Keith is GREAT...However, its like comparing a footballer when he is 25 and now 60. No way he is better than between 1962 and 1972.....Cant be...Same witH Muddy, the Wolf or any of the guys that kept playin' til the end....Keith will tell you that.

JR

Fcuk me!!

you lot still banging on about it, get a grip. We all make mistakes in life and on stage. Jeezus wept, I'm off to live as a hermit.

NickB

Go for it Keith...You just keep on rollin'
best you can 'cause us…Fag Hags...Snake-Charmers..
Cross Eyed Gamblers…Tattooed Bandits…Gypsy’s…Outlaws..
Fire Eaters….Lovers & Killers…Rat Hole Rockers…Bowlegged Riders...
Ploughmen..Tight Rope Walkers…Stray Cats...Bounty Hunters…Salts Of The Earth...We's all love ya man..









ROCKMAN

.... ALL RIGHT ROCKMAN!

Actually, I was pretty impressed with this, he got caught up but most of all...kept his hands on the guitar and played for longer than I've seen him do so in a performance of this song in a while. Not the greatest but, better than posing through half of it. I'de say 8/10.

I think the biggest head-scractcher is why the hell there should be ANY confusion on how to play Satisfaction at this point in their career

Watch Ron and Keith's interaction from 0:33 to 0:50. Keith is clearly confused. It pains me to see him standing like there looking totally lost.

deuce Wrote:
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> I think the biggest head-scractcher is why the
> hell there should be ANY confusion on how to play
> Satisfaction at this point in their career
>

The world is changing, The Stones are changing, I am changing, we are all changing...

The only RIGHT way to play Satisfaction is to change it!

It shouldn't confuse you that much...

pmk251 Wrote:
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> If some one were to ask me the best show Keith
> ever played, I know what would pop into my head:
> Inglewood, 11/8/69, 2nd. True or not, I recommend
> this show to every Keith fan. It is a very strong
> and sexy performance. It is also a vivid
> reminder.

...... i second that motion,,, i was there

..... whats interesting, but not amusing, and definitely pathic,, is that for


some if keith ran over your kid, it would be alright.

Don't you think that's a bit of a stretch there soundcheck? How you got from people loving Keith to that assumption is anyone's guess but it sounds like a silly statement to make if you ask me.

deuce Wrote:
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> Watch Ron and Keith's interaction from 0:33 to
> 0:50. Keith is clearly confused.
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Holy Jeezles, this is a disaster. 17 whole seconds out of a 2 hours show.
I wish I was confused this little ... and I am only 51 :-)

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Keep On Rolling

keefriff99 Wrote:
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> vudicus Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Deuce, you never make a mess of anything I
> take
> > it?
>
> I am really tired of all the rationalizing and
> sniveling apologists on this board. Keith has
> made an obscene amount of money off us fans and we
> have every right to call a spade a spade, and that
> "performance" was an atrocity. If Keith wasn't a
> rockstar and performed like that in any other
> white- or blue-collar job, he'd have been fired by
> now.
>
> I don't know if Keith is sick or drunk/stoned...
>
> If it's the former, then I feel terrible for him
> and his family, but I would hope to hell that the
> Stones retire sooner rather than later before he
> degrades their legacy any further.
>
> If it's the latter, then screw him. I will always
> love Keith, but if he's so goddamned narcissistic,
> and shows such contempt for his fans that he can't
> sober up for 2 hours a day, then I'm finished with
> this band. I won't waste any more time or money
> having my wonderful memories of the Stones ruined
> by Keith's decline.
>
>
> And for all you saying that the Stones have always
> been mistake-prone...
>
> ...there's a HUGE difference between the
> gloriously sloppy/ragged performances that the
> Stones are known for, and the out-to-lunch guitar
> work that has sadly been marring the Stones'
> recent shows.
>
>
> I know a lot of you will want to fight over my
> post, but please, save it. I'm a huge Stones fan
> but I can't figure out why you bend over backwards
> to excuse such poor performances. I feel bad for
> Keith, but worse for Mick and Charlie, who keep
> the show rolling as best they can.

keefriff99, I'm 100% with you!

Sorry, soundcheck. I didn't know it was Keith driving those big trucks throughout Europe. No wonder he looks a bit tired sometimes...

Yeah, that '72 version rocks, but it's not very hard to see/hear that the vocal-tracks are dubbed. Both Keith's and Mick's. I mean; you can hear Mick singing without him even beeing near a mike-stand! Keith's voice is also crystal clear even though he is far from the microphone. But I still agree that Keith isn't as good as he once was. The end of the '80s was his peak as a guitarplayer as far as I'm concerned.
Still he was more often out of it in the seventies due to drugs/alcohol than he is today. But I guess our memory fades.....

