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HMN

Vilain Français...

Good to see that this crap won' t leave the french borders. Sorry Pascal, but thi is something for your internal affairs.
But what is on a 2 disc-set when it' s presented in mp3/320 kBs? So much space left for nothing...

I created a fake name and started bidding up on some of these.

Sure Jörg it's pure crap and pure crook !
Good idea Dan

HMN

Can't we use this link at eBay

[pages.ebay.fr]

and try to remove the offer?

Indeed you can , but what's the use, I ain't a cop I just don't like crooks !

HMN

hhmm I recognise that artwork:

[www.ebay.fr]

[www.ebay.fr]



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hhmm I recognise that artwork:

[www.ebay.fr]

[www.ebay.fr]

I did too! You should get credited!

That reminds me.

Spin Off thread ->

Sorry guys. I'm broke. I needed beer money.
It'll only be the one time...

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Vilain Français...

oui, mais
Que penser d'entreprises de centaines de milliers de personnes qui proposent des logiciels de m comme la suite works avec laquelle j'en chie tant;
on ne peut pas garder une fenêtre de recherche (avec une dialog box dans le langage des Microsoft Foundation Classes) ouverte & éditer/modif la chaîne de caractères sur laquelle on a fait la recherche et si on fait ça 100 fois par jour je vous dis pas le temps perdu
& que dire de mon application AOL (mais comme j'ai 4000 adr mail ds mes mail-lists je n'ose pas changer d'adr mail de peur que des fan ne puissent plus me contacter)
qui m'oblige à fermer un fichier avant de pouvoir l'envoyer en pièce jointe: je ne vois pas pourquoi ce serait incompatible: c'est celui qui édite le fichier qui sait quelle occurence (oui on appelle ça une occurence) de son fichier il veut envoyer...(s'il est entrain de modifier un fichier; à lui d'enregistrer les modif s'il veut que sa pièce jointe soit à jour mais ce n'est pas à AOL de décider de ça)
& quand vous envoyez 70 mails par jour avec des fichiers joints, c'est de la folie
voilà comment je deviens dingue & comment je suis retardé dans mes affaires
il y a des "techniciens de haut vol" qui comprennent ce que je veux dire là ?
ou je parle chinois?

on accuse toujours facilement la personne "individuelle", mais quand il s'agit de s'en prendre à un mastodonte, là c'est différent...: lâcheté ???

SINON, comme (pratiquement) toujours, ceux qui vendent des gravés parlent de "CD":
terme qui laisse plâner une ambiguité; pour éviter les problèmes et les mauvaises surprises à l'acheteur, quand on vend du gravé, il faut clairement annoncer CD-R ou DVD-R...là dans cette annonce, c'est seulement en bas de l'annonce avec:
"GRAVURE EN 10X SUR CD VERBATIM VINYL" que l'acheteur se met à comprendre que ce n'est pas un silver pressed; mais quand l'acheteur est l'acheteur moyen de priceminister (par exemple) qui fait 15 fautes d'orthographe par ligne et qu'il ne sait pas faire la différence entre un fichier(file) & un dossier(folder) (ou que lorsqu'on lui demande quel est son système d'exploitation: il croit qu'on lui parle en chinois), ça m'étonnerait que cet acheteur "moyen" comprenne qu'il sagit d'un CD-R & NON d'un FACTORY SILVER PRESSED

En tout cas mes deals mondiaux m'ont appris que les Américains détestent le mensonge & ils ont raison & effectivement il vaut mieux tout préciser au départ pour qu'on ne puisse rien reprocher au vendeur & qu'il ait la paix ensuite plutôt que faire croire que tout va bien se passer... alors que le diable est dans les détails (proverbe allemand)

mais pour un expert: sans voir l'annonce, il est évident qu'on n'a pas le temps de presser un CD & le faire industriellement (comme godfather par ex) si peu de temps après que le concert ait eu lieu & forcément c'est du gravé...



