The 7" singles released in 1971 for "Brown Sugar/Bitch/Let It Rock" and "Wild Horses/Sway" were released in stereo (except of course for the B-Side "Sway"). Were they also released in MONO as a single? If so, how do you tell the difference by looking at the labels? I do not see "MONO" or "STEREO" printed on them. I am guessing the 7" mono versions were all promos, but please post if you know for sure.

Thanks in advance!

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blakeeik
The 7" singles released in 1971 for "Brown Sugar/Bitch/Let It Rock" and "Wild Horses/Sway" were released in stereo (except of course for the B-Side "Sway"). Were they also released in MONO as a single? If so, how do you tell the difference by looking at the labels? I do not see "MONO" or "STEREO" printed on them. I am guessing the 7" mono versions were all promos, but please post if you know for sure.

Thanks in advance!

Are you sure about "Brown Sugar/Bitch/Let It Rock" being in stereo?
Sounds mono to my old ears!

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Rank Stranger
Are you sure about "Brown Sugar/Bitch/Let It Rock" being in stereo?
Sounds mono to my old ears!

Are all UK singles mono then? Or are both available?

I'm almost certain "Brown Sugar/Bitch" was stereo in the US. Perhaps that is the only difference?

Without checking I tend to say that at least until the mid-seventies all Stones singles released in the UK were mono.
Wild Horses/Sway wasn't a British release, US only.

Thanks for the feedback Rank S.
Brown sugar has the distinguished honor of being the first stereo single.

After Brown Sugar, there are only a few MONO SINGLE A/B sides that I am aware of:

Sway (B-side version)
Tumbling Dice

MONO promos after 1971 include:

Wild Horses (long/short)
Happy
Angie
Heartbreaker
It's Only Rock 'n Roll (short version)
Ain't Too Proud to Beg
Time Waits For No One
Fool to Cry (promo edit)
Crazy Mama
Miss You (single version)
Before They Make Me Run (promo version)
Start Me Up
Waiting on a Friend (short version)
Hang Fire
Going to a Go-Go
Time Is On My Side


I'm still wondering if "Brown Sugar/Bitch/Let It Rock" and "Wild Horses" were released in both MONO and STEREO as a single, if anyone can verify...



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2011-12-26 05:24 by blakeeik.

The original UK Brown Sugar/Bitch/Let it Rock was only released in mono - don´t know about the "record day" rerelease, though...

And my original (or very early press) US Wild Horses/Sway is also completely mono (both tracks).
I love that version of Sway!><

thanks rootsman, is there any indication on WH/S that it is mono? what is the matrix #?

BTW, I have the BS/B/LIR RSD single, and it is all in stereo...



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2011-12-07 13:05 by blakeeik.

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blakeeik
thanks rootsman, is there any indication on WH/S that it is mono? what is the matrix #?

BTW, I have the BS/B/LIR RSD single, and it is all in stereo...

Actually, I have two mono copies of Wild Horses/Sway - none has any mention of Mono or Stereo.

1. Matrix on label: RS-21846LY/RS-21845LY. Matrix in vinyl: RS-21846-2/RS-21845-1.
This pressing also has a date on both sides in the vinyl: 5.24.71.
Labael says Dist. by Atc, div. of Atlantic...1841 B´Way, NY

2. Matrix on label: RS-21846SP/RS-21845SP. Matrix in vinyl: RS-21846-10/RS-21845-10.
Label says Dist. by Atlantic...75 Rockefeller Plaza, NY

I think the first one is the original press, as it has the same "Dist. by Atco..." text as the promo long/short Wild Horses 7". (Both which are mono, too - without any mention of it...)

I dug out my bs/b/lir single, and confirmed that bs is in stereo, but the b side is in mono. I may have been wrong about the b side being in stereo. But it is interesting that bs is found in both mono and stereo!

I also may have been mistaken about wh being in stereo, but the version uploaded by jstger6969 (vinyl singles collection 1971-2011) is in stereo. Perhaps it was a reissue?



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2011-12-11 05:18 by blakeeik.

Roots man, by the way, what was the catalog number for your mono brown sugar? My stereo pressing is rs19100. Thanks for checking!

My UK copy of Brown Sugar is mono on both sides and I must admit I'd never heard of a stereo version before.
On the other hand, my copy of the US Wild Horses (this is my actual copy) I'm pretty sure is stereo on the 'a'side and mono on the flip. It's a while since I played it though and I'm not at home at the moment to check.
Tumbling Dice was definitely issued in stereo in the UK as were all subsequent singles.


