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sorry this is probably for another thread.
but....god i wish i knew how to play guitar.

Any advice on how to get started out when your in your late thirties.
I hope it's never too late. Do I start with acoustic or electric? Love both - which is easiest?

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paulr15
sorry this is probably for another thread.
but....god i wish i knew how to play guitar.

Any advice on how to get started out when your in your late thirties.
I hope it's never too late. Do I start with acoustic or electric? Love both - which is easiest?

I teach guitar, mainly to beginners, so I guess I can answer this question. I'm teaching one of my neighbours to play guitar and he's 45.

My advice would be to start with a nylon string acoustic. If you decide you want a steel strung acoustic then make sure the strings are light guage (ie thin). Ask for a set of 'nines' as we call them - extra light is what you get. Don't get a guitar that feels like a plank of wood. Get something that feels easy to hold and when you press the strings down it isn't hard work. Get a tuner and learn how to tune the guitar.

I taught myself guitar without a teacher, so it can be done, but it depends on your outlook. If you would LIKE to play guitar you haven't got enough conviction IMHO. If you WANT to play guitar you'll put the effort in to succeed.

The secret to playing guitar is to practice 10 or 15 minutes EVERY day. You gotta develop a relationship with your guitar.

To begin with learn some basic chords. Buy yourself a chord book or look on the net to find a picture of an E chord, an E minor chord, A chord,A minor chord, D chord, D minor chord. Then make sure you put the correct fingers on the correct strings and play each string one at a time for each chord, so that you can hear each string playing cleanly. Change the order that you play each string in for each chord as well.

Lastly, remember that every guitarist you see today has had to learn from scratch. They aren't all gifted, but they all put the TIME into it.

Even Hendrix and Clapton started from scratch....;-)

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One Hit is in open G - Keith's guitar is anyway.

Sway is in open G - Mick Jagger's guitar is anyway.

Rocks Off is standard.

Luxury is open G.

Child Of The Moon is open G because Keith said it was.

Midnight Rambler is in B sharp only down half a step in standard with a capo...CAUSE I'M OLD GREGG!

B Sharp? I prefer to play songs in F Flat.

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paulr15
sorry this is probably for another thread.
but....god i wish i knew how to play guitar.

Any advice on how to get started out when your in your late thirties.
I hope it's never too late. Do I start with acoustic or electric? Love both - which is easiest?

Just to briefly add to stikky's wise advice and without wandering too far off topic ;^).

The main thing is to stick with it over the first few days and weeks when your fingers just don't seem to want to learn and the whole thing seems impossible ;^)

Get to the point where your fingers are doing as they're told and you've cracked it, it will suddenly gert much eraier and you'll then improve very quickly. Just don't give up too soon ;^)

Proper lessons are geat for some folks. Other's might just like to buy a chord book and then just listen and learn by ear.
Once you have a chord book and few chords up your sleeve, you'll be able to play simple arrangements of most songs.

One Hit is standard tuning. That is easy to tell by ear. Child Of The Moon is open E or D. Where did Keith say that it's in open G? BTW, Keith has also claimed that Little T+A is in open G, but as we know, that is not correct. Don't trust Keith

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<One Hit (To The Body)
Rocks Off
Short And Curlies>

All in standard tuning.

My opinion:

On Hit To The Body - open G

Rocks Off - original 1 guitar track - open G

"5 string riffin'" from voodoo outtakes.

<On Hit To The Body - open G

Rocks Off - original 1 guitar track - open G>

You can achieve a similar effect of what Keith plays when you tune up to open G minor. Same thing with Struggle (I actually thought for a while he tuned up like this for the song. Later found out he does it in standard tuning).

The boogie with the dark E-string on Rock's Off however, is impossible to achieve with open G tuning, unless you keep the low e-string standard tuned. The opening riff is played the same way as if it was tuned in open G, but it doesn't ring as powerful, because the a-string is not used (not the light e-string either).

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<On Hit To The Body - open G

Rocks Off - original 1 guitar track - open G>

You can achieve a similar effect of what Keith plays when you tune up to open G minor. Same thing with Struggle (I actually thought for a while he tuned up like this for the song. Later found out he does it in standard tuning).

The boogie with the dark E-string on Rock's Off however, is impossible to achieve with open G tuning, unless you keep the low e-string standard tuned. The opening riff is played the same way as if it was tuned in open G, but it doesn't ring as powerful, because the a-string is not used (not the light e-string either).

Agreed.

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If You Can't Rock Me
Hand Of Fate
and Stop Breaking Down...as it's nice to solo at the same time there

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One Hit is in open G - Keith's guitar is anyway.

