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Re: If the Stones were allowed to play in Iran, would people come?
Posted by: Leonard Keringer ()
Date: October 12, 2006 20:05

saw the Stones in a small club in Iran in '79.....no announcement....band used the name "Bin Hidin & the Tali Band"

Re: If the Stones were allowed to play in Iran, would people come?
Posted by: Beelyboy ()
Date: October 12, 2006 20:23

Leonard Keringer Wrote:
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> saw the Stones in a small club in Iran in
> '79.....no announcement....band used the name "Bin
> Hidin & the Tali Band"

yeah i caught that gig too, what was with Ronnie that night?

Re: If the Stones were allowed to play in Iran, would people come?
Posted by: Leonard Keringer ()
Date: October 12, 2006 20:24

Beelyboy Wrote:
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> Leonard Keringer Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > saw the Stones in a small club in Iran in
> > '79.....no announcement....band used the name
> "Bin
> > Hidin & the Tali Band"
>
> yeah i caught that gig too, what was with Ronnie
> that night?


Hasheeeeeeeeeesh

Re: If the Stones were allowed to play in Iran, would people come?
Posted by: ohnonotyouagain ()
Date: October 12, 2006 20:30

And don't forget their surprise club gig in Iran in '82 under the name Johnny Jihad and the True Believers. Most of the crowd weren't into it, though; they only came because they misunderstood the posters promising the stage show would feature a killer display of pyrotechnics.

Re: If the Stones were allowed to play in Iran, would people come?
Posted by: Leonard Keringer ()
Date: October 12, 2006 20:31

ohnonotyouagain Wrote:
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> And don't forget their surprise club gig in Iran
> in '82 under the name Johnny Jihad and the True
> Believers. Most of the crowd weren't into it,
> though; they only came because they misunderstood
> the posters promising the stage show would feature
> a killer display of pyrotechnics.


and no women allowed.....bumma

Re: If the Stones were allowed to play in Iran, would people come?
Posted by: ohnonotyouagain ()
Date: October 12, 2006 20:33

Leonard Keringer Wrote:
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> ohnonotyouagain Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > And don't forget their surprise club gig in
> Iran
> > in '82 under the name Johnny Jihad and the True
> > Believers. Most of the crowd weren't into it,
> > though; they only came because they
> misunderstood
> > the posters promising the stage show would
> feature
> > a killer display of pyrotechnics.
>
>
> and no women allowed.....bumma

They were going to bring some honky tonk women but couldn't find any whose ankles weren't exposed.

Re: If the Stones were allowed to play in Iran, would people come?
Posted by: Leonard Keringer ()
Date: October 12, 2006 20:34

ohnonotyouagain Wrote:
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> Leonard Keringer Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > ohnonotyouagain Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > And don't forget their surprise club gig in
> > Iran
> > > in '82 under the name Johnny Jihad and the
> True
> > > Believers. Most of the crowd weren't into it,
> > > though; they only came because they
> > misunderstood
> > > the posters promising the stage show would
> > feature
> > > a killer display of pyrotechnics.
> >
> >
> > and no women allowed.....bumma
>
> They were going to bring some honky tonk women but
> couldn't find any whose ankles weren't exposed.


for an encore they played..........just wanna see her face

Re: If the Stones were allowed to play in Iran, would people come?
Posted by: ohnonotyouagain ()
Date: October 12, 2006 20:44

LOL!

Re: If the Stones were allowed to play in Iran, would people come?
Posted by: bv ()
Date: October 12, 2006 23:17

1. They would not be allowed.
2. Nobody would come.
3. They would not even think about it.

Bjornulf

Re: If the Stones were allowed to play in Iran, would people come?
Posted by: tat2you ()
Date: October 12, 2006 23:20

c'mon BV the Ayatoalh would love to here " Hip Shake Burhka" no??

Re: If the Stones were allowed to play in Iran, would people come?
Posted by: Baboon Bro ()
Date: October 12, 2006 23:30

Alas Peter Tosh souldnt lively it up there, but
watch this & say if he wouldnt have been fit for it?