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Vilain Français...

oui, mais
Que penser d'entreprises de centaines de milliers de personnes qui proposent des logiciels de m comme la suite works avec laquelle j'en chie tant;
on ne peut pas garder une fenêtre de recherche (avec une dialog box dans le langage des Microsoft Foundation Classes) ouverte & éditer/modif la chaîne de caractères sur laquelle on a fait la recherche et si on fait ça 100 fois par jour je vous dis pas le temps perdu
& que dire de mon application AOL (mais comme j'ai 4000 adr mail ds mes mail-lists je n'ose pas changer d'adr mail de peur que des fan ne puissent plus me contacter)
qui m'oblige à fermer un fichier avant de pouvoir l'envoyer en pièce jointe: je ne vois pas pourquoi ce serait incompatible: c'est celui qui édite le fichier qui sait quelle occurence (oui on appelle ça une occurence) de son fichier il veut envoyer...(s'il est entrain de modifier un fichier; à lui d'enregistrer les modif s'il veut que sa pièce jointe soit à jour mais ce n'est pas à AOL de décider de ça)
& quand vous envoyez 70 mails par jour avec des fichiers joints, c'est de la folie
voilà comment je deviens dingue & comment je suis retardé dans mes affaires
il y a des "techniciens de haut vol" qui comprennent ce que je veux dire là ?
ou je parle chinois?

on accuse toujours facilement la personne "individuelle", mais quand il s'agit de s'en prendre à un mastodonte, là c'est différent...: lâcheté ???

SINON, comme (pratiquement) toujours, ceux qui vendent des gravés parlent de "CD":
terme qui laisse plâner une ambiguité; pour éviter les problèmes et les mauvaises surprises à l'acheteur, quand on vend du gravé, il faut clairement annoncer CD-R ou DVD-R...là dans cette annonce, c'est seulement en bas de l'annonce avec:
"GRAVURE EN 10X SUR CD VERBATIM VINYL" que l'acheteur se met à comprendre que ce n'est pas un silver pressed; mais quand l'acheteur est l'acheteur moyen de priceminister (par exemple) qui fait 15 fautes d'orthographe par ligne et qu'il ne sait pas faire la différence entre un fichier(file) & un dossier(folder) (ou que lorsqu'on lui demande quel est son système d'exploitation: il croit qu'on lui parle en chinois), ça m'étonnerait que cet acheteur "moyen" comprenne qu'il sagit d'un CD-R & NON d'un FACTORY SILVER PRESSED

En tout cas mes deals mondiaux m'ont appris que les Américains détestent le mensonge & ils ont raison & effectivement il vaut mieux tout préciser au départ pour qu'on ne puisse rien reprocher au vendeur & qu'il ait la paix ensuite plutôt que faire croire que tout va bien se passer... alors que le diable est dans les détails (proverbe allemand)

mais pour un expert: sans voir l'annonce, il est évident qu'on n'a pas le temps de presser un CD & le faire industriellement (comme godfather par ex) si peu de temps après que le concert ait eu lieu & forcément c'est du gravé...

I assume this is a retort of some sort?

in a nushell
i just tell that what does this guy with his CD-R's (just he'd better tell clearly they are CD-R's) is peanuts compared with very/big companies...selling at high prices non/bad functionning stuff/services
& people do not dare/know to attack big companies as they do with a poor individual
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Vilain Français...

