Rap to me is for people who cannot sing.

I have to admit I can empty a room, but still you would not find me chanting that carp never mind listening to it.

Amen!

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> How about rap = harmful? (Which it is)

To idiots, sure. Tell me, did listening to The Stones turn you into an alcoholic junkie workout freak with a thing for underage girls and bondage?

Nikolai Wrote:
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> aslecs Wrote:
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> > How about rap = harmful? (Which it is)
>
> To idiots, sure. Same as Marilyn Manson is responsible for Columbine. Same as Ozzy turned people into suicidal satanists. Tell me, did listening to The
> Stones turn you into an alcoholic junkie workout
> freak with a thing for underage girls and bondage?

Nikolai Wrote:
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> Nikolai Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
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> > aslecs Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
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> > -----
> > > How about rap = harmful? (Which it is)
> >
> > To idiots, sure. Same as Marilyn Manson is
> responsible for Columbine. Same as Ozzy turned
> people into suicidal satanists. Tell me, did
> listening to The
> > Stones turn you into an alcoholic junkie
> workout
> > freak with a thing for underage girls and
> bondage?

90% of rap consumers are white, suburban American kids. Fact. The people least likely to buy rap are black, inner city American kids. Rap is harmful, you say? How? Giving Justin Timberlake a career? I'll agree. US inner city problems? Get the f-outta here! They were dreadful when Motown was the most popular black American sound. When heroin decimated the black Ameriocan inner cities in the 70s, what was the most popular black music genre? Disco.



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Yes, the Stones do cause me to drink too much. I gave up the drugs.

and yes, rap causes many problems.

Thanks for asking.

Me, I took my first fix with H after crushing on the Stones.

shootings. killing. pick up a paper.

Rap and the culture surrounding it paints a negative picture of blacks since it portrays the men as gangsters out to get money, drugs and girls, and girls as sluts. This is bad for everyone. It makes non-blacks more likely to be afraid and keep their distance from blacks if they think they are like that, regardless if they like the music or not. For black kids growing up, especially in the inner city, start to think the only way out of poverty is to become gangsters or sluts, which perpetrates the stereotype and often ruins their lives and the lives of their families or neighborhoods. I took a class last year that discussed this and we read a book showing this happening in multiple areas. It is a really sad situation because it keeps getting worse and worse.
Of course there are exceptions, but I'm talking about in general.

It brings with itself bad influence, no doubt.
But as with most musical movements, it was better in the early days.

Cool about the "H"!

No H. Bad joke. Dont try this at home.

One time can't hurt. Might make one forget "rap" even exists!

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> shootings. killing. pick up a paper.


Right, and ur, none of that was happening before the advent of gangsta rap, no?

How about this, Mr Fox News: the LA Crips (as an example) started in the late sixties. By the mid-seventies they were well on their way to becoming the out of control menace they are today.

New York, between 1975 to when Giuliani recruited Bill Bratton as the head of the NYPD and brought in zero tolerance was a crime-infested sewer with gangs virtually running Harlem and the Bronx.

Films of the era included The Warriors (1979), which painted a cartoonish version of what was going on. In short, gangs were running neighbourhoods like feudal kingdoms. The police were powerless because they were either underfunded and under-equipped or corrupt.

Popular black music of the time: disco.

Yup, Donna Summer was the Fiddy Cent of her day. I Feel Love, when played backwards, contained a subliminal message exhorting black teenagers to kill each other. Damn, I even think Saturday Night Fever (the album) must have contained advice to young black teebns on how to make freebase (then largely the preserve of millionaires like Ron Wood and Richard Pryor) accessible to the masses by cutting coke with bicarbonate of soda.

You know, if you don't like rap, fine. Your taste, your entitlement. But blaming rap for the latest drive-by is like blaming Wagner for Nazism.



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What does "Mr. Fox News" mean?

rap still is wack

Nikolai Wrote:
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> You know, if you don't like rap, fine. Your
> taste, your entitlement. But blaming rap for the
> latest drive-by is like blaming Wagner for Nazism.

Which aint too far-fetched ...

In my above post I don't mean that rap is the only cause of negative steroetypes and violence, but it definitely is one cause.



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exactly

aslecs Wrote:
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> What does "Mr. Fox News" mean?
>
> rap still is wack


"Wack" is a rap word for crap. See, its influence reaches into the farthest, darkest corners. Bet you greet your "homies" with a "Yo!" Bush greets Blair that way, don't you know?

Mr Fox News - a person with a slanted, narrow-minded point of view. The sort of person who blames MUSIC for shootings and killings.

Older people always blames music or film for such.
Cant be nothing wrong with what they created for the young ones.

cali stones fan Wrote:
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> In my above post I don't mean that rap is the only
> cause of negative steroetypes and violence, but it
> definitely is one cause.


I'm with you with the stereotypes - read my ever single post about the statre of current hip hop (which is actually what the genre is called; rap is merely what MCs do) - but how exactly does music "cause" violence? Where did Marilyn Manson "tell" a bunch of disturbed teenage idiots to go and kill their school mates in Columbine?
Where did Ozzy Osborne or Judas Priest tell a bunch of distubed teenagers to blow their brains out? Take enough drugs and play your records backwards and you could read deep malevolent meaning into Barry Manilow or Barbara Streisand.

Some of the most violent music to come out of Britain was punk. Anarchy In The UK, White Riot ... were there riots when those records hit the charts? No. What were UK rioters listening to in 1981? The Specials, The Jam, Madness, Adam & THe Ants, reggae and disco.

The argument that "music" causes anything other than dancing, wallowing, sex and singing simply does not hold water.