Sway is in open G - Mick Jagger's guitar is anyway.

Rocks Off is standard.

Luxury is open G.

Child Of The Moon is open G because Keith said it was.

Midnight Rambler is in B sharp only down half a step in standard with a capo...CAUSE I'M OLD GREGG!

The studio recording of Child of the Moon is 100% open D, you simply cannot play what is on the record using open G.

Midnight Rambler in B sharp??? Main guitar is standard with capo at 7th fret ie key of B, slide guitar open E.

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One Hit is in open G - Keith's guitar is anyway.

Sway is in open G - Mick Jagger's guitar is anyway.

Rocks Off is standard.

Luxury is open G.

Child Of The Moon is open G because Keith said it was.

Midnight Rambler is in B sharp only down half a step in standard with a capo...CAUSE I'M OLD GREGG!

The studio recording of Child of the Moon is 100% open D, you simply cannot play what is on the record using open G.

Midnight Rambler in B sharp??? Main guitar is standard with capo at 7th fret ie key of B, slide guitar open E.

Yup,I agree.

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>> Midnight Rambler in B sharp??? <<

er ... even i recognized "b sharp down a half step in standard" as a strangulated sort of humour -
it works just fine with the slide guitar in open f flat ... :E

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>> Midnight Rambler in B sharp??? <<

er ... even i recognized "b sharp down a half step in standard" as a strangulated sort of humour -
it works just fine with the slide guitar in open f flat ... :E

Hah, it pays to read things properly huh!?

Yeah, the B sharp was a joke. I know it's a capo at the 7th fret. In standard. A-440 and all that.

Child is in open D. Duh, forgot. Open something.

Struggle is open G. He hits the E minor and it sounds like it's about to die. It's perfeect. The live version I saw him play on that SNL show was open G.

One Hit sounds like open G to me. In standard that jumping between chords doesn't sound the same as it does in open G (as well as Love Is Strong, Wicked As It Seems, Lowdown, It Won't Take Long).

Is there anywhere to actually find out for certain?

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skipstone
Yeah, the B sharp was a joke. I know it's a capo at the 7th fret. In standard. A-440 and all that.

Child is in open D. Duh, forgot. Open something.

Struggle is open G. He hits the E minor and it sounds like it's about to die. It's perfeect. The live version I saw him play on that SNL show was open G.

One Hit sounds like open G to me. In standard that jumping between chords doesn't sound the same as it does in open G (as well as Love Is Strong, Wicked As It Seems, Lowdown, It Won't Take Long).

Is there anywhere to actually find out for certain?

Well, you could ring Keith and ask him, but he's probably busy....

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>> Well, you could ring Keith and ask him, but he's probably busy <<

one of our London-based cohorts could head down to Ronnie's and ask -
it's Leah's wedding today, so they're doubtless all sitting around reminiscing about tunings :E

I never use opne G to play Stones songs, even for those that were originally done that way. I find it more challenging to find ways to play those songs in standard. However I do use open G on acoustic guitar for slack key, old blues stuff and other stuff. Some songs you may know: Bron- y-Aur Stomp, Going To Caifornia and That's The Way are in open G for example.

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You can achieve a similar effect of what Keith plays when you tune up to open G minor. Same thing with Struggle (I actually thought for a while he tuned up like this for the song. Later found out he does it in standard tuning).

Er... excuse me, but even if I'll get stoned to death now... But Struggel Is in open-g, isn't it? I always thought one could tell from the Hollywood Palladium dvd.

Yes, Struggle is in open G. Tuning to open G minor makes the rest of the song - any other riffs - not work and makes no sense. Playing a minor in open G is not difficult. Maybe for some people it is.

thank you, skipstone.

Yer welcome.

Well maybe I just well might call Keith up and ask 'im!

He's busy, we're just havin a drink and watch the footie. Said he couldn't remember Struggle.

I just asked him if he remembers what he was doing during the solo for Sympathy at Joe Robbie in 1994 and he said We were touring that year? Which, by the way, has got to be the worst solo I've ever heard from Keith Richards.

Struggle is standard tuning. We had a thread about it a year ago. I was the one claiming that Keith used open G minor (cause the riff fits well in that tuning), but when I saw live videos (SNL+Palladium) he clearly used standard tuning. The same ringing...

It´s not hard to play minor chords in open G. But it is hard to play the Struggle riff in minor in open G. Try it!

I have played Struggle in open G, just like Keith did on SNL. It's not hard. It's interesting.