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First of all, if your thesis is true, I don't really see the problem with Mick relying
on his past. If I listen to the Alfie soundtrack, I think it is a perfect example of
Mick embrasing more traditional styles of music (soul, blues, rhythm & blues) and the
result is very catchy. The same goes for the Wandering Spirit album that I als find very
enjoyable. I absolutely prefer Mick to stick to his history. That might say more about me
than about Mick by the way. My musical taste might be rather conservative.
Second, I don't think Mick is trying to give the impression that he's able to compete
with his younger self, nor trying to follow charts all the time. I think your remark
that with Goddess in the doorway he just played what he liked at the time is more
accurate. I find it hard to believe someone at the age of Micks, with all his achievements
is still doing what he does only to give some kind of impression. I think albums like
Goddess in the doorway give him a chance to play songs he could not play with the Stones.
To me that is the only acceptable reason for him to bring out solo albums. I don't see
Keith and Charlie play along on a stupid song like Dancing in the starlight. If Mick
fancies doing such a song, I won't stop him. As long as he's not expecting me to buy
it, we're both happy.
No, recent news, this is another studio session, take a look at Rocks Off message board :
[rocksoff.org]
"The two were spotted leaving a Los Angeles studio days after Stewart played a gig, backed by a 30-piece orchestra, at the Sunset Strip hotspot The Roxy on September 24."
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2008-10-09 14:58 by arizojp.
I'd imagine the likely reason for his credits on ABB was because a few of the songs on that album were leftovers from the 'Alfie' project.
Are you serious? Mick's one of the most creative men out there. I think Mick has a lot more energy than Keith and likes to keep busy when the Stones are on "break". Good for Mick. I'm looking forward to hearing about what he and Stewart are working on.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2008-10-09 16:53 by TrulyMicks.
I thought Mick ONLY worked with "yes-men" (well, other than Keith and Charlie perhaps).
The TV documentary -Only Mick - was it called?- seemed to suggest this.
Isn't that the problem with people like Mick and Macca, I mean why criticise when you are on board the gravy train (see the thread about what the Stones backing musicians earn).
Thank you for your response! I think we don't disagree very much at all in opinionwise. I also like very much WANDERING SPIRIT (not "SOUL"
like I first said), and there are some things I like in ALFIE soundtrack. My criticism was directed towards the idea that Jagger tries to so much stay trendy - contra Keith. Mick himself wats quite often portrait himself of not relying on the past, denying the nostalgy element of recent Stones, etc. I think what he has done in musicwise in the last two decades is in very strong opposition to this image or idea. I don't see there nothing problem - to rely on one's great past - but obviously Jagger does! (I guess he wouldn't like very much doing anything very 'old', like blues or country&western, or something like that). His words and actions do not sometimes go hand in hand.
What I meant with my idea that Jagger never survived the 80's - that's the idea I got from his involvement with Dave Stewart, the walking relic of the 80's - seemingly Jagger's most important musical partner with Keith. Stewart was the guy behind the Jagger of PRIMITIVE COOL. I still remember how proud Mick was of his singing performances, especially of "Say You Will", which Stewart pushed him to do better and better. The most of the Jagger singing cliches an song frames we do nowadays so well do derive from that time schedule, and I see Stewart a big influence there. When I first listened to GODDESS IN THE DOORWAY I thought, bloody hell, this is PRIMITIVE COOL NO. 2! I take GODDESS to be a sort of album Jagger does when he makes an album he follows his own taste and muse, and not really caring if people love it or not, and what I hear there is a horrible 80's pastishe. I mean, that's REAL Jagger music, the kind of stuff he loves and likes to do. Seemingly - and fortunately - most of us do not share his taste of music, and are not so thrilled.
I am happy that Jagger is not desperately trying to follow the trends anymore - too hear hm singing hip hop, etc. - but I would be happier if he might have stopped his musical journey somewhere else than in the bloody 80's!