Next topic: violence on tv/the cinema.



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ahh, nikolai reveals his true colors.

my opinion (like Keith's) is my opinion. Interesting that since YOU do not like my opinion you call me names. (Again, nice tolerance - but then that is typical of your kind)

Nikolai Wrote:
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> cali stones fan Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
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> > In my above post I don't mean that rap is the
> only
> > cause of negative steroetypes and violence, but
> it
> > definitely is one cause.
>
>
> I'm with you with the stereotypes - read my ever
> single post about the statre of current hip hop
> (which is actually what the genre is called; rap
> is merely what MCs do) - but how exactly does
> music "cause" violence? Where did Marilyn Manson
> "tell" a bunch of disturbed teenage idiots to go
> and kill their school mates in Columbine?
> Where did Ozzy Osborne or Judas Priest tell a
> bunch of distubed teenagers to blow their brains
> out? Take enough drugs and play your records
> backwards and you could read deep malevolent
> meaning into Barry Manilow or Barbara Streisand.


I'm not saying the words of the music necessarily tell people the stereotypes that black people are gangsters but the whole culture surrounding the music is where many people get their ideas of how black people act or should act since it is all over the media and there is very little coverage of other types of black people, except sports stars. For black children who want to get out of the inner city the only way out shown in the media is to either become a sports star, which only a few can succeed at due to talent and opportunities, or become a gangster, which leads to a very destructive lifestyle.

aslecs Wrote:
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> ahh, nikolai reveals his true colors.
>
> my opinion (like Keith's) is my opinion.
> Interesting that since YOU do not like my opinion
> you call me names. (Again, nice tolerance - but
> then that is typical of your kind)


Yo Aslecs!

Chill bro'!

You said that rap causes "shootings. killing." and told me to "pick up a paper."

Yeah? Which one? The New York Times, the La Times, the Miami Herald, the Washington Post? Show me a single article in a mainstream US daily paper explicitly linking hip-hop MUSIC with a drive-by shooting or a drug deal. I've never read such a thing. And I read all of the above. We're talking cause (hip hop) and effect (killing. Proof, go.

One Love, mates.

cali stones fan Wrote:
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> Nikolai Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
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> > cali stones fan Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > In my above post I don't mean that rap is the
> > only
> > > cause of negative steroetypes and violence,
> but
> > it
> > > definitely is one cause.
> >
> >
> > I'm with you with the stereotypes - read my
> ever
> > single post about the statre of current hip hop
> > (which is actually what the genre is called;
> rap
> > is merely what MCs do) - but how exactly does
> > music "cause" violence? Where did Marilyn
> Manson
> > "tell" a bunch of disturbed teenage idiots to
> go
> > and kill their school mates in Columbine?
> > Where did Ozzy Osborne or Judas Priest tell a
> > bunch of distubed teenagers to blow their
> brains
> > out? Take enough drugs and play your records
> > backwards and you could read deep malevolent
> > meaning into Barry Manilow or Barbara
> Streisand.
>
>
> I'm not saying the words of the music necessarily
> tell people the stereotypes that black people are
> gangsters but the whole culture surrounding the
> music is where many people get their ideas of how
> black people act or should act since it is all
> over the media and there is very little coverage
> of other types of black people, except sports
> stars. For black children who want to get out of
> the inner city the only way out shown in the media
> is to either become a sports star, which only a
> few can succeed at due to talent and
> opportunities, or become a gangster, which leads
> to a very destructive lifestyle.


Well, believe it or not, it's not just black kids in your country. I read an interview with Rod Stewart years ago where he said that the only way out of poverty in the UK was football, music or crime. Same s.hit, different day.

I don't think conditions are any easuer for poor white or Hispanic kids in the US. Same trifecta. Things are so mono-racial in the US though that it's easy to forget that it's not just blacks who are at the end of the social ladder. There's a growing disparity between rich and poor in the US and it's just set to grow even wider.

And this gets back to what I've been saying about hip hop every time I get into a discussion about the music. It's turned into a minstrel show which only throws up negative images - P Diddy, Fiddy No Brains, Lil Jon, Lil Jonson, Lil Brain, Flavor Flav et al. It's guns, chains, crack, and bitches. Mainstream America doesn't see a Barack Obama, a Colin Powell, a Condoleeza Rice, an Oprah - people who have achieved some of the highest offices in the land (irrespective of what you think of their politics or of them) through their own meriot and hard work. No, mainstream America sees Cam'Ron on O'Reilly saying he wouldn't report a serial killer living next door to him because that's "snitching" (talk about ignorance!) or Busta Rhymes refusing to tell the police who killed the bodyguard he was standing right next to. They see an ex-drug-dealer called Fiddy who's been shot nine times and brags about it, an ex-drug-dealer called The Game who's been shot eleven times and brags about it. And then they turn around, read about the latest drive by and blame it on "hip hop". An attitude like Aslecs' doesn't surprise me.

Just to clarify:

Disco sucks
Rap swallows

"No Anchovies, Please"

I second Elmos Comments! It a makes me ill in fact. MEZ

MEZ, whar ya been? God to here from you? Braves - Red Sox in Fenway this weekend. You going?

Why don't you come on down to Atlanta on June 19 and join Lukester and I for the same two teams?

Elmo Lewis Wrote:
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> Just to clarify:
>
> Disco sucks
> Rap swallows

And "Miss You" (with 4/4 "disco" beat and proto-rap middle section) was US No 1 for how long, and helped "Some Girls" become the biggest-selling Stones album of all time, without which IORR might not have been going ...

Ah, nevermind.