oui, mais
Que penser d'entreprises de centaines de milliers de personnes qui proposent des logiciels de m comme la suite works avec laquelle j'en chie tant;
on ne peut pas garder une fenêtre de recherche (avec une dialog box dans le langage des Microsoft Foundation Classes) ouverte & éditer/modif la chaîne de caractères sur laquelle on a fait la recherche et si on fait ça 100 fois par jour je vous dis pas le temps perdu
& que dire de mon application AOL (mais comme j'ai 4000 adr mail ds mes mail-lists je n'ose pas changer d'adr mail de peur que des fan ne puissent plus me contacter)
qui m'oblige à fermer un fichier avant de pouvoir l'envoyer en pièce jointe: je ne vois pas pourquoi ce serait incompatible: c'est celui qui édite le fichier qui sait quelle occurence (oui on appelle ça une occurence) de son fichier il veut envoyer...(s'il est entrain de modifier un fichier; à lui d'enregistrer les modif s'il veut que sa pièce jointe soit à jour mais ce n'est pas à AOL de décider de ça)
& quand vous envoyez 70 mails par jour avec des fichiers joints, c'est de la folie
voilà comment je deviens dingue & comment je suis retardé dans mes affaires
il y a des "techniciens de haut vol" qui comprennent ce que je veux dire là ?
ou je parle chinois?

on accuse toujours facilement la personne "individuelle", mais quand il s'agit de s'en prendre à un mastodonte, là c'est différent...: lâcheté ???

SINON, comme (pratiquement) toujours, ceux qui vendent des gravés parlent de "CD":
terme qui laisse plâner une ambiguité; pour éviter les problèmes et les mauvaises surprises à l'acheteur, quand on vend du gravé, il faut clairement annoncer CD-R ou DVD-R...là dans cette annonce, c'est seulement en bas de l'annonce avec:
"GRAVURE EN 10X SUR CD VERBATIM VINYL" que l'acheteur se met à comprendre que ce n'est pas un silver pressed; mais quand l'acheteur est l'acheteur moyen de priceminister (par exemple) qui fait 15 fautes d'orthographe par ligne et qu'il ne sait pas faire la différence entre un fichier(file) & un dossier(folder) (ou que lorsqu'on lui demande quel est son système d'exploitation: il croit qu'on lui parle en chinois), ça m'étonnerait que cet acheteur "moyen" comprenne qu'il sagit d'un CD-R & NON d'un FACTORY SILVER PRESSED

En tout cas mes deals mondiaux m'ont appris que les Américains détestent le mensonge & ils ont raison & effectivement il vaut mieux tout préciser au départ pour qu'on ne puisse rien reprocher au vendeur & qu'il ait la paix ensuite plutôt que faire croire que tout va bien se passer... alors que le diable est dans les détails (proverbe allemand)

mais pour un expert: sans voir l'annonce, il est évident qu'on n'a pas le temps de presser un CD & le faire industriellement (comme godfather par ex) si peu de temps après que le concert ait eu lieu & forcément c'est du gravé...

I assume this is a retort of some sort?

Giles, I understand what you are saying. In the business world, this is what happens. Someone produces a product...then a second party comes and sells it to a third party aka the consumer.

This is totally what happens.

As well, this is what universities and colleges do also. They get access to text books then they sell them to students exclusively. If I were able to purchase those text books, I could just read those books and have the same knowledge.

But in this case, audience recordings are shared for people freely. To violate that trust and profit off other people's work, is extremely selfish and inconsiderate. It leaves a bad feeling for everyone. Why should one person profit off of everyone else's work? It's almost the same as being a scalper. Scalpers are low lives if you ask me. Sort of like vultures picking meat off the bone. It's scuzzy.

well imho, i just think this guy (as usually do NOT CD-R's/DVD-R's sellers on the net) does NOT clearly mention what he is selling is NOT FACTORY SILVER PRESSED stuff
coz some people could surely be "attracted" by the low price
but nobody sells new shows (on SILVER PRESSED discs) at 10 euro...+ especially shows which need 2 discs => a SILVER PRESSED 2CD...

gt's

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Giles, I understand what you are saying. In the business world, this is what happens. Someone produces a product...then a second party comes and sells it to a third party aka the consumer.

This is totally what happens.

As well, this is what universities and colleges do also. They get access to text books then they sell them to students exclusively. If I were able to purchase those text books, I could just read those books and have the same knowledge.

