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POST: Undercover sessions project - Volume 7 (FP 068)
Posted by: StonyRoad ()
Date: April 21, 2020 15:58

UNDERCOVER SESSIONS
Presentation, objectives and thanks:
An attempt to compile all UNDERCOVER sessions that are in circulation and to rework them

This project was initiated in April/May 2019. In this period parts of the Art Collins Tapes (tapes from the estate of Art Collins, a former executive of Rolling Stones Records) came in circulation on The Outsider Bird Records ‘Bird's Vault’-series and also on DAC.
Fiddling with them around at first, I noticed that most of them had speed problems. First I started with the tracks that also appear on official albums, making synchronization mixes to find out the correct speed. Lots of the files from the Undercover sessions on the Art Collins Tapes (a/k/a ACT) needed to be decelerated by -3,863%, sometimes they were already decelerated on the published bootlegs… but not always in the correct speed.
So I started with OBR, then the DAC ones. Later I decided to make a compilation of all the circulating material from the Undercover sessions. At last I decided to put all the « circulated » versions in front of my reworked versions so you can make your own idea and delete what you don’t like…
Recently (March 2020) Mr D. decided to put the whole of the ACT in circulation. So I had to check them all to see what is newly circulating to be added to this compilation (in fact not too much except for the « Too Much Blood » variations)

I decided to post it in 7 parts, with for each volume the first CD containing only the untouched versions and the second my DIY. I left the many versions of "Too Much Blood" on the last two CD’s without reworking them: they form the 8th volume: a total of 16CD’s!
For this compilation I did not keep the versions that were used for official releases (b-sides, dub versions ...)
I used Nico Zentgraf's Rolling Stones Complete Works Database a lot: [www.nzentgraf.de] of which I tried to respect the chronology and the order of the proposed versions. It was not always easy to spot the different versions; the result is not perfect and surely criticizable. I was able to make (I certainly do!) errors ... I thank you in advance for helping me to rectify them. Don’t forget all this is done for pleasure and passion....
I also used the Rolling Stones Bootleg Database: [www.dbboots.com]
I thank them warmly and also my partners in crime, Jaap and nzb, for their advice and revisions!
....................................................................

VOLUME 7 :
CD 7a (untouched versions) & CD 7b (reworked versions)

Part IV : April 1983: Nassau, Bahamas, Compass Point Studios;
early May - 9th May & sporadically mid May - late May: NYC, The Hit Factory;
(& maybe early June [MJ alone]: Nassau, Bahamas, Compass Point Studios);
late June - 1st August (with breaks): New York City, The Hit Factory.
01a - Dog Shit (7’41) (OBR) - instrumental, with full brass-arrangement
01b - Dog Shit (7’36) FP 039 version
02a - She Was Hot #3a (4’58) (ACT) unknown version with piano (STU ?) same verses as #3 so anterior to the version use for the « promovideo » …..so I call it #3a
02b - She Was Hot #3a (4’59) decelerated by -0, 330%n and duplicated
03a - She Was Hot #3b (5’17) (DAC 111) - promovideo version, different intro, one more verse
03b - She Was Hot #3b (5’17) - reworked
04a - She Was Hot #6 (6’55) (DAC 182) - long version with lots of keyboards at the end
04b - She Was Hot #6 (6’57) decelerated by -0, 330%n and duplicated
05a - She Was Hot #7 (6’59) (DAC 187) - version VI with double-tracked vocals; leaked to and aired from US radio station WYSP
05b - She Was Hot #7 (6’58) - reworked
06a - Too Tough #2 (4’33) (OBR) - unedited version III with more slide guitar and drum breaks-end
06b - Too Tough #2 (4’28) accelerated by + 0,920% different version from FP 049 (no duplication)
07a - Wanna Hold You #7 (3’15) (Goldplate) - edited ‘Undercover’ LP-version
07b - Wanna Hold You #7 (3’15) - reworked
08a - Undercover Of The Night #2 (DAC 109) (4’10) - instr., mainly dr & perc, some gtr at end
08b - Undercover Of The Night #2 (4’20) - reworked
09a - Undercover Of The Night #3¨ (DAC 109) (3’40) - instr., dr & perc, more gtr plus some bass
09b - Undercover Of The Night # 3 - reworked : slowed -3,3% to be synchro with #2 & duplicated
10a - Undercover Of The Night #4a (DAC 182) 4’15 - faster with add. ac gtr, no gtr intro , cow bell
10b - Undercover Of The Night #4a (4’13) - reworked
11a - Undercover Of The Night #4b (4’18) - slightly slowed with Ac gtr, no gtr intro & guitar then
11b - Undercover Of The Night #4b (4’15) - reworked
12a - Undercover Of The Night #5 (DAC 187) (4’21) - two dr beats & gtr intro, early vocals
12b - Undercover Of The Night #5 (4’23) mix of the two DAC (159 & 187)
( last seconds from DAC 159) then decelerated by 0,74% to be synchro with the official
13a - Undercover Of The Night #6 or #7 ? (DAC 109) (4’48)
13b - Undercover Of The Night #6 or #7 ? (4’49) - Slowed -0,1% and duplicated
14a - Undercover Of The Night (DAC 181) (4’21) - (WYSP version)
14b - Undercover Of The Night (4’21) - reworked
15a - TV Premiere « She Was Hot » - first part (4'59) : MJ interviews and short songs extracts from « Friday Night Video » (NBC US TV program)
15b - Too Much Blood #3 (8’08) decelerated by - 2% to be synchro with official version, then mix between OBR (left channel) and DAC 182 (right)
16a - TV Premiere « She Was Hot » - second part (5’08) with the video soundtrack and outro





