Glass Slide Wrote:
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> How was it determined what songs on Handsome Girls
> came from which shows? Does the cover
> specify--mine did not. I mean some are
> obvious--Just My Imagination is from Detroit and
> Honky Tonk Women sure seems like it is from
> Memphis.

Honky Tonk Women isn't from Memphis, you got the bootleg-bibles to check sources for, if you don't have the tapes/the time yourself, like the great works of Dieter Hoffmann.

Out On Bail...Street Fighting Man ends after 2 minutes or so, it's spliced in with an audience source after that.

Erik_Snow Wrote:
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>
> Honky Tonk Women isn't from Memphis, you got the
> bootleg-bibles to check sources for, if you don't
> have the tapes/the time yourself, like the great
> works of Dieter Hoffmann.
>
> Out On Bail...Street Fighting Man ends after 2
> minutes or so, it's spliced in with an audience
> source after that.


Well done Erik! Thank you.

I thought that about Honky Tonk Women was from Memphis because if you hear it through headphones you hear the crowd react to the "...in Memphis" line in a way that would make one think that it was in Memphis--pretty thin to be certain, but since I knew they recorded Memphis it seemed possible.

Oh, Ok...my versions of Passaic never had Street Fighting Man, but I am well aware of the story--always figured that the spliced in audience was from the same show.

Anyway, as a huge '78 fan---appreciate the answers.

Use Audio Hijack to record. Great program and cheap! Can also remix.

Erik_Snow Wrote:
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> Britney, have you compared with the Houston
> audience source ?
> I don't have that one.
> In one way, it sounds like a complete Detroit
> broadcast,
> but I can't believe we were wrong all along about
> these sources, I can't even find my Detroit 78
> tape...


Yes I did a quick comparison with my audience source. The real marker is the Mick Houston intro as described by Joss.

Glass Slide Wrote:
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>
>
> And, Gazza--when you say Out On Bail is from the
> Passaic show "except for a few minutes" what did
> you mean by that? Never heard that one before and
> that show sounds pretty contiguous--are there
> songs from another venue?



I didnt mention the bootleg CD, GS. What I was referring to was the existence of complete 1978 shows circulating in soundboard form - the only one that does is Fort Worth. Passaic is complete "except for a few minutes" because the last song (Street Fighting Man if I remember right) is cut - the story is that apparently the roadie who was taping it was almost caught doing so and had to eject the tape quite abruptly. versions appearing on bootleg CDs have had that song patched together with an audience source.

but the reall question is
how long will it take for us common people without any specific devices to listen to this broadcast ; but will be able to download the show on a torrent site ?

can't wait to get this one :-)
Peter

It should be on Rocks Off pretty soon, Peter. I understand its being 'worked on'..

have I missed a post? (too lazy)
But are these tracks in compressed format ?

I really have to read this thread cause its...not clear yet i think...i have those boots...i also have a lp bootleg from Detroit summer 78...and it really is from Detroit.
the name of the boot is: A bandoned in Detroit (geat pic from Jagger on front and back)
side one
AD the Line
HTW
Lies
Miss You
Side two
Far away eyes
Love in Vain
Tumbling Dice
Happy
Its A AR recording and it doesnt sound very well...but its a great incomplete boot...with a great wild crowd....now in the next week i am gonna compare those versions.....cause i cant believe...detroit is on Handsome at all!...have to fix my record player and take a listen to Tumblin Dice...intresting case this is....so now i go read the thread!

Britney Wrote:
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> Joss Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Perhaps Wolfgang's Vault have misinformed us
> about
> > the locations & it's not all from Detroit after
> > all: Have you heard Mick's banter after Sweet
> > Little 16? Sounds to me like he's shouting
> > 'Awright! Awright...Awright Houston'(with the
> > emphasis on '-ston'.
>
>
> Yep, Brown Sugar is definitely from the Houston
> show....

I dont think so!!

