I always thought that the bit about "some bimbo spilling the beans" for £10,000 was a hint that just possibly this apparently nice girl in the filthy block of flats might be going to do just that about My Night With Mick...

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>
> Why this need to jump to their defense over this
> story? Of all the things they may or may not have
> done in their lifetimes, a little fingerpainting
> in excrement gets you worked up? "OH, NO!, NOT MY
> BOYS! THEY WOULD NEVER PLAY WITH THEIR OWN POOP!"


It's not that I want to jump to their defense. I'm not defending them, I'm saying the statement is bullshit. I don't think anybody would smear shit on the walls of the apartment that they live in. And why do you believe that? You act as if you want to believe that they rubbed their own shit on the walls of their apartment. Why do you defend this rediculous statement? It would be different if multiple sources made this claim but one author makes that statement and you believe it.....Which is ok. I've already made my point. You have your opinion, I have mine.

But anywayz, I suppose people are tired of this subject so I'll give it a rest.

There are some good points made about the lyrics in the song. I don't agree with them all and I don't think the song was about something Mick did in 1962, but an interesting idea nonetheless. Actually I think I'll have a closer listen to the lyrics.

The Joker Wrote:
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> Smart insight, but I don't get that
>
> She cooked up some eggs
> Then she made some tea
> Kissed me on the cheek
> Then I turned on her TV
>
>
>
> Who offered sexual services ? The Stones or the
> hookers? Because if the hookers give eggs, it is
> to pay something in return. Otherwise, it means
> the Stones had free sex, and also free eggs? Or
> was it a kind of special bed and breakfast service?



The women were well into their 30s, and The Stones, at 19 or 20, were at the peak of their sexual stamina. It was the Stones who "sold" their sexual services to the women in return for cooking and cleaning services. And, quite probably, the women just wanted to "mother" them a little.



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Here's another clue for you all:

In a 2005 Rolling Stone Magazine interview, Mick actually said that Rain Fall Down is a song about London. In the lyrics he asks "Why do we live in this strange grey town?" Well, they DON'T live there, now. But they did, in the early 60s.

tatters Wrote:
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> Here's another clue for you all:




The walrus was Paul.

sweetcharmedlife Wrote:
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> tatters Wrote:
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> > Here's another clue for you all:
>
>
>
>
> The walrus was Paul.


And another one:

In the 25 x 5 video, Charlie Watts, in recalling the "ridiculous household" in which Mick, Keith and Brian lived, specifically mentions that the door was off its hinges. In the lyric, Mick reverses it and says "The hinge was off the door". Why? Because it's easier to rhyme "door" than it is to rhyme "hinge".

tatters wrote:

Laugh if you want, but the ABB CD contains a secret hidden message for the person who figures out the clues. It's the first line of the very next song, which is "You're awful bright, you're awful smart".


Okay, I'm too dumb to figure the clues out. What is the secret hidden message?

"No Anchovies, Please"

"Piss On The Wall" - cool J. Geils song

"No Anchovies, Please"

Piss on the wall? Never heard that one from Geils before Elmo.

"It's just some friends of mine and they're busting down the door"

I have to say your theory is plausible. But even if it were true, I still think it`s a mediocre song. The bass solo is hot though.

Elmo, there's a hidden message in the minds of those who believe.....If you were to ask me, there aint no hidden message....

charmed, "POTW" is the last song on the Freeze Frame album/CD.

Lukester, I ain't seen no hidden messages either! Maybe they're gonna add an "A" and become ABBA?!?

Mick: "I'd like to buy a vowel. An "A".

"No Anchovies, Please"

Thanks E.....I was wonderin' since I happen to be listening to J.Geils anthology in my car at the moment and that classic isn't on there.

"It's just some friends of mine and they're busting down the door"

tatters, did you say they don't live in London?

i thought they all did except Keith now.

King Snake Wrote:
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> I have to say your theory is plausible. But even
> if it were true, I still think it`s a mediocre
> song. The bass solo is hot though.



The Profumo Affair is the key to my theory's plausibility. The essential question is, Could Mick have seen something on TV in 1962-1963 that would fit the "For 10,000 quid some bimbo spilled the beans" lyric? And the answer is yes! Check it out:

[en.wikipedia.org]

charmed - another Geils classic "Cry One More Time".

"No Anchovies, Please"

Blinds & Shutters - Michael Cooper....
Still many thanks to CINDYC and all who contributed



ROCKMAN

.... id like to have that deco goat..

What is with this over-analyzing of Rain Fall Down? There's no hidden message in the song. Whether it's true or not, it's just a story and nothing more.

it's_all_wrong Wrote:
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> What is with this over-analyzing of Rain Fall
> Down? There's no hidden message in the song.
> Whether it's true or not, it's just a story and
> nothing more.


What's fascinating about RFD is that the notoriously un-nostalgic Mick would actually write lyrics about the band's earliest days when he shared a flat with Keith and Brian, and then sing them without the slightest hint of sentimentality to a generic funk track. I consider it a major event, and one that no one's really picked up on, despite the fact that they made it clear. They made it very, very, clear. They made it abundantly clear.



