... that may be, but the release of LIB was delayed, wasn't it?
the band rejected the first test pressing or whatever to call it
because the record company had compressed the life out of it -
something like that. it was meant to come out before the tour ended.

.



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with sssoul
... that may be, but the release of LIB was delayed, wasn't it?
the band rejected the first test pressing or whatever to call it
because the record company had compressed the life out of it -
something like that. it was meant to come out before the tour ended.

It was indeed delayed due to a mistake in the mastering process. The initial plan was that it was released right before the tour.

Mathijs

thanks for confirming that, Mathijs

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stonesrule
Re my tapes, they are in a huge storage vault 350 miles away. Several small audio cassettes from a new Sony product in 1970. They were recorded for fun only from the side of the stage; hardly of a quality worth getting your knickers in a twist.

As I said before, there are bound to be a few Swedes somewhere who will come to light to assure you that ADLT was heard live in 1970.

Still trying to untwist those knickers . . .

All Down the Line - the opening is a pure shot of instant adrenaline!!

Yet another of my all-time favourites gets a mention in the "Track Talk" series:
All Down the Line.
The Rolling Stones at their peak.
It's the best song on Exile.

I have to differ with the overwhelming consensus here. Yes, ADTL is a very fine song, but I don't like how it was produced on Exile. That version is a bit too frantic, in my opinion, and the horns dampen my enthusiasm as well.

I definitely prefer the acoustic version. I LOVE the acoustic version, in fact, (it's so incredibly soulful!!), while I merely "enjoy" the version on Exile.

The new, alternate ADTL just released a few months ago is also superior to the Exile version, IMO. It has more kick, more twang, more funk, more bite.

Just my two cents.

Drew

One of my favourite Stones song.For me it`s symbolising new - riff-era of post 60`s and contemporary Stones.ANd it has this unique atmosphere of rebelion , independency , joy ,vitality , sexuality - 100% Stones.And those horns i think even in beginning of 70`s they are a bit retro in New orlean style - it`s Stones respect for tradition isn`t it?

WOw! Sitting around the pool today basking in the sun with some mates. Finished brunch, sipping champagne and bamb! All Down the Line comes on my play list so clear, so hard, and thrilling. My friends ask, "who is this?", "wow the Stones! This is a great song!" Yeah, thrilling and a pure slice of summer vacation rock.

Give it Mick....

Great great song - A pure shotof adrenaline. The song has not been done well live since 78'. ALways disappointed when I hear live versions from recent tours. SOmething missing.

It's such an amazing song ... I can't fathom how someone can like the boring acoustic version over the great Exile version - it's not even in the same ballpark. That's like taking the fight-scene out of the movie Rocky, and then saying that it improves the movie.

Was lucky enough to hear it in Belgrade 2007... even more luckier were those who heard it '72-'78...

Mick T on slide oh so sweet!!!!

And I am still not convinced the intro is in open G.

Mathijs

Neither am I.

It rings more like the original if you play the intro in standard tuning. Whether played in the first position with the open D string for the lower note, or in the second position with the lower note on the A string.

[The hammer on to the top note of F is more naturally played in the first position.]

The riff doesn't really fall as easily under the fingers in open G and the passive overtones don't ring quite right. Recent Live versions are obviously in open G...but aren't much like the original

On the Exile version it must be open G tuning cause you can clearly hear the lower open G string played in between on the intro,especially the first time,as the open G
string still can be heard whilst Keith goes for the second time.
On the live version above for the intro both are possible, cause I don't hear a lower open G string there.
I think Keith plays in open G though.



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Amsterdamned
On the Exile version it must be open G tuning cause you can clearly hear the lower open G string played in between on the intro,especially the first time,as the open G
string still can be heard whilst Keith goes for the second time.
On the live version above for the intro both are possible, cause I don't hear a lower open G string there.
I think Keith plays in open G though.

I don't think so actually. As I hear it, the A string has not been detuned to G, and the rundown D - C - A in the last bar clearly is played on a standard tuned string. Also, as Spud mentions, the overtones normally heard with open G tuning are missing here. Also, the intor guitar is a different guitar / take than all other (open G) guitars heard in the record.

And of course, Keith changed the intro for every live version ever done, which all have been played in open G.

Mathijs

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Mathijs

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Amsterdamned
On the Exile version it must be open G tuning cause you can clearly hear the lower open G string played in between on the intro,especially the first time,as the open G
string still can be heard whilst Keith goes for the second time.
On the live version above for the intro both are possible, cause I don't hear a lower open G string there.
I think Keith plays in open G though.

I don't think so actually. As I hear it, the A string has not been detuned to G, and the rundown D - C - A in the last bar clearly is played on a standard tuned string. Also, as Spud mentions, the overtones normally heard with open G tuning are missing here. Also, the intor guitar is a different guitar / take than all other (open G) guitars heard in the record.


And of course, Keith changed the intro for every live version ever done, which all have been played in open G.

Mathijs

I cannot imagine how the singel G (bass tone) can go on while Keith already starts the intro for the second time.That's technically impossible in standard tuning since you have to play the intro in pos 5, : There is no finger left that can control the 6th string, 3th fret then? Standard tuning sounds too much "country" imo.
Besides the lower G tone sounds as an open string to me,not under control with a finger.
Playing this in open G is the only explanation on Exile to my ears and comes close when I play it in open G myself. Further I don't know why Keith chose a different intro guitar an uses another for the rest of the Exile track. Might be for another reason? Only Keith can answer these things for sure..

