I think I got that right.
I caught the tail end of an interview with Harvey Goldsmith harping on that high ticket prices were the fault of illegal downloaders and ticket touts (yeah right).
We're allegedly suffering what is known in the music business as the 'Bowie factor'. Bowie reconed years ago that piracy would eventually drive bands into doing expensive tours as they couldn't rely on cd sales anymore.
Harvey Goldsmith wanted to assure us all that bands weren't out to rip off the general public with high ticket prices and it was the blood sucking ticket touts and scalpers, creaming a living from flogging tickets on ebay etc we were to blame (or something).
Needless to say they mentioned the Stones playing to a mere 30,000 in Belgium recently and Streisand and the Who canceling dates due to low ticket sales.


Times report here;

[entertainment.timesonline.co.uk]

For Germany:

pitch standing

1976 -- € 10
1982 -- € 19
1990-- € 28
1995 -- € 32
1998 -- € 50
2003 -- € 80 to 90
2006/7 -- (seated) -- € 190 !!

nearly 4 times higher from 1998 to 2007

66%??? IN Germany the prices have gone from 30 EUR in 95 to 190 EUR in 2007. That's more than 6 times the prices in 12 years. That means 633%. (therefore the playing time has been reduced from 2:20 to 1:50!).

TooTough Wrote:
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> For Germany:
>
> pitch standing CORRECTION
>
> 1976 -- € 10 € 12 Standing in Stuttgart
> 1982 -- € 19 € 22 in Germany for the most expensive tickets
> 1990-- € 28 € 33 for Munich
> 1995 -- € 32 € 37
> 1998 -- € 50 € 70-100 in 1999 in Stuttgart
> 2003 -- € 80 to 90 € 80 - 110 but much more in UK and US
> 2006/7 -- (seated) -- € 190 !! € sorry 105 in the first 1-6 Rows in Germany
with the rs.com membership 170.
>
> nearly 4 times higher from 1998 to 2007



I just think you should be correct. Perhaps I am picky, but Germany in 2007 was the first country where the people had the chance to book the best seats via seating map online. And if one chooses the most expensive seat instead checking it's another problem.

US had an increase from 22 USD (Stadium shows in 1981) to USD 450 in 2005.
I do not think that the people over there earned 22 time more in that time.

What happened in a lot of EU contries like France, Germany and UK is that the prices have been adjusted to the US.

I fully agree that it is out of range, but at the end know that it will be one of the last times

I know its all been said before (so why go on) - but it's rather a shame that the common man/woman who supported these bands through the lean years has been priced out of seeing them.
£150 for a decent seat (O2) to see any band is gross. It's telling that as always, the 'cheap' seats (thats a laugh,£70 for the O2) has long been sold out, with plenty of expensive ones left for the richly curious, who'll clap like demented Seals and enquire, "Which one is Ringo........?"

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> ....sold out, with plenty of expensive ones left for
> the richly curious, who'll clap like demented
> Seals and enquire, "Which one is Ringo........?"


ROTFLMFAO ... ;^)

I read that piece in the Times, and suddenly I said to myself, "See the Stones are just trying to make money to support themselves when they can't work anymore..."

All this reminded me of my first trip to London in the late 60's. I was young, nicely innocent and had never been to a "private club" for young people before. The club was "The Speakeasy" where rock elite hung out, usually eating dinner around midnight. I remember being rather stunned to see Beef Stroganoff served with chips.

To my point -- The club was filled with musicians, most of whom had dough. I hit it off with Keith Moon, quite sane and very funny at the time, and we started joking about what would happen to rock musicians when no one cared about the music anymore. At this moment, most of the musicians I knew hoped they would last for "about three years." Anyway, Keith took me, fueled by booze, of course, around to all the starry tables and we collected money for a future "old age home for musicians". It was all quite merry and silly.

About 4AM people were beginning to leave for home, and by 5AM, when The Speakeasy was quite empty, someone helped us count the money and we realized in amazement that we had about 4,000 pounds!

It was embarrassing. What should we do with the dough? Keith was fairly loaded and I was exhausted so I suggested we just split it among the club staff.

Obviously, it was quite a different world then. No Rolling Stone or anyone else at that time could have imagined the price of tickets to a gig today.

From Shidoobee:
[p081.ezboard.com]

sorry entertainment nnews link posted already

'Tis the price we pay when we want to recapture the magical times of our youth.

Rockingfan Wrote:
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> TooTough Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > For Germany:
> >
> > pitch standing CORRECTION
> >
> > 1976 -- € 10 € 12 Standing in
> Stuttgart
> > 1982 -- € 19 € 22 in Germany for
> the most expensive tickets
> > 1990-- € 28 € 33 for Munich
> > 1995 -- € 32 € 37
> > 1998 -- € 50 € 70-100 in 1999 in
> Stuttgart
> > 2003 -- € 80 to 90 € 80 - 110 but much
> more in UK and US
> > 2006/7 -- (seated) -- € 190 !! € sorry 105 in
> the first 1-6 Rows in Germany
> with the rs.com
> membership 170.
> >
> > nearly 4 times higher from 1998 to 2007
>
>
>
> I just think you should be correct. Perhaps I am
> picky, but Germany in 2007 was the first country
> where the people had the chance to book the best
> seats via seating map online. And if one chooses
> the most expensive seat instead checking it's
> another problem.
>
> US had an increase from 22 USD (Stadium shows in
> 1981) to USD 450 in 2005.
> I do not think that the people over there earned
> 22 time more in that time.
>
> What happened in a lot of EU contries like France,
> Germany and UK is that the prices have been
> adjusted to the US.
>
> I fully agree that it is out of range, but at the
> end know that it will be one of the last times



Why are you correcting my numbers with other sections?
I was talking about the prices for standing pitch. And
they have been what I have written.

Ticket prices up 66% in ten years





Now tell me it's wrong to bash the Stones!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


We're paying their #%&&*!!! Rent and Alimony!

Shit!

They have a right to spend the money they make any way they choose.

We have the same right.

Re world economics generally, With the weak dollar, I noticed this year in France that numerous items I would have liked to buy in Galeries Lafayette had gone up twenty to thirty per cent over last June when I was there.

Paris, France, 1982
The ticket price 95 francs, about 14/15 euros. With this price, you watched for example, at the second show, june 14, 1982:
- Georges thorogood and the destroyers
- J. Geils Band
- Telephone (french rock band)
- The rolling stones
Concerts were cheaper and the program was better too.

I still remember my first three concerts in the 60's
Hendrix - $6.50 top price
Cream - 6.50 top price
Doors - same as above

I think the first real concert I went to was Led Zep in 1971. We got a preview of a new song called Stairway to Heaven because it hadn't come out yet. Tickets were 4, 5 and 6 dollars. Can't really remember, but I think I paid 6

JK Wrote:
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> From Shidoobee:
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> m593.showMessage?topicID=113.topic


I don't know where these prices for France for Genesis and Police are sourced from, but it is not the public sales price, which are well, well below. Further, Streisand sang in Paris-Bercy to a 10,000 audience vs a capacity of 17,000. So, I have many doubts about this article.