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If I remember rightly all the papers said it would be the last tour and that was the end then someone from he Stones camp said it was the end of large scale tours but they would still play smaller gigs and short tours. I don't know who said it but this was the pretty much general talk at the time.I didn't see the Stones actually say it in person but I'm sure I saw them talk generally about it when being interviewed about other things. I did read that Mick said (in an asian paper)he was definatly going to tour Asia.
a) I think infirmity will be the main factor
b) They havent done one offs in over three decades. It'll require a totally different MO in the way theyve operated for many years to do anything like that. They seem incapable of being able to get together to work for any reason unless it requires a sustained period of activity.
c) I sort of agree. Whilst I think they'll tour again, doping so in shorter bursts makes more sense. In the last four years or so,3 out of the 4 band members have been confronted with their own mortality. In each case, things worked out OK but could very easily have gone the other way. Its a lot to expect a band of this age to plan a long period ahead when anything can be around the next corner.
What form do you think a Winos project would really take. I know Keith said something about the band not being up for a full album and maybe just a few songs for download.
I am always wrong about everything I try to predict but I would think that some kind of a Best Of Keith Richards CD with some new Winos tracks filling it out would make more sense.
Anybody agree?
A "best of" for an artist with two solo studio albums, the most recent of which came out 16 years ago? No. Dont see the point to be honest. Who'd buy it?
If hes going to put out a few songs as downloads thats a different matter, though. Loved that version of 'Pressure drop' with the Maytals from last Christmas.
27/05 Rookverbod voor Rolling Stones in Amsterdam Arena
Komende zomer treden de Rolling Stones op in de Amsterdam Arena. Als rokers Keith Richards en Mick Jagger een sigaretje durven opsteken tijdens hun optreden riskeert de uitbater van de Arena een boete van 300 tot 2400 euro.
"Belang van Limburg"
If I could trust them to do that properly, I'd probably agree.
i'll add a qualifier then:
screw touring; open the vaults after hiring gazza as archive director.
i'm expecting the first archive volume to be an entire 3-cd set devoted to the making and evolution of streets of love.
well that's true, let's just say that what had been correct info became incorrect once the band changed it's mind. Nothing we can do about that.
p
With an interactive DVD where I have evidence on my cellphone of you singing along to it at Twickenham
this will be an easter egg no doubt, though, so virtually impossible for the average stones fan to find....
they always say that
Mick's degree will definitely come in handy when he thinks about the next tour for here in the US!
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Re: How Confident Are You There Will be a 2009 Tour?
Posted by:
pgarof
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Date: May 27, 2008 17:15
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GazzaQuote
Stargroves
pgarof I don't remember this statement at all, can you please take pity on my bad memory and remind me who said it and when? ThanksQuote
pgarof
They said after the 02 last year there would be no more large world tours but smaller ones and i'm sure that's what they'll do.
The Stones didnt say it at all.
There were a few newspaper stories quoting people "close to them" as saying it
If I remember rightly all the papers said it would be the last tour and that was the end then someone from he Stones camp said it was the end of large scale tours but they would still play smaller gigs and short tours. I don't know who said it but this was the pretty much general talk at the time.I didn't see the Stones actually say it in person but I'm sure I saw them talk generally about it when being interviewed about other things. I did read that Mick said (in an asian paper)he was definatly going to tour Asia.
Re: How Confident Are You There Will be a 2009 Tour?
Posted by:
Gazza
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Date: May 27, 2008 17:25
Thats the thing - no 'named' person said it, so it didnt necessarily have credibility - and then the same quote gets regurgitated and distorted when it gets reprinted by other newspapers. Even the expression 'someone in the Stones camp' covers a multitude of options, from Michael Cohl down. I've even read quotes in newspapers describing people who are just fans like you or me as "insiders".
The Stones themselves have been pretty vague about future plans, but I dont recall reading any of them alluding to an end to touring per se.