(crap sound but the coolest vid for millenies)

Re: If the Stones were allowed to play in Iran, would people come?
Posted by: sjs12 ()
Date: October 13, 2006 00:16

The Stones would think about it if they could. After all, apart from the fact that they wouldn't be allowed to play there, what else would stop them? Maybe there would be protests but I don't know enough about the locals to call that one.

All I know is that they have played in some other "dodgy" places in the past - e.g. China recently. They played in communist countries during the Cold War too.

It won't happen at the moment, of course. But if the Stones were to roll for another 5 years (which I doubt) then who's to say what the future holds. Maybe U2 or someone equally boring will be first to play Iran.

(Anyone know if any western (major) bands played before the revolution?)

Re: If the Stones were allowed to play in Iran, would people come?
Posted by: Gazza ()
Date: October 13, 2006 00:29

bv Wrote:
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> 1. They would not be allowed.
> 2. Nobody would come.
> 3. They would not even think about it.


4. They would get blown up

Re: If the Stones were allowed to play in Iran, would people come?
Posted by: MicksBrain ()
Date: October 13, 2006 01:20

Gazza Wrote:
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> 4. They would get blown up

Interesting observation.... not sure I agree....



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2006-10-13 01:25 by MicksBrain.

Re: If the Stones were allowed to play in Iran, would people come?
Posted by: 6853 ()
Date: October 13, 2006 01:24

if there was any social guts in the stones they should go there,and teach people that solid rock and roll cures hatred

Re: If the Stones were allowed to play in Iran, would people come?
Posted by: Bärs ()
Date: October 13, 2006 01:29

Of course people would come if the Stones were allowed to play there. Iran is a highly secular country. The values of the genereal population has nothing to do with fundamentalism.

Re: If the Stones were allowed to play in Iran, would people come?
Posted by: MicksBrain ()
Date: October 13, 2006 01:30

hmmm,yeah, interesting....didn't know IRAN had the "Hate" market cornered....

Re: If the Stones were allowed to play in Iran, would people come?
Posted by: scelsa ()
Date: October 13, 2006 01:40

"While Europe Slept" - by Bruce Bawer

Re: If the Stones were allowed to play in Iran, would people come?
Posted by: 6853 ()
Date: October 13, 2006 01:46

honest boys :

do you really think it was right for usa to invade irak, ? i am not objecting your opinion , i just want to hear them and discuss them in full respect

my concern is : what about other countries that dont have full democracy..
there are so many of them ..

Re: If the Stones were allowed to play in Iran, would people come?
Posted by: MicksBrain ()
Date: October 13, 2006 01:48

Bärs Wrote:
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> Of course people would come if the Stones were
> allowed to play there. Iran is a highly secular
> country. The values of the genereal population has
> nothing to do with fundamentalism.

Never saw a "Bars" post before but obviously someone who knows exactly what they're talking about - smarter then 99% of the US Government - BRAVO BARS !!!

Re: If the Stones were allowed to play in Iran, would people come?
Posted by: mariannerl ()
Date: October 13, 2006 01:50

Besides the US Governement. There are some other governements in this world.

Re: If the Stones were allowed to play in Iran, would people come?
Posted by: Doxa ()
Date: October 13, 2006 01:51

Why not? They play in some bloody redneck states in US as well. If those guys accept some long hair, twisted moral English men, why not some other fundamentals as well?

- Doxa

Re: If the Stones were allowed to play in Iran, would people come?
Posted by: MicksBrain ()
Date: October 13, 2006 02:00

mariannerl Wrote:
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> Besides the US Governement. There are some other
> governements in this world.

.....Almost 200 I think.......didn't get the point.....

Re: If the Stones were allowed to play in Iran, would people come?
Posted by: The Sicilian ()
Date: October 13, 2006 04:45

Are we that naive to believe that the entire Iranian population is oblivious to western culture, specifically rock music?

If history has taught us anything its that you can suppress people and their freedoms, but music in all its forms will always endure.

Just because the media shows organized pro-government rallies in hick towns and a leader who rants anti US rhetoric as its only source of activity in Iran, don't underestimate the presence of Stones cds and material within the society.

