RollingStonesFan Wrote:
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> It's definitely not the Stones-management but the
> insurances, which are more and more averse to take
> such events with footings. Someone from
> Schleyerhalle Stuttgart told me last year that it
> won't take more than a few years that in Germany
> won't be shows with footings anymore....it's not
> the Stones, it's the insurances and organizers!


if the Stones played at Wembley Stadium it would be all seated. other bands are playing their with general admission standing on the pitch

therefore. it is the ARTISTS choice

its all about money. no point trying to hide it

thats all that counts

Hey - there are so many unknown and real good bands in every town - just go and see them!You don't have to sit down and save a lot of money!If you want to see the Stones check out the hot stuff from 63 - 82!

TooTough, get my point...

I said i don't prefer seats. But i think the energy level of a gig basically depends on crowd's mood. This factor makes the diference between a rock concert and opera. In Buenos Aires even a seated show would be 10 times wilder than any gig, in any field of North Europe.

I'm wondering if they actually want to loose capacity. Remember that no show in Germany was sold out last year (maybe Stuttgart was, don't know) and they maybe don't want to have badly filled looking stadiums. There is no venue around Frankfurt with a capacity of 30000-35000 so they had to take Commerzbank-Arena. Same applies for Hamburg, and Düsseldorf is close to Cologne where they already played last year (and didn't sell out).
The ticket prices are not the reason i think cause the additional money they charge for the seating wouldn't compensate the loss of capacity (if they could sell out the venues).

Baby boomers can't stand for 2 hours and they're the core market...



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2007-03-23 19:38 by micwer.

I've seen many Stones shows from the field / 'pitch' here in the US (which is prob. the fattest / laziest country in the world) and the crowd stands for the Stones. Always. If folks are unable to stand for 2 hours, they should seek out seats in the stands, or the wheelchair section. If anyone complains / tells you to sit down, they need to be reminded that they are seeing the greatest Rock & Roll band in the world, and they gotta shake their booty.

goinhome wrote:

"If anyone complains / tells you to sit down, they need to be reminded that they are seeing the greatest Rock & Roll band in the world, and they gotta shake their booty."

Correct! Fortunately, i didn't need to say something like that during the few concers i have seen from a seated section. People around me knew what exactly they were seeing. Many of them were standing and dancing- just like me...

RollingStonesFan Wrote:
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> It's definitely not the Stones-management but the
> insurances, which are more and more averse to take
> such events with footings. Someone from
> Schleyerhalle Stuttgart told me last year that it
> won't take more than a few years that in Germany
> won't be shows with footings anymore....it's not
> the Stones, it's the insurances and organizers!


Rubbish, once again, the Chilis and The police are
playing the same venue in Hamburg to general admission
standing.

The seating is only to attract other fans who wouldn´t
go if it was a standing pitch. That means you will be
front of stage not with the ones who are there early to see the Stones,
you will be there with 80% of the people wanting to sit
and e n j o y the e v e n t. That´s a totally different approach.

"Darling, the song is over, clap your hands!"

stickydion Wrote:
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> TooTough, get my point...
>
> I said i don't prefer seats. But i think the
> energy level of a gig basically depends on crowd's
> mood. This factor makes the diference between a
> rock concert and opera. In Buenos Aires even a
> seated show would be 10 times wilder than any gig,
> in any field of North Europe.


Sticky, the crowd´s mood depends on the approach it has.
If you play to a 60.000 stadium, where 20,000 on the pitch waited for
hours to get in to get the best spot (standing)- you will play to devoted
fans ith anticipation built up for months and weeks and days and hours.


I´ve been to different seated shows in the US (Stones) and to one in
Germany (McCartney) and I must say that it was disappointing for me.
You can easily feel the different anticipation when there is no one there
half an hour before the show starts. People coming during the intro or
even after it started will be the worst thing for you when you are ON.
"Excuse me, thank you." 10 times, 20 times. People going out and coming
back and so on.

It´´s definitely not the surrounding I want for a R&R show, let alone a
Stones show.

I fully agree on all those who refuse to visit the Stones while seating. I won't buy tickets to sit down. Never!

The idea of sitting down and listen to the greatest rock and roll band in the world? Well, I hope they turn the guitars down and don't play too fast numbers that one might get into the groove or something.

Enjoy your great seats and your mighty Las Vegas act. I hope they don't play too loud, so the grand-grandmamas and grand--grandchildren will also feel the excitment. Oh yeah.

Seriously, it really surprises that how quickly and easily most of the people seem to accept all these 'las vegas' kind of things to happen - all seats, etc. Supposedly I am not a Rolling Stones fan anymore because I seem to doubt this progression. 'Nay-sayer' I am.

