stoned_in_dc Wrote:
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> i don't think BVs saying not to criticize the
> stones fleabit
>
> he's just saying you can't really say jack squat
> about the show if you were not there...
>
> i think thats obviously true!

another way of looking at that argument is - is anyone in a position to say Brussels 73 was a great show if they werent there, based solely on a bootleg recording? Surely it works both ways.

Gazza Wrote:
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another way of looking at that argument is - is anyone in a position to say Brussels 73 was a great show if they werent there, based solely on a bootleg recording? Surely it works both ways.


Excellent analogy. I believe Mick T played one note as a b sharp rather than a b flat during Rambler. He totally ruined that song.

Gazza, you are right. I attended Brussels 73 and San Siro 06. Brussels was : 10/10 and San Siro 5/10. To give another example of my own experience Wembley 99 was 9 / 10.

Just went back from Milan and I gotta say it was nice to see them again BUT:
The Stones in our days are Sir Mick Jagger not much more. He rules the show in everyway. Charlie is counting the days the touring stops, Keith is still magic but he is beginng to fade, when you look at his face while he plays I often wonder if he knows where he is and what song he got to play. Ronnie is an average guitar player nothing more, don`t compare him to the years gone by.
But Mick is on fire!!! Seeing him going nuts is worth every penny believe me.

Gazza Wrote:

>
> another way of looking at that argument is - is
> anyone in a position to say Brussels 73 was a
> great show if they werent there, based solely on a
> bootleg recording?

i'm going to think a bit on this (i've edited out my original post)



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2006-07-12 21:18 by stoned_in_dc.

I'm not happy about it but I must agree with all the critical comments on the opening show - it really was not a good show. Besides the soundproblems (why can that be, they rehearse, they have soundchecks, so everything should be okay), the guitarplaying was bad, from both Keith and Ron. SOL is to forget totally.
Italians told me the sound in San Siro is always a problem. But if the stadium is not suited for a concert it should not be played there.
It's kind of a deliverer-costumer relationship - we are costumers and can expect the best quality to be delivered, even more since we pay a lot of money (and I am NOT complaining about ticketprices!!!). But you won't go to a store for another time if you are not satisfied.
It's right, the Stones have never been the best guitar players, and the little mistakes now and then are kind of part of their music - no clean sound, that's what made them the greatest band in the world. But at one point enough is enough and they better get better or stop touring.
Mick is Mick as always, he carries the show.
I love the boys and really am looking forward to Vienna on Friday and some more shows on this tour - being critical is part of my love for them.
Will bring them a tongue-shaped cake to the hotel - hope they'll like it...
Susan

wasn't there anything about Keith, apart from the cheers when he came on stage?
How did Mick introduce him, was anything special/funny said at all?
Did the show actually end with the italian players? Nothing after that?

LolA Wrote:
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> wasn't there anything about Keith, apart from the
> cheers when he came on stage?
> How did Mick introduce him, was anything
> special/funny said at all?
> Did the show actually end with the italian
> players? Nothing after that?
Not really, they did show a banner that read "Keith, is empty without you" on the big screen.
Materazzi and Del Piero came on-stage when the last song, Satisfaction, was over.

Dunhill - did you submit your review to BV for inclusion on the official IORR reviews pages? I ask, because I don't see it there and am curious as to whether he'll post it if you submit it. I've not had luck getting "less than glowing" reviews posted before.

I appreciate your candor and honesty, btw. It's possible to both enjoy a Stones performance and still retain a critical stance. More should try this sometime - it's not a crime.

A special mention to Lisa Fisher, stealing the show on TNITRT, with a nipple slip out of her shirt

Wait a minute...

What about THE NIPPLE SHOT????????????????????????

phd Wrote:
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> Just come back from Milan. My first opening in 36
> years. The crowd responded q well. The sound was
> the worst I ever heard.I don't know if Amsterdam
> Arena is an echodome, but sure San Siro is.
> Could'nt hear Keith up until As tears go by. Mick
> was in great shape as well as Charlie. Keith
> involved himself into runnings to demonstrate that
> everything was now under control. Ron was absent
> and inaudible except during 2 solos. Peaks were
> for me : MR, YCAGWYW, Satisfaction. SOL was well
> received by the crowd, though sometimes Mick what
> looking what the others were doing. Nice to hear
> Under My Thumb. To summarize:
> bad sound, Mick in great conditions physical and
> vocal, Charlie drumming as hell. Keith pleased to
> be there, but not paying enough attention to his
> guitar playing. San Siro was far from being sold
> out, though the 50,000 audience was great and
> compensate for this.

Now I'm too tired and sleepy to write a review but
I could agree with your impressions (as for sound quality I've been told that it was better on the first and second rings of the stadium...)

