. Maybe an owner of this ultra rare single can tell us more.
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can i ask you two to describe what these unique mono mixes sound like?
what's the difference between the two different mono mixes of all down the line?
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ProfessorWolf
can i ask you two to describe what these unique mono mixes sound like?
what's the difference between the two different mono mixes of all down the line?
ProfessorWolf, I have just now been able to play the Rocks Off (SAM3) along with a UK 1st pressing of Exile's Rocks Off to compare. In the Mono, Jagger is not only in my music room and up front in the middle, one can hear a certain "edge" to his vocal that is not present in the stereo. Also, Wyman's bass is much more "thumping". As we get into the fade out, but prior to (4:20-ish) where one typically hears (Taylor's) "smooth" guitar "lead", one hears (Keith) doing some groovy rhythm-licks that I never heard on any other Rocks Off. There is also a bit more piano up front as the fade goes thru. Definitely, to my ears (and to others I know who have heard this) not a fold down, but a dedicated mono mix. Rocks Off on Exile is my all time favorite Stones' studio track, and I have never heard anything like I hear on the SAM3 anywhere, be it outtakes, the Nicky Hopkins tapes, or anywhere.
Stay tuned for the All Down the Line (SAM3) report.
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can i ask you two to describe what these unique mono mixes sound like?
what's the difference between the two different mono mixes of all down the line?
ProfessorWolf, I have just now been able to play the Rocks Off (SAM3) along with a UK 1st pressing of Exile's Rocks Off to compare. In the Mono, Jagger is not only in my music room and up front in the middle, one can hear a certain "edge" to his vocal that is not present in the stereo. Also, Wyman's bass is much more "thumping". As we get into the fade out, but prior to (4:20-ish) where one typically hears (Taylor's) "smooth" guitar "lead", one hears (Keith) doing some groovy rhythm-licks that I never heard on any other Rocks Off. There is also a bit more piano up front as the fade goes thru. Definitely, to my ears (and to others I know who have heard this) not a fold down, but a dedicated mono mix. Rocks Off on Exile is my all time favorite Stones' studio track, and I have never heard anything like I hear on the SAM3 anywhere, be it outtakes, the Nicky Hopkins tapes, or anywhere.
Stay tuned for the All Down the Line (SAM3) report.
ah! i'm so jealous you get to hear that
can't wait to hear your description of all down the line
do you think the stones have these mixes preserved in there vaults?
and have you digitized them or are planning to just in case they don't?
not necessarily asking you to share them or anything like that
it's just that exile isn't just a great album by a band we like it's truly a work of art on par with the best humanity has ever produced
i guarantee you in a 1000 years when the stones and the rest of there music is forgotten to all but historians
exile will still be admired and listened to and performed by music lovers all round the world
i hope you appreciate how incredibly important what you have is
its like having a previously unknown early version of michelangelo's david in your possession
it's not just something you own but something that future generations deserve to own as part of the collective cultural heritage of the human race
i don't mean to imply that you will not take the greatest effort to preserve and care for these records and that you don't already understand there value
but as a music lover and fan i felt i had to express this
thank you so much for sharing what you have
hope i didn't come off as to sanctimonious and preachy[/size]
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ProfessorWolf
can i ask you two to describe what these unique mono mixes sound like?
what's the difference between the two different mono mixes of all down the line?
ProfessorWolf, I have just now been able to play the Rocks Off (SAM3) along with a UK 1st pressing of Exile's Rocks Off to compare. In the Mono, Jagger is not only in my music room and up front in the middle, one can hear a certain "edge" to his vocal that is not present in the stereo. Also, Wyman's bass is much more "thumping". As we get into the fade out, but prior to (4:20-ish) where one typically hears (Taylor's) "smooth" guitar "lead", one hears (Keith) doing some groovy rhythm-licks that I never heard on any other Rocks Off. There is also a bit more piano up front as the fade goes thru. Definitely, to my ears (and to others I know who have heard this) not a fold down, but a dedicated mono mix. Rocks Off on Exile is my all time favorite Stones' studio track, and I have never heard anything like I hear on the SAM3 anywhere, be it outtakes, the Nicky Hopkins tapes, or anywhere.
Stay tuned for the All Down the Line (SAM3) report.
ah! i'm so jealous you get to hear that
can't wait to hear your description of all down the line
do you think the stones have these mixes preserved in there vaults?
and have you digitized them or are planning to just in case they don't?
not necessarily asking you to share them or anything like that
it's just that exile isn't just a great album by a band we like it's truly a work of art on par with the best humanity has ever produced
i guarantee you in a 1000 years when the stones and the rest of there music is forgotten to all but historians
exile will still be admired and listened to and performed by music lovers all round the world
i hope you appreciate how incredibly important what you have is
its like having a previously unknown early version of michelangelo's david in your possession
it's not just something you own but something that future generations deserve to own as part of the collective cultural heritage of the human race
i don't mean to imply that you will not take the greatest effort to preserve and care for these records and that you don't already understand there value
but as a music lover and fan i felt i had to express this
thank you so much for sharing what you have
hope i didn't come off as to sanctimonious and preachy[/size]
ProfessorWolf, as someone who has collected this band over the world wide for over 50 years, I suggest to you that I truly do understand exactly what these SAM test-pressing 45s are in the big scope of Stones-collecting and music, which is probably why I was as passionate as I was earlier in this thread. While I am a hardcore Stones' collector, within that, I am a fervent Exile collector as my favorite of all LPs and of Rocks Off as my favorite of all songs, so this is even more to my core as a Stones' fan. It is always good to meet a kindred spirit like you and some others in this thread (Shawn!), and I look forward to reading more of what you have to say on Stones' music.
The companion 45 to this, Happy c/w Shine a Light (SAM4), appears on p. 401 of Bill Wyman's Rolling With the Stones, so I imagine the band probably has these recordings/mixes. I have no plans to digitize them, because record players will never suffer from debilitating format changes.
The All Down the Line from (SAM3) is neither the US 45 "single" version (RS-24186) or the "2010 Japanese bonus track" version. It is clear Mono mix of a version/take more akin to the LP version or the version which appears on a very rare US Promo 45 having a matrix of SR-RS-24186 with Stereo printed on both sides of the label of the WLP. Again, this ADTL is Mono with Mick much more prevalent and isolated in the mix. Otherwise, it is not too distant of a cut from the LP version, though it is only 3:50, which is 0:05 shorter than the LP version. While a unique Mono mix (I have not found another like it, and I own 10 different ADTL 45s), ADTL is not nearly as revelatory or unique as is its flip-side, Rocks Off.
Some of what appears earlier in this thread is being discussed elsewhere in the Hoffman Forum at Hoffman Forum on SAM 45s
Finally, ProfessorWolf, if you will respond with your email, I will contact your privately to discuss in more detail.
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If people have these rare Exile singles then why wouldn't they share the images and the recordings with the rest of us?
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If people have these rare Exile singles then why wouldn't they share the images and the recordings with the rest of us?
See here: [Forums.SteveHoffman.tv] .
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If people have these rare Exile singles then why wouldn't they share the images and the recordings with the rest of us?
See here: [Forums.SteveHoffman.tv] .
I read that thread. I even commented at the end. What about it?
.... I haven't seen or heard proof that anyone has any SAM.....
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I haven't seen or heard proof that anyone has any SAM.