This would be my guess,the last bass note on string 5 keeps going on into the next turn. Open G, ADTL intro Exile :

ho
-23-2------------------------23-- etc
--3-3----3-3---3--------------3--
--0------2-2---2----5--------(0)-
-------0-----0------5------------
-----------------0------0--------

Post yours I suggest.



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Can any other guitar player shine a light on this,by posting the Tabs?

It's a good tune that I think has aged well live

This is how I have always heard it, in open G. But there's something not quite right.

------------------------------
-8-8--8-------------8-8-------
-8h10-9--- 7--7--5--8h10--7--7-7-
-----------7--7--5--------7--7-7-
---------7--7--5----0----7--7----


Also possible (and it would be closer to the horn section on the studio version and what Richards plays live):

-5----5-------------5---5----------
-5h6h-5-------------5h6-5----------
---------- 7--7--5----------7--7-7--
-----------7--7--5----------7--7-7-
---------7--7--5----0------7--7----

There's two things: the G string sounds a bit out of tune which makes the riff more "spitting" than when I play it (the same with the Monkey Man riff btw). Second, I don't hear a D, either on the B string or on the G string. So:

-23-2-
--3-3-
--0---
------
------

and:

-5-5-
-5h6-
-7-7-
-----
-----

Are not correct to my ears.

Mathijs

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Mathijs
This is how I have always heard it, in open G. But there's something not quite right.

------------------------------
-8-8--8-------------8-8-------
-7h10-9--- 7--7--5--8h10--7--7-7-
-----------7--7--5--------7--7-7-
---------7--7--5----0----7--7----


Also possible (and it would be closer to the horn section on the studio version and what Richards plays live):

-5----5-------------5---5----------
-5h6h-5-------------5h6-5----------
---------- 7--7--5----------7--7-7--
-----------7--7--5----------7--7-7-
---------7--7--5----0------7--7----

There's two things: the G string sounds a bit out of tune which makes the riff more "spitting" than when I play it (the same with the Monkey Man riff btw). Second, I don't hear a D, either on the B string or on the G string. So:

-23-2-
--3-3-
--0---
------
------

and:

-5-5-
-5h6-
-7-7-
-----
-----

Are not correct to my ears.

Mathijs

------------------------------
-8-8--8-------------8-8-------
-8h10-9--- 7--7--5--8h10--7--7-7-
-----------7--7--5--------7--7-7-
---------7--7--5----0----7--7----



Your open G version comes close as well (I corrected your first 8 string 3,must be a 7).I tend to hear an open 3th open G string for a moment..so Keith starts on string 1 and 2. Listening to the "timbre" I get the feeling it's position 2.
So you agree the Exile intro must be played in open G?. Standard tuning sounds too childish to me. Btw there is no 5 on the lower G string in the first run but twice the open
lower G-string.(0) A bit tricky to hear.



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This is from my Exile TAB book:

D|------------------------|------------------------|----------5-------------|
B|--5h6--x----5----x------|------------------------|--5h6--x--5----x--------|
G|--7----x----7----x------|---7--7--7--7-----5-----|--7----x--7----x--------|
D|-------x---------x------|---7--7--7--7-----5-----|-------x-------x---7----|
G|--------------------7---|---------------0------0-|-------------------7----|


D|------------------------|---5-----5--------------|------------------------|
B|------------------------|---5h6---5--------------|------------------------|
G|--7-------7----7--------|---7-----7--------------|---7--7--7--7--------0--|
D|--7---7---7----7--------|---------7-----7--------|---7--7--7--7----5---0--|
G|------7--------7--------|---------------7--------|------------7--0-0---0--|

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Koen
This is from my Exile TAB book:

D|------------------------|------------------------|----------5-------------|
B|--5h6--x----5----x------|------------------------|--5h6--x--5----x--------|
G|--7----x----7----x------|---7--7--7--7-----5-----|--7----x--7----x--------|
D|-------x---------x------|---7--7--7--7-----5-----|-------x-------x---7----|
G|--------------------7---|---------------0------0-|-------------------7----|


D|------------------------|---5-----5--------------|------------------------|
B|------------------------|---5h6---5--------------|------------------------|
G|--7-------7----7--------|---7-----7--------------|---7--7--7--7--------0--|
D|--7---7---7----7--------|---------7-----7--------|---7--7--7--7----5---0--|
G|------7--------7--------|---------------7--------|------------7--0-0---0--|

Thanks. I didn't know about that book. The intro must be open G, I was convinced of that. Did the author get the music from Keith? I'am not 100% convinced about the version in the book.

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Amsterdamned
Thanks. I didn't know about that book. The intro must be open G, I was convinced of that. Did the author get the music from Keith? I'am not 100% convinced about the version in the book.

It's a book published by Hal Leonard. No idea if they contacted the Stones for accuracy.

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Koen

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Amsterdamned
Thanks. I didn't know about that book. The intro must be open G, I was convinced of that. Did the author get the music from Keith? I'am not 100% convinced about the version in the book.

It's a book published by Hal Leonard. No idea if they contacted the Stones for accuracy.

IC.

Hal Leonard mostly adds some didactic stuff in his guitar books when it comes to
fingering types.

The book has all guitar parts for all the songs, the actual transcriber was a guy called Jack Morer. There's no "didactic stuff" regarding fingering

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Koen
The book has all guitar parts for all the songs, the actual transcriber was a guy called Jack Morer. There's no "didactic stuff" regarding fingering

You get the bottleneck for free together with some books.



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