Posted by StonyRoad in 2020 on IORR: [iorr.org]
link valid until 28/04/20
[we.tl]
last volume tommorrow

Norbert
email: stonyroad58@gmail.com



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2020-04-21 16:00 by StonyRoad.

Re: POST: Undercover sessions project - Volume 7 (FP 068)
Posted by: Quique-stone ()
Date: April 21, 2020 16:01

Thanks one more time Norbert! smileys with beer

Re: POST: Undercover sessions project - Volume 7 (FP 068)
Posted by: Andrea82 ()
Date: April 21, 2020 16:46

Thanks!

Re: POST: Undercover sessions project - Volume 7 (FP 068)
Posted by: nbutton ()
Date: April 21, 2020 16:47

Thank you

Re: POST: Undercover sessions project - Volume 7 (FP 068)
Posted by: BlueTurns2Grey ()
Date: April 21, 2020 16:59

Thank you once again !

Re: POST: Undercover sessions project - Volume 7 (FP 068)
Posted by: Heartbreaker 69 ()
Date: April 21, 2020 17:07

Thanks a lot Norbert!

Re: POST: Undercover sessions project - Volume 7 (FP 068)
Posted by: 1fatum ()
Date: April 21, 2020 17:55

Thank you

Re: POST: Undercover sessions project - Volume 7 (FP 068)
Posted by: Norbert ()
Date: April 21, 2020 20:01

Thanks a lot!
CrazyMama

Re: POST: Undercover sessions project - Volume 7 (FP 068)
Posted by: westonkeef ()
Date: April 21, 2020 20:20

Thanks for all of it!

Re: POST: Undercover sessions project - Volume 7 (FP 068)
Posted by: finn ()
Date: April 21, 2020 20:41

Thank You!

Re: POST: Undercover sessions project - Volume 7 (FP 068)
Posted by: Amarant ()
Date: April 21, 2020 23:28

Thanks very much!!!

Re: POST: Undercover sessions project - Volume 7 (FP 068)
Posted by: damerefugio ()
Date: April 22, 2020 00:32

Thanks!! Norbert mi amigo !! smileys with beer

Re: POST: Undercover sessions project - Volume 7 (FP 068)
Posted by: ahgriorr ()
Date: April 22, 2020 01:29

Thanks

Re: POST: Undercover sessions project - Volume 7 (FP 068)
Posted by: Dogzilla ()
Date: April 22, 2020 04:34

i have enjoyed this series thank you

Re: POST: Undercover sessions project - Volume 7 (FP 068)
Posted by: okenny ()
Date: April 22, 2020 05:01

Thanks very much
This is GREAT JOB!

Re: POST: Undercover sessions project - Volume 7 (FP 068)
Posted by: mariano ()
Date: April 22, 2020 05:12

Great great great!!!

Thank you

Re: POST: Undercover sessions project - Volume 7 (FP 068)
Posted by: stonesmuziekfan ()
Date: April 22, 2020 10:35

THX

Also available in Stonesvault

[www.filefactory.com]

Re: POST: Undercover sessions project - Volume 7 (FP 068)
Posted by: ikikmanuel4 ()
Date: April 23, 2020 21:34

Thanks man,thumbs up

Re: POST: Undercover sessions project - Volume 7 (FP 068)
Posted by: imthemastah ()
Date: June 29, 2020 04:45

Belated appreciation for this project. Fantastic stuff.