You're also correct about Jagger telling an Indian newspaper a few months ago that the Stones had plans to play more shows there in the near future.
here's the article (October 2007)- [timesofindia.indiatimes.com]
And the quote :
You are the oldest band still performing. When will you do an India tour?
We have some very good offers, but we want to do it as part of a tour of Asia. When we played in Bangalore and Mumbai, we didn’t play in Delhi and Kolkata. We would love to do that now, as there’s great demand. Hopefully, we will announce a big Asia tour soon, which might include Japan.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2008-05-27 17:28 by Gazza.
The Stones themselves have been pretty vague about future plans, but I dont recall reading any of them alluding to an end to touring per se.
You're also correct about Jagger telling an Indian newspaper a few months ago that the Stones had plans to play more shows there in the near future.
here's the article (October 2007)- [timesofindia.indiatimes.com]
And the quote :
You are the oldest band still performing. When will you do an India tour?
We have some very good offers, but we want to do it as part of a tour of Asia. When we played in Bangalore and Mumbai, we didn’t play in Delhi and Kolkata. We would love to do that now, as there’s great demand. Hopefully, we will announce a big Asia tour soon, which might include Japan.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2008-05-27 17:28 by Gazza.
Re: How Confident Are You There Will be a 2009 Tour?
Posted by:
olorin
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Date: May 27, 2008 17:34
New album Fall 2009
Fall 2009 : US
Winter/Spring 2010 : Big Asia Tour
Summer 2010 : Europe
Fall 2010 : US 2
And Back on the road for the 2012 50th Birthday Tour
Sorry for my english ; I'm a french little boy (but I like it)
Fall 2009 : US
Winter/Spring 2010 : Big Asia Tour
Summer 2010 : Europe
Fall 2010 : US 2
And Back on the road for the 2012 50th Birthday Tour
Sorry for my english ; I'm a french little boy (but I like it)
Re: How Confident Are You There Will be a 2009 Tour?
Posted by:
highanddry
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Date: May 27, 2008 17:34
I believe we have seen the last tour of this band of musicians. Age/infirmity preclude any chance we'll ever see a full-blown tour again.
Now, do I think the Stones will do a few one-offs here and there? Yes.
Do I think we'll ever see them commit 6 months or a year or two years of their lives to tour again? No. I believe Keith and Charlie and Ronnie each have health issues that won't allow it.
Now, do I think the Stones will do a few one-offs here and there? Yes.
Do I think we'll ever see them commit 6 months or a year or two years of their lives to tour again? No. I believe Keith and Charlie and Ronnie each have health issues that won't allow it.
Re: How Confident Are You There Will be a 2009 Tour?
Posted by:
skipstone
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Date: May 27, 2008 17:40
In Rolling Stones Land, soon is Who knows?
Their time between tours is getting shorter? 1978-1981, 1982-1989, 1990-1994 and 1999-2002?
I wouldn't exactly call that getting less. It's more or less the same as it's been for quite some time. And even back in the 1970s some of those tours were not 'world' tours like those years mentioned above.
It hasn't even been a year yet since A Bigger Bang finished. They'll hopefully at least do a single or a couple of singles. I would think by then, if and when they get a record together, the market will have collapsed even further, making the point of releasing a record almost moot. And then could be 2010 at this point.
Whether they sign with Live Nation or not, I'm guessing - for the first time ever in my life as a Stones fan - that the next tour will indeed be the last tour no matter how small it is.
Hell, they said after Licks that they were done doing massive tours. And then here they came with Bang.
I bet the next tour is even bigger. And they'll still manage to avoid playing New Orleans!
Their time between tours is getting shorter? 1978-1981, 1982-1989, 1990-1994 and 1999-2002?
I wouldn't exactly call that getting less. It's more or less the same as it's been for quite some time. And even back in the 1970s some of those tours were not 'world' tours like those years mentioned above.
It hasn't even been a year yet since A Bigger Bang finished. They'll hopefully at least do a single or a couple of singles. I would think by then, if and when they get a record together, the market will have collapsed even further, making the point of releasing a record almost moot. And then could be 2010 at this point.