No if i remember well Houston isnt on ''Handsome'' at all...i have a part of the Houston show...and it is different!

rooster Wrote:
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> I really have to read this thread cause its...not
> clear yet i think...i have those boots...i also
> have a lp bootleg from Detroit summer 78...and it
> really is from Detroit.
> the name of the boot is: A bandoned in Detroit
> (geat pic from Jagger on front and back)
> side one
> AD the Line
> HTW
> Lies
> Miss You
> Side two
> Far away eyes
> Love in Vain
> Tumbling Dice
> Happy
> Its A AR recording

whats an "AR" recording? audience? broadcast? If its a broadcast, I think that LP merely consists of the songs perceived at the time of release to come from Detroit. There's absolutely no doubt that the version of HTW on disc 3 of Handsome Girls thats supposed to come from Detroit is different to this new recording

and it doesnt sound very
> well...but its a great incomplete boot...with a
> great wild crowd....now in the next week i am
> gonna compare those versions.....cause i cant
> believe...detroit is on Handsome at all!..

oh it is. Just listen to "just my imagination". Memphis, lexington, Detroit and Houston were all taped for radio broadcasts and parts of each were broadcast. There are however audience recordings of each show in variable quality as well. They'll be the most conclusive evidence.


I presume this is the cover of 'Abandoned in detroit' you mean :
[www.printmark.se]
.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2007-03-01 14:30 by Gazza.

Gazza Wrote:
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> It should be on Rocks Off pretty soon, Peter. I
> understand its being 'worked on'..



i'm so happy i'm so happy i'm so haaaaaappppyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

can't wait to get home to check out the tracker

wooohoooooooooooo
Peter
as allways RO rocks

I dont think it'll be THAT quick, Peter - but a couple of folk have figured out how to make a torrent of it.

Yes thats the one Gazza .AR Audience recording......i love all of them shows...but i have to check it out.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2007-03-01 14:49 by rooster.

Britney Wrote:
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> Yes I did a quick comparison with my audience
> source. The real marker is the Mick Houston intro
> as described by Joss.


Thanks Britney.
So that leaves us with 2 Houston tracks, or is it 3 ?

On a Lp i got five tunes from Houston....on the other side its the Kentucky show.

Britney Wrote:
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> Erik_Snow Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Britney, have you compared with the Houston
> > audience source ?
> > I don't have that one.
> > In one way, it sounds like a complete Detroit
> > broadcast,
> > but I can't believe we were wrong all along
> about
> > these sources, I can't even find my Detroit 78
> > tape...
>
>
> Yes I did a quick comparison with my audience
> source. The real marker is the Mick Houston intro
> as described by Joss.



its not unusual for KBFH to use a spoken intro or between song dialogue from a different show to the one that preceded or follows it. same with official releases too

Erik, or anyone,

What exists from the show 2 days earlier on July 4 1978 at Rich Stadium in Buffalo NY? This show I attended. Being that it was on the biggest American holiday was a huge party atmosphere I would imagine if the "hit it" on July 6th they were throwing the punch on July 4th.

There is a poor audience recording of Buffalo 78 in existence.

Is the Buffalo 78 show complete and does anyone have it?

Most of the Detroit tunes were available on "Let Them Burn Your Town" by Pignose Records (1st edition)

some songs from buffalo are on the boot..saiisfaction guaranteed

Wolfgang's Vault's "concert summary":


In the last 20 years, the Rolling Stones have done their legacy something of a disservice. Swaddling the back-alley, whiskey-and-opium menace in Vegas-style pomp and gloss has tarnished the memory of the Stones in their prime. And not in an “I-can’t-believe-they’re-still-at-it-at-their-age-how-embarrassing” sort of way, either; the dismissive ageism is a crutch for those jealous that a bunch of sexagenarian Englishmen are having more fun than they are. What’s missing is that element of chance – that harrowing feeling that the whole thing might just crumble before your very eyes - for it was on this precipice that the Stones staked their claim as The Greatest Rock ’n’ Roll Band in the World.