Question about versions of Undercover, looking for all the ones that Nico has listed.

On Gemstones 7 there's this acoustic version, seems earlier/rougher than anything on this collection. It's Keith alone on acoustic guitar but seems to be something he might have done before he worked the song out with Mick in version 2 (on CD 1 of this collection) [WeTransfer of an MP3 version: [we.tl] ]

I have Wanna Hold You 1 on Bird's Vault Volume 2

The Complete Undercover Sessions (https://dbboots.com/bootlegs.php?op=showcont&cmd=show&bootkey=3703) - GP-1701 has a few versions, some of which I've been able to eliminate as this collection replaces them, but I've still got a version that's 3:08 and one that's 3:17 from that set that don't seem to match to any Nico's descriptions and seem basically finished versions that aren't maybe run short or are at different speeds, but I can't say for certain what they are.

Thanks for any perspective on these tracks, I can upload the other examples if that will help...

Re: POST: Undercover sessions project - Volume 7 (FP 068)
Posted by: StonyRoad ()
Date: June 29, 2020 14:39

Quote
imthemastah
Belated appreciation for this project. Fantastic stuff.

Question about versions of Undercover, looking for all the ones that Nico has listed.

On Gemstones 7 there's this acoustic version, seems earlier/rougher than anything on this collection. It's Keith alone on acoustic guitar but seems to be something he might have done before he worked the song out with Mick in version 2 (on CD 1 of this collection) [WeTransfer of an MP3 version: [we.tl] ]

I have Wanna Hold You 1 on Bird's Vault Volume 2

The Complete Undercover Sessions (https://dbboots.com/bootlegs.php?op=showcont&cmd=show&bootkey=3703) - GP-1701 has a few versions, some of which I've been able to eliminate as this collection replaces them, but I've still got a version that's 3:08 and one that's 3:17 from that set that don't seem to match to any Nico's descriptions and seem basically finished versions that aren't maybe run short or are at different speeds, but I can't say for certain what they are.

Thanks for any perspective on these tracks, I can upload the other examples if that will help...
Hi I'm not home and here I have a poor connection.. I will check this in few days
Norbert

Re: POST: Undercover sessions project - Volume 7 (FP 068)
Posted by: KevinM ()
Date: July 2, 2020 05:05

Quote
imthemastah
Belated appreciation for this project. Fantastic stuff.

Question about versions of Undercover, looking for all the ones that Nico has listed.

On Gemstones 7 there's this acoustic version, seems earlier/rougher than anything on this collection. It's Keith alone on acoustic guitar but seems to be something he might have done before he worked the song out with Mick[/b][/b] in version 2 (on CD 1 of this collection) [WeTransfer of an MP3 version: [we.tl] ]

I have Wanna Hold You 1 on Bird's Vault Volume 2

The Complete Undercover Sessions (https://dbboots.com/bootlegs.php?op=showcont&cmd=show&bootkey=3703) - GP-1701 has a few versions, some of which I've been able to eliminate as this collection replaces them, but I've still got a version that's 3:08 and one that's 3:17 from that set that don't seem to match to any Nico's descriptions and seem basically finished versions that aren't maybe run short or are at different speeds, but I can't say for certain what they are.

Thanks for any perspective on these tracks, I can upload the other examples if that will help...

Interesting...

Re: POST: Undercover sessions project - Volume 7 (FP 068)
Posted by: wiredallnight ()
Date: July 2, 2020 08:36

The acoustic "Wanna Hold You" is from here:

831200B December: KEITH RICHARDS. Cabo San Lucas, Mexico, hotel room.
- Oh Boy (Norman Petty/Bill Tilghman/Sunny West)
- So Sad (Don Everly)
- Cathy’s Clown (Don and Phil Everly)
- I Wonder Who’s Kissing Her Now I (Joseph Howard/Frank Adams/William Hough)
- Memphis, Tennessee (Chuck Berry)
- Wanna Hold You (MJ/KR)
- All Shook Up (Otis Blackwell/Elvis Presley)
- Let’s Spend The Night Together (MJ/KR)
- Wild Horses (MJ/KR)
- Time Is On My Side (Jerry Ragavoy/Jimmy Norman)
- All In My Mind (Fred Johnson/Leroy Kirkland/Maxine Brown)
- Tutti Frutti (Dorothy La Bostrie/Richard Penniman/Joe Lubin)
- Blue Moon (Richard Rodgers/Lorenz Hart)
- Sing Me Back Home (Merle Haggard)
- You Win Again (Hank Williams)
- Born To Lose (Ted Daffan)
- Think It Over (Charles Hardin Holley)
- It’s So Easy (Charles Hardin Holley/Norman Petty)
- Well All Right (Frances Faye/Don Raye/Dan Howell)
- Summertime Blues (Eddie Cochran/Jerry Capeheart)
- Crying, Waiting, Hoping (Charles Hardin Holley)
- That’ll Be The Day (Jerry Allison/Charles Hardin Holley/Norman Petty)
- Love Is Strange (Mickey Baker/Ellas McDaniel/Sylvia Robinson)
- Learning The Game (Charles Hardin Holley)
- Please Please Me (John Lennon/Paul McCartney)
- Please Stay (Bob Hilliard/Burt Bacharach)
- Sweet Dreams I (Don Gibson)
- Apartment Number Nine (Johnny Paycheck/Bobby Austin)
- Since You Broke My Heart (Don Everly)
- She Even Woke Me Up To Say Goodbye (Mickey Newbury/Doug Gilmore)
- Careless Ethiopians (Toots Hibbert) -re-started
- Let It Be Me (Mann Curtis/Gilbert Becaud/Pierre Delanoe)
- Heartbeat (Bob Montgomery/Norman Petty)
- Donna (Richie Valens)
- I Got Stripes (Johnny Cash/Charlie Williams)
- If You See Her, Say Hello (Bob Dylan)
- Can’t Take A Joke ( ) -probably improvisation
- Granada (Augustin Lara/Dorothy Dodd) -instrumental
- Sweet Dreams II (Don Gibson)
- Never On Sunday I (Manos Hadjidakis/Billy Towne) -instrumental
- 32-20 Blues (Robert Johnson)
- Devoted To You (Boudleaux Bryant)
- I Wonder Who’s Kissing Her Now II (Joseph Howard/Frank Adams/William Hough)
- Try A Little Tenderness (Harry Woods/James Campbell/Reginald Conelly)
- Flamenco improvisation
- Problems (Felice and Boudleaux Bryant)
- Brand New Heartache (Felipe and Boudleaux Bryant)
- Beast Of Burden (MJ/KR)
- No Expectations (MJ/KR)
- Never On Sunday II (Manos Hadjidakis/Billy Towne) -instrumental
- Wishing (Charles Hardin Holley/Bobby Montgomery)
Musicians: KR (gtr, voc)/Stroker (bvoc; some songs)

Re: POST: Undercover sessions project - Volume 7 (FP 068)
Posted by: StonyRoad ()
Date: July 2, 2020 10:30

Quote
wiredallnight
The acoustic "Wanna Hold You" is from here:

831200B December: KEITH RICHARDS. Cabo San Lucas, Mexico, hotel room.
- Oh Boy (Norman Petty/Bill Tilghman/Sunny West)
- So Sad (Don Everly)
- Cathy’s Clown (Don and Phil Everly)
- I Wonder Who’s Kissing Her Now I (Joseph Howard/Frank Adams/William Hough)
- Memphis, Tennessee (Chuck Berry)
- Wanna Hold You (MJ/KR)
- All Shook Up (Otis Blackwell/Elvis Presley)
- Let’s Spend The Night Together (MJ/KR)
- Wild Horses (MJ/KR)
- Time Is On My Side (Jerry Ragavoy/Jimmy Norman)
- All In My Mind (Fred Johnson/Leroy Kirkland/Maxine Brown)
- Tutti Frutti (Dorothy La Bostrie/Richard Penniman/Joe Lubin)
- Blue Moon (Richard Rodgers/Lorenz Hart)
- Sing Me Back Home (Merle Haggard)
- You Win Again (Hank Williams)
- Born To Lose (Ted Daffan)
- Think It Over (Charles Hardin Holley)
- It’s So Easy (Charles Hardin Holley/Norman Petty)
- Well All Right (Frances Faye/Don Raye/Dan Howell)
- Summertime Blues (Eddie Cochran/Jerry Capeheart)
- Crying, Waiting, Hoping (Charles Hardin Holley)
- That’ll Be The Day (Jerry Allison/Charles Hardin Holley/Norman Petty)
- Love Is Strange (Mickey Baker/Ellas McDaniel/Sylvia Robinson)
- Learning The Game (Charles Hardin Holley)
- Please Please Me (John Lennon/Paul McCartney)
- Please Stay (Bob Hilliard/Burt Bacharach)
- Sweet Dreams I (Don Gibson)
- Apartment Number Nine (Johnny Paycheck/Bobby Austin)
- Since You Broke My Heart (Don Everly)
- She Even Woke Me Up To Say Goodbye (Mickey Newbury/Doug Gilmore)
- Careless Ethiopians (Toots Hibbert) -re-started
- Let It Be Me (Mann Curtis/Gilbert Becaud/Pierre Delanoe)
- Heartbeat (Bob Montgomery/Norman Petty)
- Donna (Richie Valens)
- I Got Stripes (Johnny Cash/Charlie Williams)
- If You See Her, Say Hello (Bob Dylan)
- Can’t Take A Joke ( ) -probably improvisation
- Granada (Augustin Lara/Dorothy Dodd) -instrumental
- Sweet Dreams II (Don Gibson)
- Never On Sunday I (Manos Hadjidakis/Billy Towne) -instrumental
- 32-20 Blues (Robert Johnson)
- Devoted To You (Boudleaux Bryant)
- I Wonder Who’s Kissing Her Now II (Joseph Howard/Frank Adams/William Hough)
- Try A Little Tenderness (Harry Woods/James Campbell/Reginald Conelly)
- Flamenco improvisation
- Problems (Felice and Boudleaux Bryant)
- Brand New Heartache (Felipe and Boudleaux Bryant)
- Beast Of Burden (MJ/KR)
- No Expectations (MJ/KR)
- Never On Sunday II (Manos Hadjidakis/Billy Towne) -instrumental
- Wishing (Charles Hardin Holley/Bobby Montgomery)
Musicians: KR (gtr, voc)/Stroker (bvoc; some songs)