- Doxa
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Yes, I am serious, and I agree that Jagger has more energy than Keith or anyone else, but somehow that energy is not so much actualized anymore in musical creativity (not in quantity, but in quality). But he really is a workaholic, and busiest guys in the business, no doubt it.
When I think of people from Jagger's generation, of his contemporaries, the only guy I think who has not lost his musical creativity, to urge to express something novel or reinvent his act, I can only think of Bob Dylan. He is still on his musical journey, leading we don't know where. Lazy Keith is in some respects more like Dylan, in fact. If the muse is not there, he gives a shit...
- Doxa
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2008-10-09 18:53 by Doxa.
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Mick Jagger working with Eurythmics' Dave Stewart
Posted by:
jayb70
()
Date: October 8, 2008 20:04
just seen this on the NME web site.
The Rolling Stones' Mick Jagger and Eurythmics' Dave Stewart are working on a new musical project together, according to US reports.
According to Hollywoodinsider.ew.com a spokesperson for Stewart confirmed that the pair were working together, but the details of the project have not been revealed.
The website reports that Jagger and Stewart were seen leaving a studio together in Los Angeles recently, where they may have been working on material.
The Rolling Stones' Mick Jagger and Eurythmics' Dave Stewart are working on a new musical project together, according to US reports.
According to Hollywoodinsider.ew.com a spokesperson for Stewart confirmed that the pair were working together, but the details of the project have not been revealed.
The website reports that Jagger and Stewart were seen leaving a studio together in Los Angeles recently, where they may have been working on material.
Re: Mick Jagger working with Eurythmics' Dave Stewart
Posted by:
Meise
()
Date: October 8, 2008 21:38
It seems that's a good team. Probably Dave Stewart is kind of Keith substitute. I really like the "Alfie" soundtrack.
Re: Mick Jagger working with Eurythmics' Dave Stewart
Posted by:
skipstone
()
Date: October 8, 2008 21:39
Let's just hope it's not more Let's Work or anything of that nature.
When is Mick going to find someone else to work with or, gee, get back to work with Keith?
When is Mick going to find someone else to work with or, gee, get back to work with Keith?
Re: Mick Jagger working with Eurythmics' Dave Stewart
Posted by:
Whale
()
Date: October 8, 2008 22:10
Link to the NME website?
This rumour was around a little while earlier, so now the rumour is back?
This rumour was around a little while earlier, so now the rumour is back?
Re: Mick Jagger working with Eurythmics' Dave Stewart
Posted by:
Pecman
()
Date: October 8, 2008 22:14
That's funny...there has been Mick Jagger sitings in New York all week.
PECMAN
PECMAN
Re: Mick Jagger working with Eurythmics' Dave Stewart
Posted by:
drewmaster
()
Date: October 8, 2008 22:23
(See next post)
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Re: Mick Jagger working with Eurythmics' Dave Stewart
Posted by:
drewmaster
()
Date: October 8, 2008 22:24
Oh gawwwwwwwwwd, I hope it's not true. Mick seems inacapable of ditching the two people responsible for his most trite, banal, 80's-sounding solo material ... Dave Stewart and Matt Clifford. Hey Mick, these guys aren't doing you any favors ... have some self-respect and give Keith a call, or at least Rick Rubin!!!
Here's the link ...
[www.nme.com]
Drew
Here's the link ...
[www.nme.com]
Drew
Re: Mick Jagger working with Eurythmics' Dave Stewart
Posted by:
Lorenz
()
Date: October 8, 2008 22:36
The news was up a while ago, it was on Dave Stewart's website/blog, but the info was taken down again.
Re: Mick Jagger working with Eurythmics' Dave Stewart
Posted by:
Rocky Dijon
()
Date: October 8, 2008 22:59
For all we know these could be the demos for the next Stones album. Mick is said to have written twenty new songs since the tour finished. Dave is name-checked in the credits for A BIGGER BANG and was around for some of the early sessions for GODDESS IN THE DOORWAY (BEING MICK shows a rehearsal of "Old Habits Die Hard" several years before it was released). Perhaps Dave Stewart will produce the next Stones album. Perhaps he'll play guitar on the album and tour with the Stones. How's that for unfounded rumours? Both are actually plausible.
