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Gazza
When I started trading tapes around 1984, most people I traded with werent really interested in getting a tape copy of a bootleg LP - they wanted it from original tape source, and in as low a generation as possible.
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scottkeef
According to SF mag vol 1 1999 the there were 6 west coast shows taped in 69. 2 in LA,2 in Oak,San Diego and Phoenix by Dub and Ken OF TMOQ. Using a Sennheiser 805 shotgun mic and a Uher 4000 reel to reel-71/2ips 5" reels. Mic was pointed at the drums and let the pa fill out around it. Dub said the mic was anodized black as not to reflect light and not be seen in the dark. (DU "at the time there was no problem getting into concerts to tape cause it had never been a problem before-so you can thank us for the problems you have going into concerts with a tape recorder now....!"
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Gazza
When I started trading tapes around 1984, most people I traded with werent really interested in getting a tape copy of a bootleg LP - they wanted it from original tape source, and in as low a generation as possible.
So how can you tell without seeing the transfer, what generation copy you are getting? I find it to be a difficult task to just declare a tape 1st, 2nd, 3rd generation just by a mere listen.
Tapes back then were crude to begin with, and many imperfections just in the taping process alone. Most source tapers probably used hand held taping machines rather than being set up with elaborate decks that needed space and was not something you tucked into your pants.
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dcba
"I used to know a girl, Andrea"
Was it the girl known as "Vicky Vinyl"?
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The Sicilian
Seems like an oxymoron but isn't the object of recording shows illegally, actually bootlegging when you pass it on to someone else? .
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The Sicilian
Back then how else would someone on the east coast get a copy of a tape from the west coast if it was not mass produced? Someone had to do the legwork for all to enjoy.
Same way as most of us built up a collection in the pre-CDR era. By trading tapes sent through the mail. Most hardcore fans had a collection which didnt primarily consist of mass-produced vinyl. The majority of shows that circulated did so exclusively on tape. What was available on vinyl was only a fraction of what was available. Likewise, its probably true that most recent shows in circulation have circulated in torrent or CDR form through free trades or file sharing. Its only later that they tend to be mass produced - only then do they become 'bootlegs'.
When I started trading tapes around 1984, most people I traded with werent really interested in getting a tape copy of a bootleg LP - they wanted it from original tape source, and in as low a generation as possible.
I think I have about 95% plus of the available Stones shows in my collection. The amount I've actually bought on factory-produced LPs or CD's would barely reach double figures. They're the only ones that I'd classify as bootlegs. The remainder I've traded or torrented.
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Erik_Snow
I wonder if stuff like these complete July 10th/13th tapes and the complete Essen/Hamburg 1973 tapes are still being hold on to by a couple of people, or if the bootlegers just threw them away after releasing their product back then? Impossible question to answer....
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Erik_Snow
I wonder if stuff like these complete July 10th/13th tapes and the complete Essen/Hamburg 1973 tapes are still being hold on to by a couple of people, or if the bootlegers just threw them away after releasing their product back then? Impossible question to answer....
I am under the impression that Hamburg 73 is around?!?
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dcba
"I used to know a girl, Andrea"
Was it the girl known as "Vicky Vinyl"?
Yep.... she never told me that personally - we didn't talk "bootleg backround" much (I felt she was uncomfortable with the subject so I kept my mouth shut) - but I found out later reading up on their operation. Great little shop they had, never saw so many boots in one place, in one room, amazing.... You know her dcba?
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SyracuseStonesFan
Hi All-
Sorry if this question was already addressed, but I'm confused on the source of the much circulated LA Forum '75 shows....
There's a zillion titles (LA Friday, Who went to Chruch This Sunday, I never talked to Chuck Berry, etc.) that are all of the same show (I think).
Is this recording Millard's work, or not?
Like I said - if this has been covered a billion times already, just ignore me.
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dcba
And Millard COULDN'T have taped the 69 West Coast Stones. He's from a diff.generation of tapers (imo same as Freezer) who didn't start until 72-73, maybe 74 (that's why his very 1st Zep tape is Long Beach 1975 03 11, not any of the L.A. 73 extravaganzas).
Second he was against boot LPs, when all the TMOQ tapes were pressed on vinyl days after being taped. IIRC when his Zep 1977 06 21 exc. tape was pressed on vinyl he blew a fuse.