See Age/Keith video at [media.theage.com.au]



Herald Sun 13 July 2006



ROCKMAN

StonesTod Wrote:
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> Dunhill - did you submit your review to BV for
> inclusion on the official IORR reviews pages? I
> ask, because I don't see it there and am curious
> as to whether he'll post it if you submit it.
> I've not had luck getting "less than glowing"
> reviews posted before.
>
> I appreciate your candor and honesty, btw. It's
> possible to both enjoy a Stones performance and
> still retain a critical stance. More should try
> this sometime - it's not a crime.

Thanks man, didn't know you could submit reviews but if BV is ok with that he can post it there.

> Kurt wroteate: July 13, 2006 00:35
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>A special mention to Lisa Fisher, stealing the show on TNITRT, with a nipple >slip out of her shirt
>
>Wait a minute...
>
>What about THE NIPPLE SHOT????????????????????????
Wish I had a camera on me, it was like 2 seconds, that girl's got lungs.
It was a very little and sexy nipple, her right one

why - is there something less sexy about the left one? ;-)

Gazza Wrote:
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> why - is there something less sexy about the left
> one? ;-)
I ain't seen it yet, but I'm sure they both make a nice pair.

Here is a review from BT in Dansih:

[www.bt.dk]

To the ones who don't understand danish - the review is really good - he said it was the best Satisfaction ever he had seen live....

The show had ups and downs as usual
I liked SOL, even if the version wasn't perfet, it's just that the song has a good potential on stage.

Con Le Mie Lacrime was great, not because the version was exceptional, but because you could feel a lot of emotion in the stadium during the song - that is not to be seen on rs.com, sadly.

Midnight Rambler and Night Time were really good, just as Satisfaction
The sound from where we were was not bad, way better than the sound of a lot of arenas back in 2003.

[doctorstonesblog.blogspot.com]

electric-duane Wrote:
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> Nobody said they wanted to see a Satriani or Steve
> Vai. That's why I always use the Allman Brothers
> Band as an example, especially the current
> incarnation. The playing of Warren Haynes and
> Derek Trucks isn't based on what you've called
> "technicians." They're solid players with
> imagination. The improvise melodies and are pretty
> good at leaving bum notes out.
>
> That said, if you really paid attention the Dickey
> Betts before he was canned and even since, the guy
> is not up to par, especially for the music he's
> playing. Some of his solos can be excruciating. He
> can't keep up, he plays completely wrong notes, he
> stops in the middle of solos (Dreams from Houston,
> 1997 comes to mind) because he loses timing.
>
> I have to assume if I'm doing creative advertising
> and I produce an advert that looks like shite, my
> boss is going to call me on it. When I tell him,
> "oh, I don't understand Photoshop but that's not
> the point. If you're looking for technician go to
> Microsoft." It should be the same for a guitarist
> getting paid millions of dollars. He doesn't have
> to be Eric Johnson, but I expect him to play solid
> guitar.

Just my 2 cents from reading thru this thread.

electric-duane makes some very good articulate points.

I attended several of the ABB shows in the US: MSG, DC, FL shows.

IMHO the Stones need a lead guitarist.

That is not intended as a swipe at Keith. Keith is great and I don't personally see a whole lot of difference in Keith's playing since 1989 or so. That said the songs need a punch with a guitar, they were written that way, and they don't have it right now. Bless Ronnie and I like him too but he ain't getting the job done. Keith can sing play rhythm and fills Ronnie can play rhythem/fills and occasional solo but for the required extended solos bring someone on to carry the sound.

In order to continue touring in to the future and have a legitimate rock sound they need a lead guitarist.

I hope all of the European shows are great and that my many European friends get to see the shows.

Dug this up from the deep cellar vaults...

Almost one year ago.....
Will try to see what was said after Fenway too.

Nothin' new under the sun?
(Quote from user Dunhills first post on the thread)

"Keith Richards: 4
Horrible, I hate saying this as he's always been my favourite Stone, but enough is enough.
He makes a LOT of mistakes, he completly forgets the lyrics and chord progression to BTMMR, I mean, with SA, is the only song he has to sing.
Completly f**ks-up on about 1/3 of the songs and on SFTD plays a solo even a 5 year-old could play.
I think that rather than coming off the palm tree he sould come down to Earth
and understand that we pay money to see him play like we like him to and not to see him on stage just to see him.
He would deserve an extra encouragment point for saving Mick's life right before SMU.
Mick was strolling on stage dangerously close to the flame throwers on front-stage and Keith called him and told him: "Mick, careful, this one's got fireworks". Mick realized how careless he was and smiled back, looking quite worried. "