Re: Mick Jagger working with Eurythmics' Dave Stewart
Posted by:
Lorenz
()
Date: October 8, 2008 23:09
Him touring with the Stones is not at all plausible though.
Re: Mick Jagger working with Eurythmics' Dave Stewart
Posted by:
Justin
()
Date: October 8, 2008 23:11
Quote
Rocky Dijon
Mick is said to have written twenty new songs since the tour finished.quote]
I hope that's true.
Still though:
Mick: 20
Keith: ??
Re: Mick Jagger working with Eurythmics' Dave Stewart
Posted by:
Rocky Dijon
()
Date: October 8, 2008 23:31
Oh, I wouldn't want to see it happen, but I'm not sure why it would be implausible. If Ronnie wasn't involved, I would suspect Blondie or Waddy would get the nod. I'd probably prefer Jimmy Rip to all of the them.
Re: Mick Jagger working with Eurythmics' Dave Stewart
Posted by:
rooster
()
Date: October 8, 2008 23:34
Just wish he would try the Red devils again (the singer is dead ..bless him)...are they still out there?
Re: Mick Jagger working with Eurythmics' Dave Stewart
Posted by:
skipstone
()
Date: October 9, 2008 01:01
How bout The Rolling Stones?
Re: Mick Jagger working with Eurythmics' Dave Stewart
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
()
Date: October 9, 2008 10:10
Old news. This happened months ago.
Re: Mick Jagger working with Eurythmics' Dave Stewart
Posted by:
Doxa
()
Date: October 9, 2008 11:44
Some reflections of this Dave Stewart connection:
I have somehow the impression that Mick Jagger's creative progress ended in somewhere during the 80's, and he never survived that decade. I mean his heart and soul, and ability to react into new stimulies somehow died out. He made the Stones a safe oldies act, which present the same show every night, and seemingly does not change a bit of their old musical vocabulary. As far as his solo output go, WANDERING SOUL was a total retro album, and GODDESS - the album which seemingly express the musical taste of the man himself - is the most 80's sounding effort since the famous decade.
I think it is a myth that Jagger always follows the charts and trends and tries to include the influences on his own vocabulary. He actually DID that succesfully for some 25 years (a remarkable achievemnent that can be matched only perhaps by Madonna), but since the late 80's I can see only an old entertainer who tries to keep his act together, and somehow tries to give an impression that he can still, from year to year, compete with his younger self. But basically, and mostly musically, he relies totally of his past, and how people project him.
I mean, just ask from yourself: what was the last new musical style or trend The Stones or Mick really could make something great and original out of it... Reggae? 70's disco? Punk?
- Doxa
I have somehow the impression that Mick Jagger's creative progress ended in somewhere during the 80's, and he never survived that decade. I mean his heart and soul, and ability to react into new stimulies somehow died out. He made the Stones a safe oldies act, which present the same show every night, and seemingly does not change a bit of their old musical vocabulary. As far as his solo output go, WANDERING SOUL was a total retro album, and GODDESS - the album which seemingly express the musical taste of the man himself - is the most 80's sounding effort since the famous decade.
I think it is a myth that Jagger always follows the charts and trends and tries to include the influences on his own vocabulary. He actually DID that succesfully for some 25 years (a remarkable achievemnent that can be matched only perhaps by Madonna), but since the late 80's I can see only an old entertainer who tries to keep his act together, and somehow tries to give an impression that he can still, from year to year, compete with his younger self. But basically, and mostly musically, he relies totally of his past, and how people project him.
I mean, just ask from yourself: what was the last new musical style or trend The Stones or Mick really could make something great and original out of it... Reggae? 70's disco? Punk?