But in this case, audience recordings are shared for people freely. To violate that trust and profit off other people's work, is extremely selfish and inconsiderate. It leaves a bad feeling for everyone. Why should one person profit off of everyone else's work? It's almost the same as being a scalper. Scalpers are low lives if you ask me. Sort of like vultures picking meat off the bone. It's scuzzy.

Just pass it on to EBay, they will pull the listings.

There are also sellers on ebay from Argentina and the Dutch Antilles (I have no idea how it is called exactly in English) who are selling the 2012/2013 concerts on cd, dvd, or blu ray,
but if you, like me, send a mail to such a seller and ask if it is factory made then (if you get a reaction at all) got a blabla story, but at the end of their mail they admit it are just cd-r's, dvd-r's and blu ray-r's.

And probably they are just made from the same downloads we alle here get for free!

So DON'T BUT THAT STUFF!

Otherwise you're a thieve from your own money!

sorry guys but this ethical behavior is kinda upsetting. I couldn't care less if my neighbor buys CDrs from Argentina or Silvers from Germany or - just in case - he gives a sh*t about the Stones...
I'm with gilles here - it's easy to punch a poor individual. So go on with your self-righteousness, write mails to Ebay and have a nice Sunday

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sorry guys but this ethical behavior is kinda upsetting. I couldn't care less if my neighbor buys CDrs from Argentina or Silvers from Germany or - just in case - he gives a sh*t about the Stones...
I'm with gilles here - it's easy to punch a poor individual. So go on with your self-righteousness, write mails to Ebay and have a nice Sunday

I do agree to Silkcut here. The important thing is to listen to the music

It's not an "ethical" thing to put ebay sellers down. However, it's natural of the original sharers to feel somewhat insulted of people earning money on THEIR own recording (or artwork) - it feels silly to have been sharing something for free, and see it being sold online by somebody else. But.....apart from that "insult" to the original recorder; it's not an ethical crime, selling these things or buying it, at all. There are more serious things in life than taking a stand against "bootlegers"

I don't mind bootlegs at all, as long as they feature something new..... :-)

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The important thing is to listen to the music

I don't mind bootlegs at all, as long as they feature something new..... :-)

When you listen to music, Erik, I' m pretty sure you would like to have the best possible quality. But this guy sells, for whatever reason, the recordings in mp3/320 Kbs. Okay, not every person has the possibility to download stuff or knows about the existence of such a board like this or the torrent sites (HC, Dime aso).
But he did get for free to the artwork and stuff here or whereever.
It doesn' t make any sense to download the stuff in lossless form, convert it to mp3 and then burn it back onto CDrs.
This is by far the biggest crap I have ever seen and I can' t understand why music lovers like you don' t get onto the barricades.
Edit: Okay, WLR has done the same in the past
And the only thing that is new here with these bootlegs that they feature lossy stuff.



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The important thing is to listen to the music

I don't mind bootlegs at all, as long as they feature something new..... :-)

When you listen to music, Erik, I' m pretty sure you would like to have the best possible quality. But this guy sells, for whatever reason, the recordings in mp3/320 Kbs. Okay, not every person has the possibility to download stuff or knows about the existence of such a board like this or the torrent sites (HC, Dime aso).
But he did get for free to the artwork and stuff here or whereever.
It doesn' t make any sense to download the stuff in lossless form, convert it to mp3 and then burn it back onto CDrs.
This is by far the biggest crap I have ever seen and I can' t understand why music lovers like you don' t get onto the barricades.
Edit: Okay, WLR has done the same in the past
And the only thing that is new here with these bootlegs that they feature lossy stuff.

I'd forgotten about the quality being reduced from lossless to MP3, Jörg, in fact, I didn't notice at all, as I never checked out these ebay-sellers
I use ebay for one thing: vinyl records



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... But most of the time they don't say in their ads it are cd-r's, dvd-r's etc. They just called it cd's, dvd's.. That is not realy honest is it?

