Darryl Jones appears on only 3 out of 13 songs on Bridges to Babylon (You Don't Have To Mean It,Always Suffering, Thief in the Night). Any reason for this? Is it just because of the variety of diffrent producers and studios?

Jamie Muhoberac, Jeff Sarli, Doug Wimbish, Blondie Chaplin, Don Was, Danny Sabe, Me'Shell Ndegéocello and Pierre du Beuport are also playing bass on BTB. Did Darryl Jones have a secure job before the recordings, or was BTB a kind of a new audition? Some of these bassplayers did attend the VL auditions after all.

Also intersting that Waddy Wachtel plays on 10 of the 13 tracks.

I guess the deal on the album as a whole was to try out different people all over it. Producers, bass players and so on....

Probably because of the variety of studios, or because Darryl did other things, and perhaps also because the Stones wanted to experiment, play with others... I'm glad that they stripped it down on ABB, but I still don't think it's a better album.

a great mick jagger album..he tried everything with this album...some don't like it because of that. but i think it holds up better then s.w. and v.l.

it sounds better with every play.

Think he was working a lot for Sting back then... (That f**king school teacher!, according to KR) And - good to see he's on the Keith tunes!



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2006-11-29 00:15 by Tralala.

I think they only originally intended Darryl to play on VL, so they auditioned more bassists, including Darryl again.



I think that because of the different producers and personnel, Bridges To Babylon turned out to be an excellent record, infinitely better than Voodoo Lounge, and is still their best record since Undercover.

Tralala Wrote:
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> Think he was working a lot for Sting back then...
> (That f**king school teacher!, according to KR)
> And - good to see he's on the Keith tunes!

Darryl only worked with Sting from late 1984 to mid 1986. He played with Sting on 1 studio album, The Dream Of The Blue Turles, the subsequent tour and the live album and movie from that tour called Bring On The Night.

Bridges was just horrible. Jesus, there are people who like that pile of shit? Every song ranged from lame to aweful. How can I stop, being nauseated. This marked the first album where Keith couldn't come up with a decent tune. Mick's songs are basically bad. Gunface, Anybody Seen my songwriting Talent...... on and on. Worse than Dirty Work, much worse. Pretty much destroyed the Stones chances of selling any more albums.

It's held up far better than VL or SW and already better than ABB.

Well time hasn't made it sound any worse. It was bad then and bad now.

It's like most of 'em, some good stuff - "Saint" "Out Of Control" "Too Tight" and some crap - "Juiced", etc.

I didn't like it back then, but it growed a lot on me. Anyway, VL is way better than B2B or ABB.

Slimharpo Wrote:
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> Bridges was just horrible. Jesus, there are
> people who like that pile of shit? Every song
> ranged from lame to aweful. How can I stop, being
> nauseated. This marked the first album where Keith
> couldn't come up with a decent tune. Mick's songs
> are basically bad. Gunface, Anybody Seen my
> songwriting Talent...... on and on. Worse than
> Dirty Work, much worse. Pretty much destroyed the
> Stones chances of selling any more albums.

I agree.

All those extra musicians...producers...and that's what they came up with. Sad.

And that k.d. lang credit...

Slimharpo Wrote:
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> Bridges was just horrible. Jesus, there are
> people who like that pile of shit? Every song
> ranged from lame to aweful. How can I stop, being
> nauseated. This marked the first album where Keith
> couldn't come up with a decent tune. Mick's songs
> are basically bad. Gunface, Anybody Seen my
> songwriting Talent...... on and on. Worse than
> Dirty Work, much worse. Pretty much destroyed the
> Stones chances of selling any more albums.


Bullshit, BTB is the Stones' best recent album. A huge improvement over anything since DW. There are no weak tracks on the album and it has held up incredibly well. You must be one of those narrow-minded fans that don't like it when the Stones try anything other than the next Brown Sugar.


It seems that many Stones fans would like to see them rehash their "classic" sound over and over instead of trying something new. If the Stones did that in the 70's, they would not be the great band they are today. The Stones were always about trying new things, otherwise we wouldn't have Some Girls, Black And Blue, or Aftermath.


loog droog Wrote:
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> And that k.d. lang credit...


This detracts from the album how?



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it's_all_wrong Wrote:
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> Bullshit, BTB is the Stones' best recent album. A
> huge improvement over anything since DW. There are
> no weak tracks on the album and it has held up
> incredibly well. You must be one of those
> narrow-minded fans that don't like it when the
> Stones try anything other than the next Brown
> Sugar.
>
>
> It seems that many Stones fans would like to see
> them rehash their "classic" sound over and over
> instead of trying something new. If the Stones did
> that in the 70's, they would not be the great band
> they are today. The Stones were always about
> trying new things, otherwise we wouldn't have Some
> Girls, Black And Blue, or Aftermath.

What's new on BTB? In my opinion they didn't create anything new at all. Out of Control, Saint Of Me, Flip The Switch - business as usual but in this case on a very low standard. You Don't Have To Mean It is the most lousy reggae-track they ever did and all I dig on this album is Anybody Seen My Baby (which I like more and more) and the end with Thief In The Night and How Can I Stop. But new? Didn't they do slow songs like Suffering and Over Me before? Even a strange one like Juiced comes near to Suck from VL. There are others around doing that kind of stuff in a much better way.