- Doxa
Re: Mick Jagger working with Eurythmics' Dave Stewart
Posted by:
1962
()
Date: October 9, 2008 12:13
Any really great musical style since the reggae-disco-punk years???
Re: Mick Jagger working with Eurythmics' Dave Stewart
Posted by:
1962
()
Date: October 9, 2008 12:15
I don't need a hip-hop or a rap influenced Stones CD or even a song!
Re: Mick Jagger working with Eurythmics' Dave Stewart
Posted by:
marcovandereijk
()
Date: October 9, 2008 13:09
Quote
Doxa
but since the late 80's I can see only an old entertainer who tries to keep his act together, and somehow tries to give an impression that he can still, from year to year, compete with his younger self. But basically, and mostly musically, he relies totally of his past, and how people project him.
First of all, if your thesis is true, I don't really see the problem with Mick relying
on his past. If I listen to the Alfie soundtrack, I think it is a perfect example of
Mick embrasing more traditional styles of music (soul, blues, rhythm & blues) and the
result is very catchy. The same goes for the Wandering Spirit album that I als find very
enjoyable. I absolutely prefer Mick to stick to his history. That might say more about me
than about Mick by the way. My musical taste might be rather conservative.
Second, I don't think Mick is trying to give the impression that he's able to compete
with his younger self, nor trying to follow charts all the time. I think your remark
that with Goddess in the doorway he just played what he liked at the time is more
accurate. I find it hard to believe someone at the age of Micks, with all his achievements
is still doing what he does only to give some kind of impression. I think albums like
Goddess in the doorway give him a chance to play songs he could not play with the Stones.
To me that is the only acceptable reason for him to bring out solo albums. I don't see
Keith and Charlie play along on a stupid song like Dancing in the starlight. If Mick
fancies doing such a song, I won't stop him. As long as he's not expecting me to buy
it, we're both happy.
Re: Mick Jagger working with Eurythmics' Dave Stewart
Posted by:
Left shoe shuffle
()
Date: October 9, 2008 13:21
Yes GRUNGEQuote
1962
Any really great musical style since the reggae-disco-punk years???
Re: Mick Jagger working with Eurythmics' Dave Stewart
Posted by:
arizojp
()
Date: October 9, 2008 14:54
Quote
DandelionPowderman
Old news. This happened months ago.
No, recent news, this is another studio session, take a look at Rocks Off message board :
[rocksoff.org]
"The two were spotted leaving a Los Angeles studio days after Stewart played a gig, backed by a 30-piece orchestra, at the Sunset Strip hotspot The Roxy on September 24."
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2008-10-09 14:58 by arizojp.
Re: Mick Jagger working with Eurythmics' Dave Stewart
Posted by:
Gazza
()
Date: October 9, 2008 15:12
Quote
Rocky Dijon
For all we know these could be the demos for the next Stones album. Mick is said to have written twenty new songs since the tour finished. Dave is name-checked in the credits for A BIGGER BANG and was around for some of the early sessions for GODDESS IN THE DOORWAY (BEING MICK shows a rehearsal of "Old Habits Die Hard" several years before it was released). Perhaps Dave Stewart will produce the next Stones album. Perhaps he'll play guitar on the album and tour with the Stones. How's that for unfounded rumours? Both are actually plausible.
I'd imagine the likely reason for his credits on ABB was because a few of the songs on that album were leftovers from the 'Alfie' project.
Re: Mick Jagger working with Eurythmics' Dave Stewart
Posted by:
TrulyMicks
()
Date: October 9, 2008 16:25
Quote
Doxa
Some reflections of this Dave Stewart connection:
I have somehow the impression that Mick Jagger's creative progress ended in somewhere during the 80's, and he never survived that decade.
- Doxa
Are you serious? Mick's one of the most creative men out there. I think Mick has a lot more energy than Keith and likes to keep busy when the Stones are on "break". Good for Mick. I'm looking forward to hearing about what he and Stewart are working on.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2008-10-09 16:53 by TrulyMicks.
