ryanpow Wrote:
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> Your making a good case tatters I must say. Im not
> completley convinced, but Im starting to be...
>
> I dont know about the wall Shit smearing though



I guess we'll never know for sure. I'm just surprised that no "professional" rock journalist noticed the same things I noticed and asked them about it. I wish they had made a video for RFD showing three young guys cavorting around London. It would have been a lot of fun to make a video like that, sort of a mini-Quadrophenia. They could have sprinkled little clues in the video, like maybe you see the TV for just a split second, from the back, and it's got an old-fashioned rabbit-ear antenna on it, but you would just see it for a split second, not enough to notice it on a first viewing. And then at the end, maybe they show "Mick" making out with the chick and the phone is ringing and the camera pans over to the nightstand and you see it's a clunky old rotary phone and you say "Hey! Wait a minute! Let me see that again! And then when you watch it again there's all these little split second clues, like maybe the boys walk past a movie theatre and for a split second you see it says "Dr. No" on the marquee.

But that's not really their style of video-making, is it? They would much rather just be seen performing the song to a bunch of beautiful 20-something women who have been specially hired for the occassion to act as if they know who the Stones are and are thrilled as the prospect of seeing them perform.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2007-07-10 16:54 by tatters.

I think the video they have for the song is pretty good.

I don't give a @#$%& if the song is about 1963 or 2005 the song sucks almost as bad as Streets of Shit!
I also can't beleive I read this thread.

WHooooooo....Guess it's not the best day to ask ya for a couple of bucks...



ROCKMAN

tatters Wrote:
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> I guess we'll never know for sure. I'm just
> surprised that no "professional" rock journalist
> noticed the same things I noticed and asked them
> about it.



Because people usually don't waste their time on something so trivial and unimportant.

Stones Blah Wrote:
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> I don't give a @#$%& if the song is about 1963 or
> 2005 the song sucks almost as bad as Streets of
> Shit!
> I also can't beleive I read this thread.

wow.....bad day?

I like the song actually.

I'm just kidding around, maybe the song is about the early 60's. I just never gave it much thought as I don't think it's a very good song. Glad for those who like it.

I think it's one of the best songs on ABB.

Ok then Stones Blah...can I have $50 twice a day for 5 weeks....



ROCKMAN

I like it, wish they'd play it more. I think I've heard it once live so far.

Rockman Wrote:
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> Ok then Stones Blah...can I have $50 twice a day
> for 5 weeks....


No..... although you do post some great photos!

Thanks man.....3 weeks?



ROCKMAN

It's probably my favorite song on ABB, and I saw it live 10/15/05...great show.

Another passage from Chris Andersen's "Jagger Unauthorized" that might help to explain the relationship between the Stones and their neighbors at 102 Edith Grove:

"By way of immersing himself in the low life, Mick paid an occasional visit to his downstairs neighbors. "Allo, dahlin', 'ow are ya? All right?" they would ask each time Mick made his way up the rickety stairs. Keith described them as "real old boots," but in reality they were probably in the mid-thirties. More nursemaids than hookers, they brought barley soup and blankets when the boys were suffering through hangovers or the flu. Appalled at the conditions under which these young musicians were living, they even volunteered to do the cleaning. By way of compensation, Mick, Keith, and Brian would take turns having sex with the women."



Those women would be around 80 years old now. Boggles your mind, doesn't it? Well, it probably boggles Mick's mind, too.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2007-07-11 16:20 by tatters.

.......from timeisonourside:


...London's gotten even scarier. Rain Fall Down is a song about London. It has a line, Feel like we're living in a battleground / Everyone's jazzed. That was in my head already. There weer so many armed police in the streets. Walking around, seeing machine guns, is not how you imagine London to be. If we keep going down this track, we're not going to get back.

- Mick Jagger, July 2005

(I)t's very tongue-in-cheek. But yeah it's saying, We all live here, why do we think it's so great? I wasn't thinking about the girl selling my story exactly, more the tawdriness of it all. I was thinking of someone like Jude Law and the nanny. He's like the new Hugh Grant.

- Mick Jagger, July 2005

I like eggs at the right moment. It's really nice at the right moment. Not the wrong moment. In the morning. (After sex, y)eah, but in the morning!

- Mick Jagger, July 2005

Rip This Wrote:
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> .......from timeisonourside:
>
>
> ...London's gotten even scarier. Rain Fall Down is
> a song about London. It has a line, Feel like
> we're living in a battleground / Everyone's
> jazzed. That was in my head already. There weer so
> many armed police in the streets. Walking around,
> seeing machine guns, is not how you imagine London
> to be. If we keep going down this track, we're not
> going to get back.
>
> - Mick Jagger, July 2005


When he said "That [line] was in my head already", he meant that he had written it BEFORE the 2005 London terror attacks. "Battleground" would apply, of course, but why would everyone be "jazzed"? Jazzed means you're EXCITED about something, or, in my theory, it's a word used to describe the patrons of the jazz club where the Stones played on Thursday nights, the Marquee. I think when he was faced with having to answer questions about this song, he just couldn't find it in himself to admit that he had written something purely out of nostalgia, so he just lied about it. That wouldn't be anything new for him, would it?

tatters, I like you, but you need a hobby. This is taking up way too much of your time.