Anyway, to each it's own - I prefer VL which for me is the best album between 1973 and 2005 and others may prefer BTB - but really, NOTHING NEW on BTB at all...

There are many strong songs on this album, proved on the btb tour. Flip The Switch, Saint of Me and Out of Control were highlights every night on the road. I love playing Bridges to Babylon, actually it's only about the last year I really discovered it. I love the intro with Flip the Switch, Charlie's hard drumming and the SOUND in his drums. Well produced. I like Anybody Seen My Baby, it's got a sexy groove and a mysterious sound. Keith's songs are just amazing: You Don't Have To Mean It, Theif In The Night and How Can I Stop. It's a diffrent record, but a good record. Give it some time.

Bridges To Babylon is fantastic. It’s fresh and full of ideas. The Stones (or at least Mick) wanted to get creative again and it shows. There are a couple of duff tracks, but most of its wonderful stuff.

BTB is a great album and the sound is fantastic.

Darryls position in the band was quite unsure at the time of Babylon recordings. for the tour, they tried to get Bill Wyman back in the boat. if it was really heartfelt that they wanted him back or just a move to sell more tickets on tour by presenting the original line-up is not known and up for anyones guess. the whole thing was very undercover, and did not go public at the time, but they made an attempt and Bill rejected the offer. that may explain why they did not have Darryl on their list for the entire album and used various bass players instead.

are you sure they asked Bill to join the band before BTB? I've never heard that before alimente. I think once you retire from The Rolling Stones, you remain retired - at least in this case with Bill.

I like Saint of Me, Out of Control & Gunface. The rest is either boring, derivitave, or a bad Keith song. Flip the Switch is boring, and why do people call it the fastest Stones song ever??? It's not, Lies, Rip this Joint and even Where the Boys All Go are all way faster.

jamesfdouglas Wrote:
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> I like Saint of Me, Out of Control & Gunface. The
> rest is either boring, derivitave, or a bad Keith
> song. Flip the Switch is boring, and why do people
> call it the fastest Stones song ever??? It's not,
> Lies, Rip this Joint and even Where the Boys All
> Go are all way faster.


Still, Turd On The Run is the fastest song=) But I like Flip The Switch, not necessarily because it's fast, but just because it's a good song - thanks to Charlie. I love his groove on that one. It took me some time before I discovered it, I had to hear it live first before I got it. Keith played like a guitarhero on Flip the Switch during the BTB tour.

You gotta be kidding me. No contest that the order of the 3 in question is:

1. ABB
2. VL

3. B2B (way below 1 and 2)

Well, I don't thing BtB is THAT bad! Still, I enjoy Saint of me and Out of Control more than any other song on it by FAR. In fact, those two mubers ARE the album for me.

I think actually Out of Control is a bit boring on the album. Live it is a killer. One of their very best live songs ever I think, especially the way they performed it on some of the BTB shows with the jamming lasting forever - it was totaly insane.

The biggest mistake was for them to fade out the end on Out of Control on B2B...they're jamming away then it's fading out--yeah great job Don Was. Great job.

Big Al Wrote:
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> Bridges To Babylon is fantastic. It’s fresh and
> full of ideas. The Stones (or at least Mick)
> wanted to get creative again and it shows. There
> are a couple of duff tracks, but most of its
> wonderful stuff.

I agree. I especially like the really experimental stuff liked Juiced and Gunface.

Halup Wrote:
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> Tralala Wrote:
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> > Think he was working a lot for Sting back
> then...
> > (That f**king school teacher!, according to KR)
> > And - good to see he's on the Keith tunes!
>
> Darryl only worked with Sting from late 1984 to
> mid 1986. He played with Sting on 1 studio album,
> The Dream Of The Blue Turles, the subsequent tour
> and the live album and movie from that tour called
> Bring On The Night.

I have those albums but am not near them right now. What I'm wondering is, Sting is a bass player, so why did he need another bass player in the band? Or did he play guitar on that album and tour?

jamesfdouglas Wrote:
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> I like Saint of Me, Out of Control & Gunface. The
> rest is either boring, derivitave, or a bad Keith
> song. Flip the Switch is boring, and why do people
> call it the fastest Stones song ever??? It's not,
> Lies, Rip this Joint and even Where the Boys All
> Go are all way faster.


Because it IS the fastest Stones song ever. It is a few beats faster than Rip This Joint, and much faster than those songs mentioned.


I used to love that song, but now it's one of the weakest songs on BtB for me. But it's still a good song.

silkcut1978 Wrote:
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> What's new on BTB? In my opinion they didn't
> create anything new at all. Out of Control, Saint
> Of Me, Flip The Switch - business as usual but in
> this case on a very low standard. You Don't Have
> To Mean It is the most lousy reggae-track they
> ever did and all I dig on this album is Anybody
> Seen My Baby (which I like more and more) and the
> end with Thief In The Night and How Can I Stop.
> But new? Didn't they do slow songs like Suffering
> and Over Me before? Even a strange one like Juiced
> comes near to Suck from VL. There are others
> around doing that kind of stuff in a much better
> way.
>
> Anyway, to each it's own - I prefer VL which for
> me is the best album between 1973 and 2005 and
> others may prefer BTB - but really, NOTHING NEW on
> BTB at all...


How can you make such a baseless, false claim? Point out another album where they incorporate techno into their music, loop drums, or close with two Keith ballads.