Re: Mick Jagger working with Eurythmics' Dave Stewart
Posted by:
Silver Dagger
()
Date: October 9, 2008 16:36
Totally with you on that one Doxa. A good critique.
Re: Mick Jagger working with Eurythmics' Dave Stewart
Posted by:
Adrian-L
()
Date: October 9, 2008 17:01
Dave Stewart- another snivelling, arse-licking 'yes-man',
stuck in an 80's timewarp.
..yuck.
stuck in an 80's timewarp.
..yuck.
Re: Mick Jagger working with Eurythmics' Dave Stewart
Posted by:
jlowe
()
Date: October 9, 2008 17:12
Quote
Adrian-L
Dave Stewart- another snivelling, arse-licking 'yes-man',
stuck in an 80's timewarp.
..yuck.
I thought Mick ONLY worked with "yes-men" (well, other than Keith and Charlie perhaps).
The TV documentary -Only Mick - was it called?- seemed to suggest this.
Isn't that the problem with people like Mick and Macca, I mean why criticise when you are on board the gravy train (see the thread about what the Stones backing musicians earn).
Re: Mick Jagger working with Eurythmics' Dave Stewart
Posted by:
skipstone
()
Date: October 9, 2008 17:32
My slant on Mick's creativity strictly relies on The Rolling Stones output during recording sessions. The late 1960s through Sticky Fingers was immense. 1973 was a pretty busy year. The Black And Blue sessions had a lot going on and from what I've read over the years Some Girls and Emotional Rescue both had tons of songs written and recorded but not all finished. Then there was a bit of a gap - Dirty Work was the next big bunch of recordings. Voodoo had a good bunch, I don't know about Bridges, what became the new Licks tracks was 20 some songs and the Bang sessions had a good amount done that were mostly released.
Great songs, good songs, lame songs, horrible songs in all of that for everything. Some had hits, others didn't. I don't think that's a reflection on the songwriting exactly. Or the creativity.
However, the most interesting outtakes I've ever heard are from the Some Girls sessions - mainly because those are most of what I've heard. I've got some Dirty Work outtakes and the Voodoo boots. They're all interesting. It's just that the SG tunes are the most interesting.
Great songs, good songs, lame songs, horrible songs in all of that for everything. Some had hits, others didn't. I don't think that's a reflection on the songwriting exactly. Or the creativity.
However, the most interesting outtakes I've ever heard are from the Some Girls sessions - mainly because those are most of what I've heard. I've got some Dirty Work outtakes and the Voodoo boots. They're all interesting. It's just that the SG tunes are the most interesting.
Re: Mick Jagger working with Eurythmics' Dave Stewart
Posted by:
Doxa
()
Date: October 9, 2008 18:11
Quote
marcovandereijkQuote
Doxa
but since the late 80's I can see only an old entertainer who tries to keep his act together, and somehow tries to give an impression that he can still, from year to year, compete with his younger self. But basically, and mostly musically, he relies totally of his past, and how people project him.
First of all, if your thesis is true, I don't really see the problem with Mick relying
on his past. If I listen to the Alfie soundtrack, I think it is a perfect example of
Mick embrasing more traditional styles of music (soul, blues, rhythm & blues) and the
result is very catchy. The same goes for the Wandering Spirit album that I als find very
enjoyable. I absolutely prefer Mick to stick to his history. That might say more about me
than about Mick by the way. My musical taste might be rather conservative.
Second, I don't think Mick is trying to give the impression that he's able to compete
with his younger self, nor trying to follow charts all the time. I think your remark
that with Goddess in the doorway he just played what he liked at the time is more
accurate. I find it hard to believe someone at the age of Micks, with all his achievements
is still doing what he does only to give some kind of impression. I think albums like
Goddess in the doorway give him a chance to play songs he could not play with the Stones.
