what was the reason for this albums 1970,s release when the songs were written/recorded in the 60,s.

it has some good songs and some of them dont sound anything like what you would expect from the stones.

was it meant to be an album in the 60,s but was descarded for not being of a decent standard or where some of the songs going to be included in other albums.

did the stones have any say in its release.

anyone know.

to fulfill a contract.

originally it was intended to be the 3lp "Black Box" that Wyman was working on, but for various and sundry legal reasons, it got scaled back to this pile of shite.

so who picked the songs, the stones or the record company.

and why did it take so long to fulfill.

take so long? even though the material is '60s...and it was released in '75.....i think it was a situation where the Stones (under contract) owed the label one more album but they weren't willing to create or submit new material. i'm sure that there are others that know the detailed history of this albm better than i do.

i think oldham did it!?
btw, didn't the stones made a big
advertisement that this is not
a rsr-release, or was it the
no stone unturned album?

That was on "" No Stone Unturned"

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No, Nicos and kait, the advertisement was on Stone Age which was released about the same day as Sticky Fingers!
As far as I know Metamorphosis started as a mutual project of the Stones plus Alan Klein. Bill picked some songs (today known as The Black Box if you're looking for a bootleg though it's not complete) but Klein refused most of them as these were mostly Blues and R&B standards, thus not written by Jagger/Richards whose rights were owned by Klein...

JJHMick your totaly right I made a mistake

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if i've got the story right, part of the Stones' settlement with Klein
included Klein having the right to one album of unreleased material, and Metamorphosis is it.
i don't know who chose this particular material for the release.

thanks for the info, still a bit complicated though cos it was never going to be a great commercial release.

sometimes when i listen to it i think im listening to something else other than the stones.

oh yes, i forgot stone age

Tracks 1 & 3-9 don't even have most of the Stones on them! They're Jagger/Richards tunes with Mick on vocal, but they were originally for others to record. Phil Spector put his crappy sappy production on them, and they're a mess.

However,

The rest of the tunes are kinda cool.

It's not that strange the wrote a lot of songs back then and I'm glad they didn't release them all back then because alot of them didn't fit the stones so some of them are recorded by others.
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[en.wikipedia.org]

All songs by Mick Jagger and Keith Richard, except where noted.

1. "Out of Time" – 3:22
* The demo - with Mick Jagger on lead vocal - for Chris Farlowe's hit single version, recorded 27-30 April 1966
2. "Don't Lie To Me" (Chuck Berry) – 2:00
* Recorded on 12 May 1964
* Incorrectly credited to Mick Jagger and Keith Richards on the album
3. "Some Things Just Stick In Your Mind" – 2:25
* Recorded on 13 February 1964
4. "Each And Everyday Of The Year" – 2:48
* Recorded in early September 1964
5. "Heart of Stone" – 3:47
* Recorded 21 - 23 July 1964 with Jimmy Page on guitar and Clem Cattini on drums
6. "I'd Much Rather Be With The Boys" – 2:11
* Recorded in February 1965
7. "(Walkin' Thru The) Sleepy City" – 2:51


I AM GOING DOWN WITH OUT CYRUS


States|American]] edition of Metamorphosis in 1975

1. "Try a Little Harder" – 2:17
* Recorded on 13 February 1964
2. "I Don't Know Why" (Stevie Wonder/Paul Riser/Don Hunter/Lula Hardaway) – 3:01
* Recorded on 3 July 1969, the same night that Brian Jones died. The music after the stop was spliced in at a later stage. The second slide guitar solo is a copy of the first solo
3. "If You Let Me" – 3:17
* An Aftermath outtake, recorded 3 - 6 March 1966
4. "Jiving Sister Fanny" – 2:45
* Recorded in June 1969
5. "Downtown Suzie" (Bill Wyman) – 3:52
* Recorded on 23 April 1969 under the original title "Sweet Lyle Lucie". It features Ry Cooder on open G tuned guitar, and is in fact the very first Rolling Stones track recorded in open G-tuning
6. "Family" – 4:05
* Recorded on 28 June 1968
7. "Memo From Turner" – 2:45
* Recorded on 17 November 1968, it is unknown who plays on this song
8. "I'm Going Down" – 2:52
* Recorded 14 - 15 July 1970 as a Sticky Fingers outtake

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jamesfdouglas Wrote:
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Tracks 1 & 3-9 don't even have most of the Stones on them! They're Jagger/Richards tunes with Mick on vocal, but they were originally for others to record. Phil Spector put his crappy sappy
> production on them, and they're a mess.