"As we say in England, it can get a bit trainspottery"

Deltics, how do you tell the difference between the mono and stereo versions? Tumbling dice and following releases are all marked as such.

I guess you have to listen to them!
[www.45cat.com]


"As we say in England, it can get a bit trainspottery"

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Deltics
I guess you have to listen to them!
[www.45cat.com]

Lol! But how do I know which to buy?

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Deltics
I guess you have to listen to them!
[www.45cat.com]

Lol! But how do I know which to buy?

That, I don't know. Unless there are clues etched in the 'dead wax'?


"As we say in England, it can get a bit trainspottery"

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Deltics
My UK copy of Brown Sugar is mono on both sides and I must admit I'd never heard of a stereo version before.
On the other hand, my copy of the US Wild Horses (this is my actual copy) I'm pretty sure is stereo on the 'a'side and mono on the flip. It's a while since I played it though and I'm not at home at the moment to check.
Tumbling Dice was definitely issued in stereo in the UK as were all subsequent singles.

Just checked my UK copy RS19100 (tongue sleeve but bought in the mid 70's)
BS is defintely in stereo but Bitch/LIR are in mono (to my ears anyway, no obvious separation)
Etched into the 'dead wax', on the A-side is "RS 19100 A2", on the B-side is "RS 19100 B1"

Similarly with the US 45 Wild Horses/Sway RS19101
Etched into the A-side is "RS- 21846- 2", on the B-side is "RS - 21845 - 1"

I have a UK single EP I suppose it is the original issue

- full color picture sleeve, matrix : ROLLING STONES RECORDS RS 19100 A1 // ROLLING STONES RECORDS RS 19100 B1

mono on both sides. Brown sugar IS the mono mix, almost no effect on guitar during intro, while the stereo mix have a huge delay effect.

Nice site, Deltics!


So the UK 3-track Brown Sugar does exist with BS in stereo after all - it´s never too late to learn...

It now seems to be like this:

The first UK issue with picture sleeve has all 3 tracks in mono. Matrix RS 19100 A1 / B1.
The second UK issue in tounge sleeve has Brown Sugar in stereo, but Bitch/Let It Rock in mono. Matrix RS 19100 A2 / B1.
The difference being A1 (mono) or A2 (stereo) for Brown Sugar.

Am I right?

Edit:
Maybe there´s also a RS 19100 B2, with Bitch in stereo...



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2011-12-13 20:53 by rootsman.

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rootsman
The first UK issue with picture sleeve has all 3 tracks in mono. Matrix RS 19100 A1 / B1.
The second UK issue in tounge sleeve has Brown Sugar in stereo, but Bitch/Let It Rock in mono. Matrix RS 19100 A2 / B1.
The difference being A1 (mono) or A2 (stereo) for Brown Sugar.

Am I right?

Edit:
Maybe there´s also a RS 19100 B2, with Bitch in stereo...

I can confirm that my stereo Brown Sugar, mono B-Side is also Matrix RS 19100 A2 / B1. Here is a scan.



Good question about a "B2" with a bitch in stereo! Anyone?

Zagalo, is your Wild Horses "A2" in stereo as well? (I assume it is when you say "similarly...")



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2011-12-14 02:53 by blakeeik.

Blakeeik:

My original mono Brown Sugar UK 3-track has the same design as your scanned stereo version,
except that it´s missing:

A PROMOTONE
N.V. RECORD

So this is a way to tell the difference!

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rootsman
Blakeeik:

My original mono Brown Sugar UK 3-track has the same design as your scanned stereo version,
except that it´s missing:

A PROMOTONE
N.V. RECORD

So this is a way to tell the difference!

.....or not, as the case may be. There were quite a few label variations:
[www.45cat.com]


"As we say in England, it can get a bit trainspottery"

You can get the mono bs,bitch, let it rock on the Midnight Beat "Acetates" boot.
"Tumbling Dice" and "All Down The Line" had MONO releases in the states. Was there stereo too?? The 45 Mono Tumbling Dice is smokin', I've never heard a stereo version that comes close to it...

blakeeik,
Apologies for the delayed reply - been away for a couple of days...

Yes, Wild Horses is in stereo but the separation is not marked and took a few listens (with my aging ears) to be sure...Sway is definitely in mono though...

Cheers

Thanks Zagalo!

All check this out!

The mono version ends differently than the stereo version. Here are both endings amplified: Alright (mono) vs Yeah! (stereo) [dl.dropbox.com]