To me that is the only acceptable reason for him to bring out solo albums. I don't see
Keith and Charlie play along on a stupid song like Dancing in the starlight. If Mick
fancies doing such a song, I won't stop him. As long as he's not expecting me to buy
it, we're both happy.
Thank you for your response! I think we don't disagree very much at all in opinionwise. I also like very much WANDERING SPIRIT (not "SOUL"
like I first said), and there are some things I like in ALFIE soundtrack. My criticism was directed towards the idea that Jagger tries to so much stay trendy - contra Keith. Mick himself wats quite often portrait himself of not relying on the past, denying the nostalgy element of recent Stones, etc. I think what he has done in musicwise in the last two decades is in very strong opposition to this image or idea. I don't see there nothing problem - to rely on one's great past - but obviously Jagger does! (I guess he wouldn't like very much doing anything very 'old', like blues or country&western, or something like that). His words and actions do not sometimes go hand in hand.What I meant with my idea that Jagger never survived the 80's - that's the idea I got from his involvement with Dave Stewart, the walking relic of the 80's - seemingly Jagger's most important musical partner with Keith. Stewart was the guy behind the Jagger of PRIMITIVE COOL. I still remember how proud Mick was of his singing performances, especially of "Say You Will", which Stewart pushed him to do better and better. The most of the Jagger singing cliches an song frames we do nowadays so well do derive from that time schedule, and I see Stewart a big influence there. When I first listened to GODDESS IN THE DOORWAY I thought, bloody hell, this is PRIMITIVE COOL NO. 2! I take GODDESS to be a sort of album Jagger does when he makes an album he follows his own taste and muse, and not really caring if people love it or not, and what I hear there is a horrible 80's pastishe. I mean, that's REAL Jagger music, the kind of stuff he loves and likes to do. Seemingly - and fortunately - most of us do not share his taste of music, and are not so thrilled.
I am happy that Jagger is not desperately trying to follow the trends anymore - too hear hm singing hip hop, etc. - but I would be happier if he might have stopped his musical journey somewhere else than in the bloody 80's!
- Doxa
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2008-10-09 18:31 by Doxa.
Re: Mick Jagger working with Eurythmics' Dave Stewart
Posted by:
Doxa
()
Date: October 9, 2008 18:48
Quote
TrulyMicksQuote
Doxa
Some reflections of this Dave Stewart connection:
I have somehow the impression that Mick Jagger's creative progress ended in somewhere during the 80's, and he never survived that decade.
- Doxa
Are you serious? Mick's one of the most creative men out there. I think Mick has a lot more energy than Keith and likes to keep busy when the Stones are on "break". Good for Mick. I'm looking forward to hearing about what he and Stewart are working on.
Yes, I am serious, and I agree that Jagger has more energy than Keith or anyone else, but somehow that energy is not so much actualized anymore in musical creativity (not in quantity, but in quality). But he really is a workaholic, and busiest guys in the business, no doubt it.
When I think of people from Jagger's generation, of his contemporaries, the only guy I think who has not lost his musical creativity, to urge to express something novel or reinvent his act, I can only think of Bob Dylan. He is still on his musical journey, leading we don't know where. Lazy Keith is in some respects more like Dylan, in fact. If the muse is not there, he gives a shit...
- Doxa
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2008-10-09 18:53 by Doxa.
Re: Mick Jagger working with Eurythmics' Dave Stewart
Posted by:
jlowe
()
Date: October 9, 2008 18:55
I would say that Paul Simon is still pretty creative, in some ways his music (if not the lyrics) is far more adventorous than Dylan.
Also, is Mick really "one of the busiest guys in the busines" - not compared to Macca, Rod Stewart,Dylan (of course)-even Eric Clapton.
He gets "seen" of course a lot; that's differnt to working.
Socialising I would say.
Also, is Mick really "one of the busiest guys in the busines" - not compared to Macca, Rod Stewart,Dylan (of course)-even Eric Clapton.
He gets "seen" of course a lot; that's differnt to working.
Socialising I would say.
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