I would say the fault lies in the material, not the production. Some of the worst, most lightweight songs Mick & Keith ever wrote (with the exception of #'s 1 & 5).

The songs in question:

1. Out Of Time

3. Some Things Just Stick In Your Mind
4. Each And Every Day Of The Year
5. Heart Of Stone
6. I'd Much Rather Be With The Boys
7. (Walkin' Thru' The) Sleepy City
8. We're Wasting Time
9. Try A Little Harder

I actually think I prefer this version of Heart Of Stone.

Also, calling Phil Spector's production crappy & sappy is ridiculous.
Phil Spector is The Mack - an absolute genius.

Here a sample of a song recorded by some one else Donna Lynn

[www.yousendit.com]

For RockMan who probaly have pick of Donna Lynn, can you please post it, Thanks Man...

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wee bobby lennox, you're wrong if you think it wasn't meant to be a "great commercial" release. It was released parallel (just liek Stone Age...) to Made in the Shade before their US tour! Made in the Shade made #6, Metamorphosis #8 in the States...
I once read that the Stones had succeeded Elvis over the number of Gold record awards (40 or 35)in the US and that seemed to fit with the number of all albums they had published by then - it means, including all those post-1970 London/Decca longplayers.
Metamorphosis and the singles "I Don't Know Why" and "Out Of Time" also charted in other countries. In Germany, they still play (so to say) Mick's Chris Farlowe version quite often in the radio. By the way, Farlowe told me that he sold 1,1 million copies worldwide of Out Of Time - I don't know, certainly exaggerated but in the mid-60s the single was the format and I read you had to sell more than a 100,000 to get in the top 10 of a major market like England then.

>>>Farlowe told me that he sold 1,1 million copies worldwide of Out Of Time - I don't know, certainly exaggerated but in the mid-60s the single was the format and I read you had to sell more than a 100,000 to get in the top 10 of a major market like England then.


Farlowe's version of OOT reached #1 in Britain and other European countries too.


About Metamorphosis: the album spent 3 weeks on the top 10 of Billboard in July 1975, I Don't Know Why (#42) and Out Of Time (#81) were hot 100 hits that year too.

Mostly of Decca's releases during the 70's and early 80's were commercial hits:
- Stone Age UK #4 (April 1971)
- Gimme Shelter UK #19 (September 1971)
- Hot Rocks US #4 (January 1972, 12 million copies sold in U.S)
- Milestones UK #14 (March 1972)
- Rock And Rolling Stones UK #41 (November 1972)
- More Hot Rocks US #9 (January 1973)
- Metamorphosis UK #45/US #8 (July 1975)
- Rolled Gold UK #7 (December 1975, big seller during 1975-76-82)
- Get Stoned UK #8 (November 1977)
- Story Of The Stones UK #24 (December 1982)

For you NICOS .....

Donna Lynn released I'd Much Rather Be With The Girls
in March 1965. Her only track to crack the charts was
her novelty record My Boyfriend Got A Beatles Haircut.....



In 2002 Memphis based rockers Reigning Sound also pumped
out a good version of the Richards/Oldham gem which can
be found on their CD Time Bomb High School - In The Red ITR084.......





ROCKMAN

cosmoprim Wrote:
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> I would say the fault lies in the material, not
> the production. Some of the worst, most
> lightweight songs Mick & Keith ever wrote (with
> the exception of #'s 1 & 5).
>
> The songs in question:
>
> 1. Out Of Time
>
> 3. Some Things Just Stick In Your Mind
> 4. Each And Every Day Of The Year
> 5. Heart Of Stone
> 6. I'd Much Rather Be With The Boys
> 7. (Walkin' Thru' The) Sleepy City
> 8. We're Wasting Time
> 9. Try A Little Harder
>
> I actually think I prefer this version of Heart Of
> Stone.
>
> Also, calling Phil Spector's production crappy &
> sappy is ridiculous.
> Phil Spector is The Mack - an absolute genius.


Which is why the Stones didn't want to record these songs for the band. And I actually like all the songs on Metamorphosis, with exception to Try A Little Harder.

Phil Spector ruined Let It Be with his sappy orchestra, choir overdubs and smooth production, so he doesn't have much credibility in my eyes.

