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ya-ya's flash
Posted by:
forligan
()
Date: March 8, 2007 02:34
Does anyone know Keith's setup on the intro of YAYA's? I'm pretty sure he's playing a les paul, but was he using an Ampeg for that? stomp box? It is a hard sound to duplicate, I've got it close on my 52 tele and deville amp, but something still missing?
Re: ya-ya's flash
Posted by:
ChrisM
()
Date: March 8, 2007 19:11
You mean JJF? He uses the 3PU Les Paul Custom through an Ampeg SVT for that number. It sounds like the middle pickup is on and as far as I know he did not use a stomp box or any other effects. He just plugged straight in and turned it up!
Re: ya-ya's flash
Posted by:
stone-relics
()
Date: March 8, 2007 21:00
Actually, Keith, I beleive is playing through at least 2 V4 Ampegs, not SVTs. Those are base amps...Wyman had the SVT. Nice to see Darryl with those on the last tour...greatly improved the bottom end.
JR
JR
Re: ya-ya's flash
Posted by:
Mathijs
()
Date: March 8, 2007 21:12
stone-relics Wrote:
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> Actually, Keith, I beleive is playing through at
> least 2 V4 Ampegs, not SVTs. Those are base
> amps...Wyman had the SVT. Nice to see Darryl with
> those on the last tour...greatly improved the
> bottom end.
>
> JR
All amps the Stones used in 1969 were Ampeg SVT's, the 350 watt bass version. In fact, a SVT guitar version never existed -that's the 300 watt V9, which basically is a SVT with a different pre-amp section. The cabinets in 1969 were the 8*10", and the microphone was a simply Shure Unidyne II, very remeniscent of the Shure SM57.
On a three pickup custom you can not choose the middle pickup alone, and to my ears Keith plays both the bridge and middle pickup.
Mathijs
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> Actually, Keith, I beleive is playing through at
> least 2 V4 Ampegs, not SVTs. Those are base
> amps...Wyman had the SVT. Nice to see Darryl with
> those on the last tour...greatly improved the
> bottom end.
>
> JR
All amps the Stones used in 1969 were Ampeg SVT's, the 350 watt bass version. In fact, a SVT guitar version never existed -that's the 300 watt V9, which basically is a SVT with a different pre-amp section. The cabinets in 1969 were the 8*10", and the microphone was a simply Shure Unidyne II, very remeniscent of the Shure SM57.
On a three pickup custom you can not choose the middle pickup alone, and to my ears Keith plays both the bridge and middle pickup.
Mathijs
Re: ya-ya's flash
Posted by:
Britney
()
Date: March 8, 2007 21:16
Can anybody hear what the size of the plectrum and the string gauge on that intro is?
Re: ya-ya's flash
Posted by:
His Majesty
()
Date: March 8, 2007 21:23
In a few photos for this era it looks as if only one head per player is being used.
The others that are there don't have any leads running in to them, at least from the front.
The others that are there don't have any leads running in to them, at least from the front.
Re: ya-ya's flash
Posted by:
JaggerFan
()
Date: March 8, 2007 21:32
Either way, the studio version is the best.
Re: ya-ya's flash
Posted by:
stone-relics
()
Date: March 8, 2007 21:53
I stand corrected. He DID use an SVT...see specs for all below...Wish you could buy them that cheap now....
JR
JR
Re: ya-ya's flash
Posted by:
stone-relics
()
Date: March 8, 2007 22:14
Worthwile thread...just pulled my alternate ya yas tape, and blasting it! What a tour....I think the best...
JR
JR
Re: ya-ya's flash
Posted by:
ChrisM
()
Date: March 8, 2007 22:20
Mathijs Wrote:
> On a three pickup custom you can not choose the
> middle pickup alone, and to my ears Keith plays
> both the bridge and middle pickup.
>
> Mathijs
Right you are. I forgot that the middle postion of PU selector switch selects both the bridge and middle PUs. There was a custom version made in 1957 called the Mickey Barker model which allowed for more PU combinations.