Try visiting a "Paul Is Dead", "Dark Side Of The Moon/Wizard Of Oz", "Willie Wonka/2112", or "Who Really Killed Kennedy" (BTW, it's not you and me) site. Maybe a girlfriend (non-inflatable) would help. Take a walk. Actually go outdooors.

All in fun, my friend.

"No Anchovies, Please"



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2007-07-11 17:03 by Elmo Lewis.

....so in an interview Mick explains the song is indeed about contemporary London, and that the bimbo was spilling the beans about him, not a 1963 Secretary of War or whatever, and tatters still clings to his theory by saying Mick was lying?......hmmmm.....

Lukester Wrote:
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> ....so in an interview Mick explains the song is
> indeed about contemporary London, and that the
> bimbo was spilling the beans about him, not a 1963
> Secretary of War or whatever, and tatters still
> clings to his theory by saying Mick was
> lying?......hmmmm.....


Yeah. He's a great one for pulling your leg. Maybe he wanted to keep the story about what that song's about a secret, just for his own personal amusement, just to see if anyone was smart enough to figure it out.

Tatters, I really like your analysis of the song and especially your attitude! And I believe you have a point. I remember reading Jagger talking about the album and saying that some of the songs are very personal. Interviewer asked about something ABB being written for Jerry Hall, but Jagger denied that, but said - if my memory serves me right - that there are some songs that are more personal and concrete than usual. I remember thinking "excuse me, which ones? I don't hear any". The point is that I find Jagger's lyrics nowadays very uninspiring and thin, so I don't bother to listen the lyrics very carefully. But luckily soneone does!

- Doxa

This will get you to Dark Side Of The Rainbow:

[members.cox.net]

The Links section will get you to Wonka/2112.

Any similar Stones stuff out there?

"No Anchovies, Please"

>The bankers are @#$%& every Thursday night
they just vomit on the ground

[The Stones played at the Marquee on Thursday nights. The "bankers" may refer to certain people who showed up for the gigs, but who were there mainly to get loaded and had little interest in the music .... much like some of the people in the audiences today!]


or tomorrow night!

tatters Wrote:
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> TooTough Wrote:
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> -----
> > I thought the song was about @#$%& a girl on a
> > rainy night.
>
> It is, but in 1962, not 2005. Mick doesn't visit
> "filthy blocks of flats" anymore, much less @#$%&
> the people who live in them.


he doesnt even sing in front of them anymore either..LOL

tatters Wrote:
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> Here's another clue for you all:
>
> In a 2005 Rolling Stone Magazine interview, Mick
> actually said that Rain Fall Down is a song about
> London. In the lyrics he asks "Why do we live in
> this strange grey town?" Well, they DON'T live
> there, now.


er..yes he does.

Anyway, are you familiar with the expression "artistic licence" ?

Interesting analysis though, I'll give you that, even though its a bit OVER analytical (I dont buy the shit-smearing either nor the 'clue' in 'Streets of Love'. The Stones arent that 'deep' and at this stage in their career I cant imagine them being arsed about putting clues in songs for fans to find. If anything, theyre more likely to want to avoid that level of obsession)



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2007-07-11 18:49 by Gazza.

tatters Wrote:
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>
> I guess we'll never know for sure. I'm just
> surprised that no "professional" rock journalist
> noticed the same things I noticed and asked them
> about it. I wish they had made a video for RFD
> showing three young guys cavorting around London.
> It would have been a lot of fun to make a video
> like that, sort of a mini-Quadrophenia. They could
> have sprinkled little clues in the video, like
> maybe you see the TV for just a split second, from
> the back, and it's got an old-fashioned rabbit-ear
> antenna on it, but you would just see it for a
> split second, not enough to notice it on a first
> viewing. And then at the end, maybe they show
> "Mick" making out with the chick and the phone is
> ringing and the camera pans over to the nightstand
> and you see it's a clunky old rotary phone and you
> say "Hey! Wait a minute! Let me see that again!
> And then when you watch it again there's all these
> little split second clues, like maybe the boys
> walk past a movie theatre and for a split second
> you see it says "Dr. No" on the marquee.
>
> But that's not really their style of video-making,
> is it?

Nope - sounds much more like the nostalgic video the "Threatles" made to accompany "Free As a Bird" ??

"The paint is peeling and the sky's turned brown"

At Edith Grove, "Paint and plaster flaked off the smoke-smudged ceilings".

If you're indoors, the ceiling IS your sky.

I won't let this die until Mick admits that I was right about this! (LOL)

Eh, it doesn't matter, it's a crap song. Another one of several that should have been left off A Bigger Bang.

Absolute rubbish - this is is a contemporary vision of modern urban London. I like the song, especially the extended remix.

Best thread about spit, snot and shit for ages. It's set me up nicely for Sunday breakfast!