Rockman Wrote:
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> Go for it Keith...You just keep on rollin'
> best you can 'cause us…Fag
> Hags...Snake-Charmers..
> Cross Eyed Gamblers…Tattooed
> Bandits…Gypsy’s…Outlaws..
> Fire Eaters….Lovers & Killers…Rat Hole
> Rockers…Bowlegged Riders...
> Ploughmen..Tight Rope Walkers…Stray Cats...Bounty
> Hunters…Salts Of The Earth...We's all love ya
> man..
>
>
>
>
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Best post of the whole thread!! Free paella for Rockman tonight!!

with sssoul Wrote:
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> >> apart from his playing he wasn't able to
> remember the words of 3 (short) verses <<
>
> um ... are we talking about the same performance?
> i mean the Nijmegen 07 rendition of Happy:
>


> vMjs
> Keith sings all three verses - he even remembers
> to sing most of every line into the mic.
> if a few words different from the studio version
> make a performance "terrible" for you,
> then i guess you haven't enjoyed much all these
> decades. i am sorry for you, truly.

At least he should be able to read as they have those teleprompter
for the lyrics ;-)

soundcheck Wrote:
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> .... ALL RIGHT ROCKMAN!

oh yeh! not only the keithfucias of the board, but the iorr friggin' michaelangelo...
and also a gosh-dang pictorial & audio archivist the smithsonian wishes they could get their hands on...as always, many thanks.

stoneswashed77 Wrote:
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> someone asked why you change the key of the song,
> the only reason i can think of is you wanna sing
> in a different key, which is not uncommen for a
> live show. A is lower than B.
> if he plays with the sunburst tele or one of the
> black guard butterscotch teles i think is not a
> huge difference. the sunburst one maybe sounds a
> little treblier and cleaner, but you wouldn´t
> notice a huge difference especially live.
>
> it ´s possible to be an expert about art and talk
> about picasso, van gogh, whoever and even say
> negative things without being a painter yourself
> or being able to do better.
>
> so you can be a music expert without being able to
> play any instrument. maybe it helps to play one,
> but you don´t have to.

normally all you need is sanity and reason! But being
(fan)atic it seems out of order for some of us.

(yeah, 3,2,1....)

all of this.
the playing of the R.S and Keith is not a question of playing the notes exactly...

It´S a feeling. feeling. feeling---------------

STONESFAN77

deuce Wrote:
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> I think the biggest head-scractcher is why the
> hell there should be ANY confusion on how to play
> Satisfaction at this point in their career
>
> Watch Ron and Keith's interaction from 0:33 to
> 0:50. Keith is clearly confused. It pains me to
> see him standing like there looking totally lost.
>
>
>




I wasn't sure that this one wasn't down to the B stage sound and monitor gremlins.
Any monitor failures or sound problems on the B stage can result in a totally confusing sound for the band. Folks have often forgotten that when commenting on B Stage hiccups that are often down to this issue.
Hell, playing on stages the size the Stones use causes all kinds of timing and foldback issues if everything isn't set up just right.
It's always had the effect throwing Keith off if anything goes wrong because of his tendency to wing it in his own world. If the onstage sound isn't right, how the @#$%& is the rest of the band going to follow the old bastard when he digs his heels in ;^)

I'm not making claims that X Y or Z is the reason for A B or C onstage problem...just stating a fact about what does often go wrong and the effect it often has.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2007-06-21 15:51 by Spud.

canadian.sway Wrote:
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> i cant lie
> it is charlie that makes the mistake by coming in
> half a measure too soon. keith and ronnie seem to
> just try and balance it out to fix it up.
> once keith comes in though, the song rolls on like
> any other recent performance of happy. if
> anything, ronnies weird slide solo is the downer
> of the tune.

Listen to Keith's opening riffs BEFORE Charlie comes in. They only barely resemble the opening of Happy we used to know - insecure, no correct timing. Now imagine you were Charlie...as a drummer, he has a clear idea how the opening guitar riffs should be played and at what point he has to come in with his drums. Now when the guitar is played a little ....eeeh, different, it also bears the risk that it throws the drummer "off". Everybody who's playing in a band should know what I mean. Of course, Charlie came in a measure to soon. But he was clearly thrown off by Keith's unusual timing beforehand.

"Unusual" timing is hardly a new developement where KR is concerned ;^)

How many times has Keith accidentally or deliberately turned the beat around on Charlie ?
Sometimes it sounds brilliant, sometimes they they justt get away with it...and sometimes it's egg on faces !
The issue at the moment is that EVERYTHING all of a sudden has to be because there's an additional "something wrong" with Keith.

Spud Wrote:
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> "Unusual" timing is hardly a new developement
> where KR is concerned ;^)


Did I say that it is a "new development"?


> The issue at the moment is that EVERYTHING all of
> a sudden has to be because there's an additional
> "something wrong" with Keith.


Well, it's not like this whole "something wrong" talk is based on this Happy version alone! In the past, nobody really cared about one or two f**kups here and there; indeed, those *occasional* f**kups were generally regarded as quite funny, but when they appear too often, people tend not to take a sub-par playing all to lighthearted.

Then again, as reports from Paris and Lyon indicate that Keith is working himself out of the hole, I don't see the reason for continuing this discussion right now. Only the future will tell us if everything is ok on a permanent basis or if one or two good gigs are followed by one or two bad gigs.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2007-06-21 20:32 by retired_dog.

The sad truth is that there's been a lot of falling off (at least based on these videos) in Keith's playing ability. I don't think he was trying the song a new way/turning the beat around/etc. on purpose. Hard to believe that just a year ago, he was fairly crisp on most stuff (intro to BS not included).

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