Whether they sign with Live Nation or not, I'm guessing - for the first time ever in my life as a Stones fan - that the next tour will indeed be the last tour no matter how small it is.
Hell, they said after Licks that they were done doing massive tours. And then here they came with Bang.
I bet the next tour is even bigger. And they'll still manage to avoid playing New Orleans!
Re: How Confident Are You There Will be a 2009 Tour?
Posted by:
Gazza
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Date: May 27, 2008 17:44
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highanddry
I believe we have seen the last tour of this band of musicians. Age/infirmity preclude any chance we'll ever see a full-blown tour again.
Now, do I think the Stones will do a few one-offs here and there? Yes.
Do I think we'll ever see them commit 6 months or a year or two years of their lives to tour again? No. I believe Keith and Charlie and Ronnie each have health issues that won't allow it.
a) I think infirmity will be the main factor
b) They havent done one offs in over three decades. It'll require a totally different MO in the way theyve operated for many years to do anything like that. They seem incapable of being able to get together to work for any reason unless it requires a sustained period of activity.
c) I sort of agree. Whilst I think they'll tour again, doping so in shorter bursts makes more sense. In the last four years or so,3 out of the 4 band members have been confronted with their own mortality. In each case, things worked out OK but could very easily have gone the other way. Its a lot to expect a band of this age to plan a long period ahead when anything can be around the next corner.
Re: How Confident Are You There Will be a 2009 Tour?
Posted by:
skipstone
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Date: May 27, 2008 17:54
I also tend to lean towards - they've done it, over and over again, why not take some time off and, god forbid, decide to not tour again?
I do hope that if they do another US tour it's a shorter one in arenas (NBA, NHL or major basketball/hockey college towns). Or for that matter at least NFL cities if they're going to do stadiums again (that sort of means no race tracks or baseball stadiums). Then that is a shorter tour.
I dunno. I'm still thinking 2010.
I do hope that if they do another US tour it's a shorter one in arenas (NBA, NHL or major basketball/hockey college towns). Or for that matter at least NFL cities if they're going to do stadiums again (that sort of means no race tracks or baseball stadiums). Then that is a shorter tour.
I dunno. I'm still thinking 2010.
Re: How Confident Are You There Will be a 2009 Tour?
Posted by:
Spud
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Date: May 27, 2008 19:09
The only reason they won't tour again is if they can't. i.e Major new health issues.
Mick still needs his Stones persona from time to time. Ronnie's like a big kid...always up for anything. And Charlie, despite his frequent protestations is just like Keith. Ask him why he does it and he doesn't know. It's just what he does.
Mick still needs his Stones persona from time to time. Ronnie's like a big kid...always up for anything. And Charlie, despite his frequent protestations is just like Keith. Ask him why he does it and he doesn't know. It's just what he does.
Re: How Confident Are You There Will be a 2009 Tour?
Posted by:
cbtaco19
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Date: May 27, 2008 19:30
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DandelionPowderman
My sources say fall 2009. But first: The Winos (at least an effort to try to get them together)
What form do you think a Winos project would really take. I know Keith said something about the band not being up for a full album and maybe just a few songs for download.
I am always wrong about everything I try to predict but I would think that some kind of a Best Of Keith Richards CD with some new Winos tracks filling it out would make more sense.
Anybody agree?
Re: How Confident Are You There Will be a 2009 Tour?
Posted by:
thecitadel
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Date: May 27, 2008 19:36
I think Keith in an interview stated that he would prefer Arena gigs as stadiums could be too cold...
Touring gaps as follows (counting less than say 10 gigs in a year as a touring year):
74
77
79,80
83,84,85,86,87,88
91,92,93
96
00,01
04
08
....
So,
in the last 12 years, from 2008, 4 years off.
in the previous 12 years, 7 years off.
in the 12 years before that (starting in 1973), 6 years off
in the 12 years before that, 1 year off ('68) I think....
Touring gaps as follows (counting less than say 10 gigs in a year as a touring year):
74
77
79,80
83,84,85,86,87,88
91,92,93
96
00,01
04
08
....