In a career spanning four decades, losing the plot is nothing new. The Stones first began to stagnate following a series of classic albums in the early ‘70s. Curiously, it was the New York City club scene that brought them out of this slump. 1978’s Some Girls was a timely release, reclaiming some of the glitz and grit missing from their mostly forgettable mid-‘70s efforts. Mick’s boogie nights at Studio 54 translated into a massive chart triumph when combined with the sleazy blooze bravado of the prototypical Bowery punks, Keef and Ronnie, and the ensuing tour may have been the last time the band married a creative peak to commercial success

This show, recorded during the ’78 tour, is a reminder of how it should be. The Stones’ strength is making a 4,000 seat theatre feel like a sweaty, smoky, beer-soaked juke joint, and they achieve it here. At times it’s loose and ugly, but that just makes it so much sweeter when they get it together. The more “modern” likes of “Miss You” and “Shattered” stand up against classic material such as “Tumbling Dice.” If Mick sounds a little out of breath, just picture him shimmying back and forth across a 100 foot stage and ask yourself if you could do the same and stay in key. This ain’t the opera - this is rock ‘n’ roll at its raw and bloody essence!

The Stones’ are still great, still packing in massive venues around the world, but their enduring success is built on an unsteady foundation of rough-hewn and raggedly perfect music. For all the rollicking, shambling glory, minus the smoke and mirrors, listen here

Ok, here's the list of the tracks on "Handsome Girls" as given on Henrik Mulder's "Love You Live" site: [home.wanadoo.nl]