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... But most of the time they don't say in their ads it are cd-r's, dvd-r's etc. They just called it cd's, dvd's.. That is not realy honest is it?

No, that's a scam; right you are

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sorry guys but this ethical behavior is kinda upsetting.

What have we got left as a society if you remove the "ethical" bit? The dog-eat-dog world we've been bathing in for 2 decades?
And I strongly object to see someone's else work being cashed in by... another guy who smelt the smell of money.

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sorry guys but this ethical behavior is kinda upsetting. I couldn't care less if my neighbor buys CDrs from Argentina or Silvers from Germany or - just in case - he gives a sh*t about the Stones...
I'm with gilles here - it's easy to punch a poor individual. So go on with your self-righteousness, write mails to Ebay and have a nice Sunday

This is why a lot of tapers do not share their recordings. The good quality Vegas recording is is one example and the taper is also doing all three Chicago shows. I know a second taper who is going to one or two Chicago shows who has not shared anything publicly in years due to this. So, in the end, who loses? Not the taper, but all those who don't get to hear it.

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sorry guys but this ethical behavior is kinda upsetting. I couldn't care less if my neighbor buys CDrs from Argentina or Silvers from Germany or - just in case - he gives a sh*t about the Stones...
I'm with gilles here - it's easy to punch a poor individual. So go on with your self-righteousness, write mails to Ebay and have a nice Sunday

This is why a lot of tapers do not share their recordings. The good quality Vegas recording is is one example and the taper is also doing all three Chicago shows. I know a second taper who is going to one or two Chicago shows who has not shared anything publicly in years due to this. So, in the end, who loses? Not the taper, but all those who don't get to hear it.

Well, well, if that's the answer it's a very bad one indeed.

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sorry guys but this ethical behavior is kinda upsetting. I couldn't care less if my neighbor buys CDrs from Argentina or Silvers from Germany or - just in case - he gives a sh*t about the Stones...
I'm with gilles here - it's easy to punch a poor individual. So go on with your self-righteousness, write mails to Ebay and have a nice Sunday

This is why a lot of tapers do not share their recordings. The good quality Vegas recording is is one example and the taper is also doing all three Chicago shows. I know a second taper who is going to one or two Chicago shows who has not shared anything publicly in years due to this. So, in the end, who loses? Not the taper, but all those who don't get to hear it.

Well, well, if that's the answer it's a very bad one indeed.

Personally I haven't gotten there yet, but I know of more and more who have. What I find so funny is those that come out as seeing nothing wrong with it have never done anththing but download or buy this stuff. There are never any tapers who view it with anything but disgust.

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sorry guys but this ethical behavior is kinda upsetting. I couldn't care less if my neighbor buys CDrs from Argentina or Silvers from Germany or - just in case - he gives a sh*t about the Stones...
I'm with gilles here - it's easy to punch a poor individual. So go on with your self-righteousness, write mails to Ebay and have a nice Sunday

This is why a lot of tapers do not share their recordings. The good quality Vegas recording is is one example and the taper is also doing all three Chicago shows. I know a second taper who is going to one or two Chicago shows who has not shared anything publicly in years due to this. So, in the end, who loses? Not the taper, but all those who don't get to hear it.

Well, well, if that's the answer it's a very bad one indeed.

Personally I haven't gotten there yet, but I know of more and more who have. What I find so funny is those that come out as seeing nothing wrong with it have never done anththing but download or buy this stuff. There are never any tapers who view it with anything but disgust.

Of course it's utterly crap to do that kind of thing and profit from generous tapers and uploaders. We all think the same about that here. I'm not a taper (I respect those guys enormously), but I have my modest part in sharing, just according to my limited capacity.

If it weren't for the loads of personal friends who I see at these shows I wouldn't have any reason to put these shows up.