So,
in the last 12 years, from 2008, 4 years off.
in the previous 12 years, 7 years off.
in the 12 years before that (starting in 1973), 6 years off
in the 12 years before that, 1 year off ('68) I think....
Re: How Confident Are You There Will be a 2009 Tour?
Posted by:
Gazza
()
Date: May 27, 2008 19:43
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cbtaco19Quote
DandelionPowderman
My sources say fall 2009. But first: The Winos (at least an effort to try to get them together)
What form do you think a Winos project would really take. I know Keith said something about the band not being up for a full album and maybe just a few songs for download.
I am always wrong about everything I try to predict but I would think that some kind of a Best Of Keith Richards CD with some new Winos tracks filling it out would make more sense.
Anybody agree?
A "best of" for an artist with two solo studio albums, the most recent of which came out 16 years ago? No. Dont see the point to be honest. Who'd buy it?
If hes going to put out a few songs as downloads thats a different matter, though. Loved that version of 'Pressure drop' with the Maytals from last Christmas.
Re: How Confident Are You There Will be a 2009 Tour?
Posted by:
Rip This
()
Date: May 27, 2008 19:46
............if Tina Turner is going out at 69 and selling places out..........Mick and Keith will too....follow the money trail......especially if they get a Live Nation deal it's going to be about marketing + ticket sales and all the hoopla/media calamnity that surrounds that and them which is sustained by tours.....throw in a few bones like some "vault" stuff...... and......the greatest show on earth....with all respects to the Ringling Bros. Circus....will go on.
Re: How Confident Are You There Will be a 2009 Tour?
Posted by:
T&A
()
Date: May 27, 2008 19:46
screw touring; open the vaults.
Re: How Confident Are You There Will be a 2009 Tour?
Posted by:
Harm
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Date: May 27, 2008 19:55
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Harm
There is an article today in a belgian newspaper that says that the stones won't be able to smoke at their gig in the Amsterdam Arena this summer because of the ban...
27/05 Rookverbod voor Rolling Stones in Amsterdam Arena
Komende zomer treden de Rolling Stones op in de Amsterdam Arena. Als rokers Keith Richards en Mick Jagger een sigaretje durven opsteken tijdens hun optreden riskeert de uitbater van de Arena een boete van 300 tot 2400 euro.
"Belang van Limburg"
Re: How Confident Are You There Will be a 2009 Tour?
Posted by:
Gazza
()
Date: May 27, 2008 20:01
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T&A
screw touring; open the vaults.
If I could trust them to do that properly, I'd probably agree.
Re: How Confident Are You There Will be a 2009 Tour?
Posted by:
T&A
()
Date: May 27, 2008 20:03
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GazzaQuote
T&A
screw touring; open the vaults.
If I could trust them to do that properly, I'd probably agree.
i'll add a qualifier then:
screw touring; open the vaults after hiring gazza as archive director.
Re: How Confident Are You There Will be a 2009 Tour?
Posted by:
Gazza
()
Date: May 27, 2008 20:05
Deal....
and I'll be happy to let everyone whine at my decisions......
and I'll be happy to let everyone whine at my decisions......
Re: How Confident Are You There Will be a 2009 Tour?
Posted by:
T&A
()
Date: May 27, 2008 20:11
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Gazza
Deal....
and I'll be happy to let everyone whine at my decisions......
i'm expecting the first archive volume to be an entire 3-cd set devoted to the making and evolution of streets of love.
Re: How Confident Are You There Will be a 2009 Tour?
Posted by:
timbernardis
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Date: May 27, 2008 20:38
Quote
Gazza
90%
..and for the record, it wasnt a case of people getting their info wrong re - 2008. The Stones changed their minds, as they did in 1996 and 2004, and for some reason decided not to go on the road.
well that's true, let's just say that what had been correct info became incorrect once the band changed it's mind. Nothing we can do about that.
p
Re: How Confident Are You There Will be a 2009 Tour?