JR, that'sa cool spec sheet you got there! Where did you come across it?
> On a three pickup custom you can not choose the
> middle pickup alone, and to my ears Keith plays
> both the bridge and middle pickup.
>
> Mathijs
Right you are. I forgot that the middle postion of PU selector switch selects both the bridge and middle PUs. There was a custom version made in 1957 called the Mickey Barker model which allowed for more PU combinations.
JR, that'sa cool spec sheet you got there! Where did you come across it?
Re: ya-ya's flash
Posted by:
Mathijs
()
Date: March 8, 2007 22:23
stone-relics Wrote:
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> I stand corrected. He DID use an SVT...see specs
> for all below...Wish you could buy them that cheap
> now....
>
> [i51.photobucket.com]
> s/Ampegspecs.jpg
>
> JR
Isn't this for the 1972 tour? They changed from 8*10 in '69 to 4*12 in '72.
Mathijs
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> I stand corrected. He DID use an SVT...see specs
> for all below...Wish you could buy them that cheap
> now....
>
> [i51.photobucket.com]
> s/Ampegspecs.jpg
>
> JR
Isn't this for the 1972 tour? They changed from 8*10 in '69 to 4*12 in '72.
Mathijs
Re: ya-ya's flash
Posted by:
Mathijs
()
Date: March 8, 2007 22:26
Britney Wrote:
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> Can anybody hear what the size of the plectrum and
> the string gauge on that intro is?
With a very serious face: you can actually hear keith and taylor both use thin to medium plectra, and not thick. They both don't have that distinct "pop"in their sound.
About the strings: there were just two different sets available back then: regular (010) or light (009). I am quite positive that taylor used lights (the bends are very wide, the tone is trebly), and I bet keith used regulars.
Mathijs
-------------------------------------------------------
> Can anybody hear what the size of the plectrum and
> the string gauge on that intro is?
With a very serious face: you can actually hear keith and taylor both use thin to medium plectra, and not thick. They both don't have that distinct "pop"in their sound.
About the strings: there were just two different sets available back then: regular (010) or light (009). I am quite positive that taylor used lights (the bends are very wide, the tone is trebly), and I bet keith used regulars.
Mathijs
Re: ya-ya's flash
Posted by:
stone-relics
()
Date: March 8, 2007 23:17
Yeah, 72 specs....I figured they were the same. A actually havent seen the specs for 1969..source: Dell mag, Mick Jagger and His Tour...
JR
JR
Re: ya-ya's flash
Posted by:
ChrisM
()
Date: March 8, 2007 23:18
stone-relics Wrote:
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> Worthwile thread...just pulled my alternate ya yas
> tape, and blasting it! What a tour....I think the
> best...
>
> JR
Can't argue with you there JR.
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> Worthwile thread...just pulled my alternate ya yas
> tape, and blasting it! What a tour....I think the
> best...
>
> JR
Can't argue with you there JR.
Re: ya-ya's flash
Posted by:
liddas
()
Date: March 9, 2007 11:52
This is what I found on "Ampeg, the story behind the sound" by Hopkins and
More
During the summer of 69 Stu sent a letter to Rich Mandella of Ampeg asking what was available in view of the upcoming usa tour.
Mandella received the letter when the stones were alreadin in the US, rehearsing at Stephen Stills place in LA some time before the Forum opening.
Apparently the organisation was in deep shit: the MArshalls and Hiwatts that were shipped from the UK were not equipped to work at 110 v.
Mandella loaded a truk with the then prototypes of the SVT heads plus some god old 4x12 ST-42 for bass and guitar and rushed to LA
By the tiem he arrived there the stones had just moved to the warner bros. hangar for the final rehearses.
Of course MAndella was very welcomed: the stones were the first to use the SVTs, designed to amplify bass, with guitars: "So all of a sudden I've got the Stones playing the guitar harder than anybody has ever played the guitar" says Mandella.
"especially Keith!".