There are educated and intelligent people in the population.

Re: If the Stones were allowed to play in Iran, would people come?
Posted by: Raoul Duke ()
Date: October 13, 2006 06:34

I also heard repeatedly that young people in Iran are rather Westernized; I also read somewhere that there's quite a black market for rock music (especially from a few years back). Hard to say what "Westernized" means in that context. There might be some curiosity about Western culture, but that doesn't mean there are a whole lot of gin-soaked barroom queens in Teheran. My guess is that if they were to play there (which will never happen), you would see a lot of people at the show. But that would probably be due to the novelty of the whole thing, not to the presence of any real interest in the band itself.

Re: If the Stones were allowed to play in Iran, would people come?
Posted by: scaffer ()
Date: October 13, 2006 08:54

Hope no one gets offended, but I did the unthinkable and actually asked some Iranians (most anti-Ahmadinejad but some pro) at my J.O.B.

Responses:

1. Ticket prices would need to be under $100 on average. Millions of Iranians can afford this, millions can't.

2. They would sell out any venue in Tehran, no questions asked.

3. The assumption is that they would have the government's blessing to play. President Ahmadinejad's office would certainly oppose it. The Council of Guardians would oppose it. But if the Supreme Leader (the current big Ayatollah) had no comment (50-50 probability), it could happen.

4. They would need to play 'Paint It Black.'

5. They would need to play 'Satisfaction.'

6. Iranian women would get seriously dressed up for the event.

7. If the Pasdaran (Revolutionary Guard) showed up, it could get very ugly outside (or even inside) the venue. Probably the Stones management and Iranian officials could 'come to an agreement' to prevent this from happening.

8. Mick would have a 50-50 chance of getting laid.

Re: If the Stones were allowed to play in Iran, would people come?
Posted by: stonesfan70 ()
Date: October 13, 2006 09:21

Not that its entirely relevant, but Freddie Mercury was of Iranian descent I believe.

Re: If the Stones were allowed to play in Iran, would people come?
Posted by: bv ()
Date: October 13, 2006 10:22

They played in Istanbul 1998. Total crowd 15,000 people, in a city which is around 18 million people, i.e. one of the largest in the world. Turkey is all muslim. The Stones and their music did not fit in. They are not known. The people have a different taste of music. They are not "Sympathy For The Devil" kind of people. They don't go out in the streets saying "Ohhh Ohhh etc. Only Paint It Black had a certain touch in the crowd, because of it's oriental sound. If they were to perform in another muslim country I would assume they would choose Indonesia or some other place where at least some of the people would have heard about them.

Bjornulf

Re: If the Stones were allowed to play in Iran, would people come?
Posted by: Baboon Bro ()
Date: October 13, 2006 13:03

I say you show us a slightly narrow-minded image of
Muslims generally and Turkey in particular, Bv.

We have a tv-channel here which is a blast-full of Turkish
disco and such music videos.

Music & politcs shouldnt be confused with each other, netiher should politics
an religion. Turkey is ruled in a dictatoric way, and the atmosphere is
very ethnocentric and chauvunistic (as, to a large extent, in US or
oin many other Western countries). But they listen to music with many Western elements. And the ladies are bare, I assure ya.

Re: If the Stones were allowed to play in Iran, would people come?
Posted by: erikjjf ()
Date: October 13, 2006 13:07

Baboon Bro Wrote:
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> I say you show us a slightly narrow-minded image of Muslims generally and Turkey in particular, Bv.
>
> We have a tv-channel here which is a blast-full of Turkish disco and such music videos.
>
> Music & politcs shouldnt be confused with each other, netiher should politics
> an religion. Turkey is ruled in a dictatoric way, and the atmosphere is
> very ethnocentric and chauvunistic (as, to a large extent, in US or oin many other Western countries). But they listen to music with many Western elements. And the ladies are bare, I assure ya.


Still, 15,000 at a stadium show is a pretty clear indication that the band won't be returning to that part of the world any time soon.

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