disc
track
song title
city
country
date

1
1
Let it rock
Fort Worth, TX
USA
18-jul-78

1
2
All down the line
Fort Worth, TX
USA
18-jul-78

1
3
Honky tonk women
Fort Worth, TX
USA
18-jul-78

1
4
Star star
Fort Worth, TX
USA
18-jul-78

1
5
When the whip comes down
Fort Worth, TX
USA
18-jul-78

1
6
Beast of burden
Fort Worth, TX
USA
18-jul-78

1
7
Miss you
Fort Worth, TX
USA
18-jul-78

1
8
Just my imagination
Fort Worth, TX
USA
18-jul-78

1
9
Shattered
Fort Worth, TX
USA
18-jul-78

1
10
Respectable
Fort Worth, TX
USA
18-jul-78

1
11
Far away eyes
Fort Worth, TX
USA
18-jul-78

1
12
Love in vain
Fort Worth, TX
USA
18-jul-78

1
13
Tumbling dice
Fort Worth, TX
USA
18-jul-78

1
14
Happy
Fort Worth, TX
USA
18-jul-78

2
1
Sweet little sixteen
Fort Worth, TX
USA
18-jul-78

2
2
Brown sugar
Fort Worth, TX
USA
18-jul-78

2
3
Jumpin' jack flash
Fort Worth, TX
USA
18-jul-78

2
4
All down the line
Fort Worth, TX
USA
18-jul-78

2
5
Honky tonk women
Fort Worth, TX
USA
18-jul-78

2
6
Star star
Fort Worth, TX
USA
18-jul-78

2
7
When the whip comes down
Fort Worth, TX
USA
18-jul-78

2
8
Beast of burden
Fort Worth, TX
USA
18-jul-78

2
9
Shattered
Fort Worth, TX
USA
18-jul-78

2
10
Far away eyes
Fort Worth, TX
USA
18-jul-78

2
11
Jumpin' jack flash
Fort Worth, TX
USA
18-jul-78

2
12
Street fighting man
Passaic, NJ
USA
14-jun-78

2
13
(I can't get no) Satisfaction
Oakland, CA
USA
26-jul-78

2
14
Don't look back
Oakland, CA
USA
26-jul-78

3
1
Let it rock
Detroit, MI
USA
06-jul-78

3
2
All down the line
Houston, TX
USA
19-jul-78

3
3
Honky tonk women
Houston, TX
USA
19-jul-78

3
4
Star star
Houston, TX
USA
19-jul-78

3
5
When the whip comes down
Detroit, MI
USA
06-jul-78

3
6
Lies
Houston, TX
USA
19-jul-78

3
7
Miss you
Detroit, MI
USA
06-jul-78

3
8
Beast of burden
Houston, TX
USA
19-jul-78

3
9
Shattered
Memphis, TN
USA
28-jun-78

3
10
Respectable
Houston, TX
USA
19-jul-78

3
11
Just my imagination
Detroit, MI
USA
06-jul-78

3
12
Far away eyes
Lexington, KY
USA
29-jun-78

3
13
Love in vain
Detroit, MI
USA
06-jul-78

3
14
Tumbling dice
Detroit, MI
USA
06-jul-78

3
15
Happy
Detroit, MI
USA
06-jul-78

4
1
Hound dog
Memphis, TN
USA
28-jun-78

4
2
Sweet little sixteen
Houston, TX
USA
19-jul-78

4
3
Brown sugar
Houston, TX
USA
19-jul-78

4
4
Jumpin' jack flash
Houston, TX
USA
19-jul-78

4
5
Miss you
Lexington, KY
USA
29-jun-78

4
6
Lies
Lexington, KY
USA
29-jun-78

4
7
Beast of burden
Lexington, KY
USA
29-jun-78

4
8
Shattered
Lexington, KY
USA
29-jun-78

4
9
Just my imagination
Lexington, KY
USA
29-jun-78

4
10
Respectable
Lexington, KY
USA
29-jun-78

4
11
Sweet little sixteen
Lexington, KY
USA
29-jun-78

4
12
Tumbling dice
Houston, TX
USA
19-jul-78

4
13
Happy
Houston, TX
USA
19-jul-78

4
14
Brown sugar
Lexington, KY
USA
29-jun-78

4
15
Jumpin' jack flash
Lexington, KY
USA
29-jun-78


I only know for a fact that tracks 1-5 on disc one ARE from Ft. Worth -- I have the videos of these. Also, "Hound Dog" is definitely from Memphis.

So, how accurate is this list?



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2007-03-01 23:57 by bassplayer617.

Disc 1 & 2 are all Fort Worth - the songs that are repeated on disc 2 are just filler (a 'different mix', apparently)

The KBFH material is on disc 3 and 4, taken from the master tapes before they were broadcast

Gazza Wrote:
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> Disc 1 & 2 are all Fort Worth - the songs that are
> repeated on disc 2 are just filler (a 'different
> mix', apparently)
>
> The KBFH material is on disc 3 and 4, taken from
> the master tapes before they were broadcast

Ok, Gazza, this is the boot that I have (and one of my prized possessions). So, you think the venue list I posted is accurate?

well thats the 'accepted' source of these recordings according to all the records and websites. I would say that most of the info on discs 3 and 4 is correct

And thats the whole argument here in this thread...as some people think some of the songs (especially those at the end) are detroit and not Houston, if this new recording on Wolfgangs Vaults is accurate. As I mentioned earlier, we'll have to dig out the audience recordings to settle things properly,.

What do you all think the chances of these vaults containing previously unreleased video material? Or prestine versions of TV broadcasts we already have, such as Hampton 81?

Gazza Wrote:
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> Britney Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> > Yes I did a quick comparison with my audience
> > source. The real marker is the Mick Houston
> intro
> > as described by Joss.
>
> its not unusual for KBFH to use a spoken intro or
> between song dialogue from a different show to the
> one that preceded or follows it. same with
> official releases too


You are right in your reasoning Gazza...comments between songs are often from different shows than the following/previous number in broadcasts and official albums.
But why would there be a comment about Houston in this web-airing, if everything else there comes from Detroit ? Sounds very strange.