Things were not that easy, though. The heads had not been tested before and after some time of supercharge started to give problems, and only 5 were available!!!
The practical solution adopted was to just to rotate the available heads as soon as one appeared to be over heated.
Mandella ended up to be enrolled with the stones as ampè tech for teh rest of the tour. This gave him the possibility to test and perfection his heads literally on the road, with the stones being the "testers" and endorses at the same time!
C
More
During the summer of 69 Stu sent a letter to Rich Mandella of Ampeg asking what was available in view of the upcoming usa tour.
Mandella received the letter when the stones were alreadin in the US, rehearsing at Stephen Stills place in LA some time before the Forum opening.
Apparently the organisation was in deep shit: the MArshalls and Hiwatts that were shipped from the UK were not equipped to work at 110 v.
Mandella loaded a truk with the then prototypes of the SVT heads plus some god old 4x12 ST-42 for bass and guitar and rushed to LA
By the tiem he arrived there the stones had just moved to the warner bros. hangar for the final rehearses.
Of course MAndella was very welcomed: the stones were the first to use the SVTs, designed to amplify bass, with guitars: "So all of a sudden I've got the Stones playing the guitar harder than anybody has ever played the guitar" says Mandella.
"especially Keith!".
Things were not that easy, though. The heads had not been tested before and after some time of supercharge started to give problems, and only 5 were available!!!
The practical solution adopted was to just to rotate the available heads as soon as one appeared to be over heated.
Mandella ended up to be enrolled with the stones as ampè tech for teh rest of the tour. This gave him the possibility to test and perfection his heads literally on the road, with the stones being the "testers" and endorses at the same time!
C
Re: ya-ya's flash
Posted by:
Luke33
()
Date: March 9, 2007 12:40
Mathijs Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Britney Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Can anybody hear what the size of the plectrum
> and
> > the string gauge on that intro is?
>
>
> With a very serious face: you can actually hear
> keith and taylor both use thin to medium plectra,
> and not thick. They both don't have that distinct
> "pop"in their sound.
>
> About the strings: there were just two different
> sets available back then: regular (010) or light
> (009). I am quite positive that taylor used lights
> (the bends are very wide, the tone is trebly), and
> I bet keith used regulars.
>
> Mathijs
That is extraordinary....either you know your stuff or you are having us on!
I'll take it you know your stuff very well.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Britney Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Can anybody hear what the size of the plectrum
> and
> > the string gauge on that intro is?
>
>
> With a very serious face: you can actually hear
> keith and taylor both use thin to medium plectra,
> and not thick. They both don't have that distinct
> "pop"in their sound.
>
> About the strings: there were just two different
> sets available back then: regular (010) or light
> (009). I am quite positive that taylor used lights
> (the bends are very wide, the tone is trebly), and
> I bet keith used regulars.
>
> Mathijs
That is extraordinary....either you know your stuff or you are having us on!
I'll take it you know your stuff very well.
Re: ya-ya's flash
Posted by:
stone-relics
()
Date: March 9, 2007 14:13
Thanks for the tour ingo, Liddas! What book or mag is that from?
JR
JR
Re: ya-ya's flash
Posted by:
stone-relics
()
Date: March 9, 2007 14:13
Thanks for the tour info, Liddas! What book or mag is that from?
JR
JR
Re: ya-ya's flash
Posted by:
liddas
()
Date: March 9, 2007 14:18
stone-relics Wrote:
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> Thanks for the tour info, Liddas! What book or
> mag is that from?
>
> JR
Ampeg, the story behind the sound" by Hopkins and More
[www.amazon.com]
C
-------------------------------------------------------
> Thanks for the tour info, Liddas! What book or
> mag is that from?
>
> JR
Ampeg, the story behind the sound" by Hopkins and More
[www.amazon.com]
C
Re: ya-ya's flash
Posted by:
stone-relics
()
Date: March 9, 2007 14:31
Thanks! I will have to pick it up.