I think I miss Sex Pistols or something... Now, where is my Brussells Affair...

- Doxa

slane uk is standing

Life's just a cocktail party on the street

IN TWICKENHAM LAST YEAR EVERYBODY WAS STANDING...

Slane isnt in the UK and its a mixture of standing and seated

RollingStonesFan Wrote:
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> It's definitely not the Stones-management but the
> insurances, which are more and more averse to take
> such events with footings. Someone from
> Schleyerhalle Stuttgart told me last year that it
> won't take more than a few years that in Germany
> won't be shows with footings anymore....it's not
> the Stones, it's the insurances and organizers!


Thats nonsense. Every arena and stadium show the Stones have played in the UK on the last two tours have been all seated (apart from Glasgow 2003) yet EVERY single one of those venues allows standing and has staged several shows with general admission.

Its the Stones decision alone to do this in order to charge higher prices and to maximise profits. Nothing else.

Has any show with floor seating meant that everyone sits down during the show???
I don't think so.

Just saw that the Stones fetch € 189,90 (!) for
seating pitch B2 (Hamburg). Normally the place to be for
the FOS or arena people, standing of course.

"You act so greedy, make me sick, sick, sick."

Gazza is so right.
When insurance kicks in they will even have seats at Roskilde where that terrible accident happend. And that will never take place (till we are 60+ and need them).

This is money, BUT, but, BUT:
Just to give the Euro seated a bit of support (but God I hate it).
Take it for what they are giving us compeared to the US and a bit to the UK.
We actually get access to every seat on the first rows (looked like that on the map). You don't want to know how many seats they give to us in the US.
If we are angry, have a look over at shidoobee just after the US ticket sale started last time. You are lucky to get a 450 US at row 15.
My worst example, and it is of course not a good one when it comes to the event but: Opening night Boston back in 2005. Got 2nd row, Ronnie. 1st row wasn't busy until middle of 3rd song. This couple arrives, stands there pointing, kissing for 2-3 songs, then leave. 3 songs later the whole (well almost) row is empty.
We sent smoke signals to security if we could upgrade ourself, and fine.
We will not see this in Europe for a long time.

TE
Oslo



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2007-03-24 00:10 by TE.

JumpingKentFlash Wrote:
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> Just stand up anyhow man. If someone tells you to
> sit down, then just clog 'em one.

Everybody stand's everywhere i've been in the seated venues how could you sit at a Stones Gig?

firebird Wrote:
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> I'm wondering if they actually want to loose
> capacity. Remember that no show in Germany was
> sold out last year (maybe Stuttgart was, don't
> know) and they maybe don't want to have badly
> filled looking stadiums. There is no venue around
> Frankfurt with a capacity of 30000-35000 so they
> had to take Commerzbank-Arena. Same applies for
> Hamburg, and Düsseldorf is close to Cologne where
> they already played last year (and didn't sell
> out).
> The ticket prices are not the reason i think cause
> the additional money they charge for the seating
> wouldn't compensate the loss of capacity (if they
> could sell out the venues).

Colongne was totally sold out. i know people that barely got in some people did'nt,Where did you get this wrong info firebird?

stonesfrk Wrote:
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> firebird Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I'm wondering if they actually want to loose
> > capacity. Remember that no show in Germany was
> > sold out last year (maybe Stuttgart was, don't
> > know) and they maybe don't want to have badly
> > filled looking stadiums. There is no venue
> around
> > Frankfurt with a capacity of 30000-35000 so
> they
> > had to take Commerzbank-Arena. Same applies for
> > Hamburg, and Düsseldorf is close to Cologne
> where
> > they already played last year (and didn't sell
> > out).
> > The ticket prices are not the reason i think
> cause
> > the additional money they charge for the
> seating
> > wouldn't compensate the loss of capacity (if
> they
> > could sell out the venues).
>
> Colongne was totally sold out. i know people that
> barely got in some people did'nt,Where did you get
> this wrong info firebird?

I was there. A lot of free space at the grandstands and the infield was far from being packed.

firebird Wrote:
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> I'm wondering if they actually want to loose
> capacity.

having seats always means a reduction in capacity. However, they try and balance that up against being able to sell the seats for maybe double what they would have charged for standing

It is ABSOLUTELY the only reason for it. Why else would they choose to have all seated stadiums in places like the US, Japan, UK, Australia, Germany and Scandinavia but NOT have it in places like South America, Eastern Europe and other less wealthy markets?



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2007-03-24 00:23 by Gazza.