Posted by:
Gazza
()
Date: May 27, 2008 20:44
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T&AQuote
Gazza
Deal....
and I'll be happy to let everyone whine at my decisions......
i'm expecting the first archive volume to be an entire 3-cd set devoted to the making and evolution of streets of love.
With an interactive DVD where I have evidence on my cellphone of you singing along to it at Twickenham
Re: How Confident Are You There Will be a 2009 Tour?
Posted by:
T&A
()
Date: May 27, 2008 20:54
Quote
GazzaQuote
T&AQuote
Gazza
Deal....
and I'll be happy to let everyone whine at my decisions......
i'm expecting the first archive volume to be an entire 3-cd set devoted to the making and evolution of streets of love.
With an interactive DVD where I have evidence on my cellphone of you singing along to it at Twickenham
this will be an easter egg no doubt, though, so virtually impossible for the average stones fan to find....
Re: How Confident Are You There Will be a 2009 Tour?
Posted by:
Jon Lasa
()
Date: May 27, 2008 22:24
Hi all
Anyway, I think 100% we all are in the mood of spend the money for the boys once again.
Anyway, I think 100% we all are in the mood of spend the money for the boys once again.
Re: How Confident Are You There Will be a 2009 Tour?
Posted by:
Gazza
()
Date: May 27, 2008 22:29
..dont know about THAT, Jon....LOL
Re: How Confident Are You There Will be a 2009 Tour?
Posted by:
ohnonotyouagain
()
Date: May 27, 2008 23:00
Quote
Gazza
They havent done one offs in over three decades. It'll require a totally different MO in the way theyve operated for many years to do anything like that. They seem incapable of being able to get together to work for any reason unless it requires a sustained period of activity.
That's because it takes them three months of rehersal just to re-learn enough of their songs to be able to play an entire set. Not much point in trying to play one-offs with that kind of limitation.
Re: How Confident Are You There Will be a 2009 Tour?
Posted by:
Baboon Bro
()
Date: May 27, 2008 23:02
"it takes them three months of rehersal just to re-learn enough of their songs"
Hey, Brother Onnya! What did ya pick that figure from?
Hey, Brother Onnya! What did ya pick that figure from?
Re: How Confident Are You There Will be a 2009 Tour?
Posted by:
melillo
()
Date: May 27, 2008 23:54
Quote
pgarof
They said after the 02 last year there would be no more large world tours but smaller ones and i'm sure that's what they'll do.
they always say that
Re: How Confident Are You There Will be a 2009 Tour?
Posted by:
mickschix
()
Date: May 28, 2008 01:47
I think that one major factor that could impact a Stones tour is the depression in the USA! Yes, not recession, border-line depression and at $400 a wack(per show) I can tell you for sure, my shows will be few and far between. This is a first for me! I always made it work, found extra $$ to travel to the shows and buy the best seats but unless something reverses the trend, it will be a bleak tour at best. I can see half full arenas, even at smaller venues. Maybe the prices will actually DECREASE.....yeah, right, dumb thought.
Re: How Confident Are You There Will be a 2009 Tour?
Posted by:
Gazza
()
Date: May 28, 2008 01:49
here's to an even bigger depresssion, then!
Re: How Confident Are You There Will be a 2009 Tour?
Posted by:
Justin
()
Date: May 28, 2008 02:22
Quote
mickschix
I think that one major factor that could impact a Stones tour is the depression in the USA! Yes, not recession, border-line depression and at $400 a wack(per show) I can tell you for sure, my shows will be few and far between. This is a first for me! I always made it work, found extra $$ to travel to the shows and buy the best seats but unless something reverses the trend, it will be a bleak tour at best. I can see half full arenas, even at smaller venues. Maybe the prices will actually DECREASE.....yeah, right, dumb thought.
Mick's degree will definitely come in handy when he thinks about the next tour for here in the US!
Re: How Confident Are You There Will be a 2009 Tour?
Posted by:
Gazza
()
Date: May 28, 2008 03:45
LOL..what degree? He dropped out of the LSE after about a year.
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