JR
JR
Re: ya-ya's flash
Posted by:
nanker phelge
()
Date: March 9, 2007 14:59
Can anyone hear how high Keith lifts his right hand above the fretboard before striking the first chord of JJF?!
Re: ya-ya's flash
Posted by:
stone-relics
()
Date: March 9, 2007 17:28
Can anyone hear how high Keith lifts his right hand above the fretboard before striking the first chord of JJF?!
7.73 centimeters...
JR
7.73 centimeters...
JR
Re: ya-ya's flash
Posted by:
ChrisM
()
Date: March 9, 2007 18:41
Luke33 Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Mathijs Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Britney Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Can anybody hear what the size of the
> plectrum
> > and
> > > the string gauge on that intro is?
> >
> >
> > With a very serious face: you can actually hear
> > keith and taylor both use thin to medium
> plectra,
> > and not thick. They both don't have that
> distinct
> > "pop"in their sound.
> >
> > About the strings: there were just two
> different
> > sets available back then: regular (010) or
> light
> > (009). I am quite positive that taylor used
> lights
> > (the bends are very wide, the tone is trebly),
> and
> > I bet keith used regulars.
> >
> > Mathijs
>
>
> That is extraordinary....either you know your
> stuff or you are having us on!
> I'll take it you know your stuff very well.
Well I don't think he is having you on. It just takes careful listening. Thin picks have a distinctive sound just as heavey ones do. I don't claim to hear the differnce on Ya Yas (I'll have to listen more carefully) but when I play with picks of different thickness the sound and feel are very different.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Mathijs Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Britney Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Can anybody hear what the size of the
> plectrum
> > and
> > > the string gauge on that intro is?
> >
> >
> > With a very serious face: you can actually hear
> > keith and taylor both use thin to medium
> plectra,
> > and not thick. They both don't have that
> distinct
> > "pop"in their sound.
> >
> > About the strings: there were just two
> different
> > sets available back then: regular (010) or
> light
> > (009). I am quite positive that taylor used
> lights
> > (the bends are very wide, the tone is trebly),
> and
> > I bet keith used regulars.
> >
> > Mathijs
>
>
> That is extraordinary....either you know your
> stuff or you are having us on!
> I'll take it you know your stuff very well.
Well I don't think he is having you on. It just takes careful listening. Thin picks have a distinctive sound just as heavey ones do. I don't claim to hear the differnce on Ya Yas (I'll have to listen more carefully) but when I play with picks of different thickness the sound and feel are very different.
Re: ya-ya's flash
Posted by:
His Majesty
()
Date: March 9, 2007 18:43
An ducated guess. 
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2007-03-09 18:49 by His Majesty.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2007-03-09 18:49 by His Majesty.
Re: ya-ya's flash
Posted by:
Mathijs
()
Date: March 10, 2007 15:19
His Majesty Wrote:
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> An ducated guess.
Of course you can never bee sure! But, check out Love in vain from L&G: I am positive these are thin strings and a thin pic..
By the way: I have always belived the story about Ampeg was a bit different, and it would make more sense: the HiWatt amps send to the US were stalled at US Customs, and they would simply not be in time for the opening show. That's when they called Ampeg to help out. The story about the 110 volts is a bit weird, as transformers are available in every house hold shop.
Mathijs
-------------------------------------------------------
> An ducated guess.
Of course you can never bee sure! But, check out Love in vain from L&G: I am positive these are thin strings and a thin pic..
By the way: I have always belived the story about Ampeg was a bit different, and it would make more sense: the HiWatt amps send to the US were stalled at US Customs, and they would simply not be in time for the opening show. That's when they called Ampeg to help out. The story about the 110 volts is a bit weird, as transformers are available in every house hold shop.
Mathijs
Re: ya-ya's flash
Posted by:
His Majesty
()
Date: March 10, 2007 15:32
Mathijs Wrote:
>
> Of course you can never bee sure! But, check out
> Love in vain from L&G: I am positive these are
> thin strings and a thin pic..
>
Just teasing.