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could it be that This song is not set in any particular place or time, is not based on any specific event, but that Mick drew on past events/places for inspiration? or am I just being too resonalbe? for example, the hinges may have been off the door at Edith Grove but he turns on HER tv.



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maybe



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I dont think there's any "hidden message" in there. The song could be about living in London in the early '60's but I doubt it. I think it's more contemporary. Anything's possible though.

I don't think the first line of "Streets Of Love" ("you're awful cute, you're awful smart") is any clue whatsoever. That's rediculous in my opinion. But hey, to each their own.

Tumblin_Dice_07 Wrote:
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> I dont think there's any "hidden message" in
> there. The song could be about living in London in
> the early '60's but I doubt it. I think it's more
> contemporary. Anything's possible though.
>
> I don't think the first line of "Streets Of Love"
> ("you're awful cute, you're awful smart") is any
> clue whatsoever. That's rediculous in my opinion.
> But hey, to each their own.



The line is "You're awful bright, you're awful smart". Yes it COULD just be a coincidence that that's the first line of the song that follows RFD on the CD. Or it could have been put there on purpose as a sort of congratulations to anyone who understood that there is more to RFD than meets the ear.

ryanpow Wrote:
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> could it be that This song is not set in any
> particular place or time, is not based on any
> specific event, but that Mick drew on past
> events/places for inspiration? or am I just being
> too resonalbe? for example, the hinges may have
> been off the door at Edith Grove but he turns on
> HER tv.



Songwriters will often tell you that a song is seldom about one particular person or event, that they draw on a lifetime of experiences and various combinations of people they've known. But I really think that in RFD Mick is describing the world in which he lived at the age of nineteen, which is why I think it's such a notable curiosity. It's so not like him. It's more like something Pete Townshend would do. Except Townshend would have written a better song.

Mick turns on HER tv because he's in her apartment. They both lived in the same building, but in separate apartments. Hers was "spick and span" meaning immaculately clean, and Mick is well known to be a neat freak, which is why living with Keith and Brian must have driven him insane.

It's also interesting to note that Spic and Span is the name of a household cleaning product. It's still sold today. And yes, it was sold in the early 1960s, too.

tatters Wrote:
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>
>
> The line is "You're awful bright, you're awful
> smart". Yes it COULD just be a coincidence that
> that's the first line of the song that follows RFD
> on the CD. Or it could have been put there on
> purpose as a sort of congratulations to anyone who
> understood that there is more to RFD than meets
> the ear.


ok....awful bright, awful cute......whatever....I just don't think it has anything what so ever to do with "Rain Fall Down". Now they might have done something like that on Satanic Majesties but I seriously doubt they'd do anything like that now.

I really don't think the song is about living in London in '62 either, but you've made some good points and could argue that theory. But even if it was true, their wouldn't be any "hidden message" to it. I understand what you mean when you say that, but really there's nothing hidden there at all. Whatever the song is about is right there in the lyrics for anybody to interpret.

Your making a good case tatters I must say. Im not completley convinced, but Im starting to be...

I dont know about the wall Shit smearing though



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tatters Wrote:
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> ryanpow Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > could it be that This song is not set in any
> > particular place or time, is not based on any
> > specific event, but that Mick drew on past
> > events/places for inspiration? or am I just
> being
> > too resonalbe? for example, the hinges may
> have
> > been off the door at Edith Grove but he turns
> on
> > HER tv.
>
>
>
> Songwriters will often tell you that a song is
> seldom about one particular person or event, that
> they draw on a lifetime of experiences and various
> combinations of people they've known. But I really
> think that in RFD Mick is describing the world in
> which he lived at the age of nineteen, which is
> why I think it's such a notable curiosity. It's so
> not like him. It's more like something Pete
> Townshend would do. Except Townshend would have
> written a better song.
>
> Mick turns on HER tv because he's in her
> apartment. They both lived in the same building,
> but in separate apartments. Hers was "spick and
> span" meaning immaculately clean, and Mick is well
> known to be a neat freak, which is why living with
> Keith and Brian must have driven him insane.
>
> It's also interesting to note that Spic and Span
> is the name of a household cleaning product. It's
> still sold today. And yes, it was sold in the
> early 1960s, too.


I believe a lot of your ideas are purely coincidental. You're fact about Spick and Span is hardly something that cracks the case. I could also say that rain is something that happens still today---and happened in the 1960s too!

I'm sorry, but Mick's writing hasn't had any metaphorical depth in a long long time and I don't see it in a simple pop/funk song like RFD.

The song, in my opinion, is Mick creating a story that if I'm not mistaken was about the line "some bimbo spilled the beans." regarding a woman who sleeps with the male character of the song and then tells the whole world the next morning. (was this autobiographical?)

To think that Mick still thinks about his days in London as a teenager is far-fetched to me. Plausible, yes...but not in this song.

where can you still get spic and span? its hard to find. Its the best smelling product for mopping floors. It doesnt have that heavy amonia smell that you would find in Lysol.



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Elmo Lewis Wrote:
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> charmed - another Geils classic "Cry One More
> Time".


Elmo,that one I am well aware of. Like I said been listening to Anthology lately. That one is on there and mighty fine. They were indeed the funkiest band in the land..............Sorry to hijack the thread boys. But I can never resist talking about J.Geils.