well see! So this is not a part of the "Undercover sessions"

Re: POST: Undercover sessions project - Volume 7 (FP 068)
Posted by: StonyRoad ()
Date: July 2, 2020 10:45

Quote
imthemastah
Belated appreciation for this project. Fantastic stuff.

Question about versions of Undercover, looking for all the ones that Nico has listed.

On Gemstones 7 there's this acoustic version, seems earlier/rougher than anything on this collection. It's Keith alone on acoustic guitar but seems to be something he might have done before he worked the song out with Mick in version 2 (on CD 1 of this collection) [WeTransfer of an MP3 version: [we.tl] ]

I have Wanna Hold You 1 on Bird's Vault Volume 2

The Complete Undercover Sessions (https://dbboots.com/bootlegs.php?op=showcont&cmd=show&bootkey=3703) - GP-1701 has a few versions, some of which I've been able to eliminate as this collection replaces them, but I've still got a version that's 3:08 and one that's 3:17 from that set that don't seem to match to any Nico's descriptions and seem basically finished versions that aren't maybe run short or are at different speeds, but I can't say for certain what they are.

Thanks for any perspective on these tracks, I can upload the other examples if that will help...
I checked the Goldplate version and it containt no "original" stuff: only already published material and some official rarities: I think they're edited versions



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2020-07-02 11:06 by StonyRoad.

Re: POST: Undercover sessions project - Volume 7 (FP 068)
Posted by: imthemastah ()
Date: July 2, 2020 16:26

Thanks for the help. If you ever do a revision, maybe the Bird's Vault version could be included?

Re: POST: Undercover sessions project - Volume 7 (FP 068)
Posted by: StonyRoad ()
Date: July 2, 2020 16:53

Quote
imthemastah
Thanks for the help. If you ever do a revision, maybe the Bird's Vault version could be included?
it's already there:
track 07a on volume 1: "OBR" = Outsider Birds Records = Bird's Vault ...here Vol 2



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2020-07-02 16:55 by StonyRoad.

Re: POST: Undercover sessions project - Volume 7 (FP 068)
Posted by: imthemastah ()
Date: July 2, 2020 23:49

Apologies! I think I liked that version better so I deleted yours and then forgot I did that so when I came back to compare versions I just saw a gap and blamed you instead of myself. Anyway I'm happy now and appreciate this clarification!

Re: POST: Undercover sessions project - Volume 7 (FP 068)
Posted by: StonyRoad ()
Date: July 2, 2020 23:59

Quote
imthemastah
Apologies! I think I liked that version better so I deleted yours and then forgot I did that so when I came back to compare versions I just saw a gap and blamed you instead of myself. Anyway I'm happy now and appreciate this clarification!
no problem,
all this is only fun and I appreciated that you take the time to compar and not only download and store



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