Whoo whoo man...Spector may have slipped with
Let It Be but that guy gave some mighty mighty
stuff in the 60's....If he only produced Be My Baby
he'd be in the history books..one of the greatest pop
records ever and a record that has influenced Brian Wilson ever since...



ROCKMAN

Rockman Wrote:
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> Whoo whoo man...Spector may have slipped with
> Let It Be but that guy gave some mighty mighty
> stuff in the 60's....If he only produced Be My
> Baby
> he'd be in the history books..one of the greatest
> pop
> records ever and a record that has influenced
> Brian Wilson ever since...


Great point on BMB. Hard to underestimate that one.

Rockman Wrote:
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> Whoo whoo man...Spector may have slipped with
> Let It Be

Looks like he may have "slipped" with a gun, too.

ROCKMAN

Maybe I'm wrong, but even though Metamorphosis is a crappy collection overall (with an incredibly crappy cover), without it, we probably wound NOT have Don't Know Why I Love You and Jivin Sister Fanny. It's existence is justified by those two tracks.

> 3. Some Things Just Stick In Your Mind
> 4. Each And Every Day Of The Year
> 6. I'd Much Rather Be With The Boys
> 7. (Walkin' Thru' The) Sleepy City
> 8. We're Wasting Time
> 9. Try A Little Harder

It's not that they the Stones did not want to record these Jagger-Richards tunes - Jagger-Richards actually did not write these songs with the Stones in mind. In the early days, they intentionally wrote songs to sell them to other artists. Like a little offshoot company, to create some extra income... If you're a songwriter and come across a nice melody or song idea and you know it will not fit your band, what would you do? Discard the song alltogether? Or try to make some extra cash by offering it to other artists? In those early days, the band was not as rich as they are now, so some extra cash was always welcome.

It's just a bit strange that those recordings ended up on a Rolling Stones album...because despite being Jagger-Richards compositions, they had nothing to do with the band. They weren't written for the band, and the band did not record them. These are actually demos, recorded by studio musicians, with Jagger vocals.



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i think bill was disapointed,with this album,,? because they replace some of his,choose,
(RIDE ON BABY was not yet released to the uk market...)

anyway the germans decca,,did good own complications,,
around and around ,,i belived for many years this album was their 3:rd album,,,
the best of the rest,(box set),,,this was a good set,,,

Yes, Bill was disappointed reportedly. Klein's selection was a pure business decision. Some songs Bill chose (Cops And Robbers, Little Red Rooster live, Down The Road Apiece-live, Bright Lights Big City) were no Jagger-Richards compositions so ABKCO obviously could not make enough money on mechanical copyrights. With Jagger-Richards-stuff they could... And if Klein knew at the time that Don't Lie To Me was not a Jagger-Richards composition, but a Chuck Berry tune, this song probably would have been replaced too (probably with this pop demo of Blue Turns To Grey). And wasn't even I Don't Know Why wrongly credited to Jagger-Richards on initial pressings?

I think Metamorphosis shows that it is virtually impossible to compile a great outtakes album from 60's material by trying to avoid non-Jagger-Richards material. However, I like Metamorphis - besides the pop stuff, there's great songs on there too...I Don't Know Why, Don't Lie To Me, Jiving Sister Fanny, I'm Going Down, Family, If You Let Me, hell, I even like Downtown Suzie.



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JJHMick Wrote:
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> No, Nicos and kait, the advertisement was on Stone
> Age which was released about the same day as
> Sticky Fingers!
> As far as I know Metamorphosis started as a mutual
> project of the Stones plus Alan Klein. Bill picked
> some songs (today known as The Black Box if you're
> looking for a bootleg though it's not complete)
> but Klein refused most of them as these were
> mostly Blues and R&B standards, thus not written
> by Jagger/Richards whose rights were owned by
> Klein...



The bootleg known as "The Black Box" isnt the same as the unreleased official album, as several of the songs slated for release have never been bootlegged.

NICOS:

>>"Memo From Turner" – 2:45
* Recorded on 17 November 1968, it is unknown who plays on this song <<

This is real mystery to me... I know I have been posted a few times the purported line-up of James Mason on guitar and Jimmy Miller, or whoever else, on drums, but I can't seem to shake it out of my psyche. ...That rhythm guitar sounds so much like Keith and that drum like Charlie, it's eerie! ...and/or suspicious!

Is it documented that on such and such night, the Stones were not together in studio at all to record anything else, for instance?

Like the Beatles sessions are pretty well documented re. this.