Gazza Wrote:
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> firebird Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I'm wondering if they actually want to loose
> > capacity.
>
> having seats always means a reduction in capacity.
> However, they try and balance that up against
> being able to sell the seats for maybe double what
> they would have charged for standing
>
> It is ABSOLUTELY the only reason for it. Why else
> would they choose to have all seated stadiums in
> places like the US, Japan, UK, Australia, Germany
> and Scandinavia but NOT have it in places like
> South America, Eastern Europe and other less
> wealthy markets?

Most probably you are right Gazza. I just liked the idea better that its because the venues are too big, that would leave at least a little Rock'n'Roll.

I know it's no more Rock'n'Roll and i don't like it!

Doxa Wrote:
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> The idea of sitting down and listen to the
> greatest rock and roll band in the world? Well, I
> hope they turn the guitars down and don't play too
> fast numbers that one might get into the groove or
> something.
>
> Enjoy your great seats and your mighty Las Vegas
> act. I hope they don't play too loud, so the
> grand-grandmamas and grand--grandchildren will
> also feel the excitment. Oh yeah.
>
> Seriously, it really surprises that how quickly
> and easily most of the people seem to accept all
> these 'las vegas' kind of things to happen - all
> seats, etc. Supposedly I am not a Rolling Stones
> fan anymore because I seem to doubt this
> progression. 'Nay-sayer' I am.
>
> I think I miss Sex Pistols or something... Now,
> where is my Brussells Affair...
>
> - Doxa


Don't worry Doxa Those Tone Master's and Twin's will be on 10 volume no worry's,sound's like your still bumming after some bad acid from the 70's.

firebird Wrote:
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> stonesfrk Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > firebird Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > I'm wondering if they actually want to loose
> > > capacity. Remember that no show in Germany
> was
> > > sold out last year (maybe Stuttgart was,
> don't
> > > know) and they maybe don't want to have badly
> > > filled looking stadiums. There is no venue
> > around
> > > Frankfurt with a capacity of 30000-35000 so
> > they
> > > had to take Commerzbank-Arena. Same applies
> for
> > > Hamburg, and Düsseldorf is close to Cologne
> > where
> > > they already played last year (and didn't
> sell
> > > out).
> > > The ticket prices are not the reason i think
> > cause
> > > the additional money they charge for the
> > seating
> > > wouldn't compensate the loss of capacity (if
> > they
> > > could sell out the venues).
> >
> > Colongne was totally sold out. i know people
> that
> > barely got in some people did'nt,Where did you
> get
> > this wrong info firebird?
>
> I was there. A lot of free space at the
> grandstands and the infield was far from being
> packed.

Well i was there when the box office said there were no more seat's and some people did not get in and that was the tuffest show to get a ticket i got lucky walked around for 5 hrs before i got an Fos at 150 Euro which was 40 more then face i believe.

Let`s see what happens. Nobody knows.

This is the FIRST time in Germany seating floor.

I think me and other can NOT seat 2 hours - front of stage.

Grüsse

Gerhard

firebird Wrote:
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> Gazza Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > firebird Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > I'm wondering if they actually want to loose
> > > capacity.
> >
> > having seats always means a reduction in
> capacity.
> > However, they try and balance that up against
> > being able to sell the seats for maybe double
> what
> > they would have charged for standing
> >
> > It is ABSOLUTELY the only reason for it. Why
> else
> > would they choose to have all seated stadiums
> in
> > places like the US, Japan, UK, Australia,
> Germany
> > and Scandinavia but NOT have it in places like
> > South America, Eastern Europe and other less
> > wealthy markets?
>
> Most probably you are right Gazza. I just liked
> the idea better that its because the venues are
> too big, that would leave at least a little
> Rock'n'Roll.
>
> I know it's no more Rock'n'Roll and i don't like
> it!


Yep..another factor is that Stones audiences are becoming a) older and b) (generally) wealthier. The two go hand in hand.

Older audiences are more inclined to want to sit, so Cohl and the Stones are aware that enough of them will be Ok financially with the option of seating. Its no coincidence that Stones audiences in countries like the US tend to be older than in places where the crowd are there with (cheaper) GA tickets

forever young - no need to seat ....

***IORR But I like It ........

It looks to me that on this (european) tour it is okay to play for 95% 'older'fans,
who have to sit and thus pay a higher ticket price. But for things which their fans might enjoy even more (instead of fireworks, warhorses, inflatable dolls, on stage boxes) like playing in the Beacon, or other clubs, than it looks that their loyal fans aren't so important anymore,than it is better to invite some models and vips so that on video it will look that they have a youngster appeal. (I don't blame Charlie and Ron for all this)

It doesn't have to be this way at all it is simply a choice. This week I watched the performances of The Who at the Roundhouse 2006 again, great crowd and mixed like in the real world, young, old, bold,ugly, beautiful, all having a great time with the band, and all was televised. The same goes for Bruce Springsteen, Paul Weller, and more.