I wonder, how all these great bootlegs with a perfect sound, just like an official live-release, come on the black-market. I know that some of theme steme from radio- or TV-shows (e.g. San Diego 1998, Rio 1998...) but there are also a lot of other great boots, which weren't broadcasted, for example Leipzig 1998, Paris 1998, Boston Fenway 2005 etc.
Some of them may also be "only" very good audience-recordings but anyway, almost no hand-clappings, screaming...how come traders to such recordings?
Corrupt stage-crew members, Jagger in person or what?

If you listen to (most) Crystal Cat bootlegs, you'll hear that it's just like a perfect soundboard, meaning a bit of the audience in the mix, but crystal clear instruments, and those ones are recorded by a taper in the audience.
So it can be done with modern equipment, without placing the recorder on the stage, as they did in Oakland and San Diego 69.

Boston Fenway 2005? Is there a soundboard of that show circulating?

StonesTod Wrote:
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> Boston Fenway 2005? Is there a soundboard of that
> show circulating?

I have two really good recordings available, both shows.
It may be just audience but it's still very good.

Erik_Snow Wrote:
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> If you listen to (most) Crystal Cat bootlegs,
> you'll hear that it's just like a perfect
> soundboard, meaning a bit of the audience in the
> mix, but crystal clear instruments, and those ones
> are recorded by a taper in the audience.
> So it can be done with modern equipment, without
> placing the recorder on the stage, as they did in
> Oakland and San Diego 69.


I have a book somewhere covering the history of early bootlegs and there's an interview with the guy that recorded these shows. The recorder wasn't on the stage. He had the microphone on a pole painted black which he had pointed at Charlie to pick up the cymbals.

teleblaster Wrote:
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> I have a book somewhere covering the history of
> early bootlegs and there's an interview with the
> guy that recorded these shows. The recorder
> wasn't on the stage. He had the microphone on a
> pole painted black which he had pointed at Charlie
> to pick up the cymbals.


OK, that might be true, still you can see recorders on stage at some 69 shots, there's even a pic from Altamont with a recorder on stage...and not the kind of recorder Stones would use.

My friend drake does a great job - recording and mixing.

He can share his secret for recording with you if he chooses. I'm sworn to secrecy.

Today most arenas and stadiums have private luxury boxes that ideal locations to set up recording equipment. Also most boxes have a private entrance for the owners to reach the concourse where they are located. No hassles and usually in good locations. With a stocked bar to boot.

Elmo Lewis Wrote:
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> My friend drake does a great job - recording and
> mixing.
>
> He can share his secret for recording with you if
> he chooses. I'm sworn to secrecy.


what's the big secret? keep onnya at least 3 miles from the mic?

RollingStonesFan Wrote:
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> I wonder, how all these great bootlegs with a
> perfect sound, just like an official live-release,
> come on the black-market. I know that some of
> theme steme from radio- or TV-shows (e.g. San
> Diego 1998, Rio 1998...) but there are also a lot
> of other great boots, which weren't broadcasted,
> for example Leipzig 1998, Paris 1998, Boston
> Fenway 2005 etc.

Paris '98 IS a soundboard. Whether you think its 'perfect sound' is a matter of opinion. Many soundboards are a bit too 'dry' to my ears and the lack of audience noise detracts from the atmosphere. Personally I'd rather have a great audience recording that sounds like its a mixed soundboard (Wembley 11.6.99 for example)



> Some of them may also be "only" very good
> audience-recordings but anyway, almost no
> hand-clappings, screaming...how come traders to
> such recordings?
> Corrupt stage-crew members, Jagger in person or
> what?


The Stones have their crew record EVERY show. I guess some slip out from time to time if some crew member is a bit careless or wants to make some money. I think the source of the recent slew of '81 soundboards was a former crew member who decided he needed to cash in on the copies he'd made for his own personal use.

the msg july 26 72..it¨s a great sb...i wonder the story of the original tape..?

and where's the rest ?is it recorded or ??(sb)...

I know that in the US, several new arenas in the 90s were equipped with seats for the hearing-impaired. So a hearing-impaired ticketholder could plug headphones or a hearing aid into a jack in the arm of their seat and be able to amplify sond, or eliminate background noise...at any event...concert, convention, hockey game, etc.

A few industrious bootleggers also discovered you could plug a tape deck into the same jack and get a perfect soundboard mix.

I have some U2 boots recorded that way in Boston and Cleveland.

buffalo7478 Wrote:
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> I know that in the US, several new arenas in the
> 90s were equipped with seats for the
> hearing-impaired. So a hearing-impaired
> ticketholder could plug headphones or a hearing
> aid into a jack in the arm of their seat and be
> able to amplify sond, or eliminate background
> noise...at any event...concert, convention, hockey
> game, etc.
>
> A few industrious bootleggers also discovered you
> could plug a tape deck into the same jack and get
> a perfect soundboard mix.
>
> I have some U2 boots recorded that way in Boston
> and Cleveland.


Very interesting! Never knew that. Hmmm........

vancouver Wrote:
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> the msg july 26 72..it¨s a great sb...i wonder the
> story of the original tape..?
>
> and where's the rest ?is it recorded or ??(sb)...


I'm sure the whole thing was recorded. The Stones recorded several shows on that tour for a live album that was never released. I'm sure somebody else here could explain the legal mumbo-jumbo that prevented the album's release better than I could. But anyway, as the legend goes, the "Welcome To New York" bootleg that we have was stolen from the soundboard by a fan. If this is true, the show must have been recorded on two or three reels of tape and the fan just grabbed the reel that contained most of the second half of the show. So I'm sure the rest of this show is sitting in the vaults somewhere along side all the perfect 1970 and '71 soundboards that have never seen the light of day. It's been said many times on this board that the Stones record every show they play, but I don't know when they started this.