> By the way: I have always belived the story about
> Ampeg was a bit different, and it would make more
> sense: the HiWatt amps send to the US were stalled
> at US Customs, and they would simply not be in
> time for the opening show. That's when they called
> Ampeg to help out. The story about the 110 volts
> is a bit weird, as transformers are available in
> every house hold shop.
>
> Mathijs
It does seem weird, it's not as if they wouldn't have known about the voltage difference beforehand.
>
> Of course you can never bee sure! But, check out
> Love in vain from L&G: I am positive these are
> thin strings and a thin pic..
>
Just teasing.
> By the way: I have always belived the story about
> Ampeg was a bit different, and it would make more
> sense: the HiWatt amps send to the US were stalled
> at US Customs, and they would simply not be in
> time for the opening show. That's when they called
> Ampeg to help out. The story about the 110 volts
> is a bit weird, as transformers are available in
> every house hold shop.
>
> Mathijs
It does seem weird, it's not as if they wouldn't have known about the voltage difference beforehand.
Re: ya-ya's flash
Posted by:
Glass Slide
()
Date: March 10, 2007 19:08
Cool thread.
Kind of amazing if you think about it--that he got tone that great and used NO effects to achieve it.
Shows a great guitar and amp can do in the hands of an excellent player.
Kind of amazing if you think about it--that he got tone that great and used NO effects to achieve it.
Shows a great guitar and amp can do in the hands of an excellent player.
Re: ya-ya's flash
Posted by:
Luke33
()
Date: March 10, 2007 19:20
ChrisM Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Luke33 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Mathijs Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Britney Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > Can anybody hear what the size of the
> > plectrum
> > > and
> > > > the string gauge on that intro is?
> > >
> > >
> > > With a very serious face: you can actually
> hear
> > > keith and taylor both use thin to medium
> > plectra,
> > > and not thick. They both don't have that
> > distinct
> > > "pop"in their sound.
> > >
> > > About the strings: there were just two
> > different
> > > sets available back then: regular (010) or
> > light
> > > (009). I am quite positive that taylor used
> > lights
> > > (the bends are very wide, the tone is
> trebly),
> > and
> > > I bet keith used regulars.
> > >
> > > Mathijs
> >
> >
> > That is extraordinary....either you know your
> > stuff or you are having us on!
> > I'll take it you know your stuff very well.
>
> Well I don't think he is having you on. It just
> takes careful listening. Thin picks have a
> distinctive sound just as heavey ones do. I don't
> claim to hear the differnce on Ya Yas (I'll have
> to listen more carefully) but when I play with
> picks of different thickness the sound and feel
> are very different.
yes Chris - if you can tel me when a thin pick is used on Ya Ya's I'll go hee...
To be honest, I think Mathisj is making a calculated guess...
-------------------------------------------------------
> Luke33 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Mathijs Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Britney Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > Can anybody hear what the size of the
> > plectrum
> > > and
> > > > the string gauge on that intro is?
> > >
> > >
> > > With a very serious face: you can actually
> hear
> > > keith and taylor both use thin to medium
> > plectra,
> > > and not thick. They both don't have that
> > distinct
> > > "pop"in their sound.
> > >
> > > About the strings: there were just two
> > different
> > > sets available back then: regular (010) or
> > light
> > > (009). I am quite positive that taylor used
> > lights
> > > (the bends are very wide, the tone is
> trebly),
> > and
> > > I bet keith used regulars.
> > >
> > > Mathijs
> >
> >
> > That is extraordinary....either you know your
> > stuff or you are having us on!
> > I'll take it you know your stuff very well.
>
> Well I don't think he is having you on. It just
> takes careful listening. Thin picks have a
> distinctive sound just as heavey ones do. I don't
> claim to hear the differnce on Ya Yas (I'll have
> to listen more carefully) but when I play with
> picks of different thickness the sound and feel
> are very different.
yes Chris - if you can tel me when a thin pick is used on Ya Ya's I'll go hee...
To be honest, I think Mathisj is making a calculated guess...
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