humanriff77 Wrote:
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>
> Why do you care what tricks the promoter gets up
> to? Is it your job to stand up for them? If so why
> don't you just say who you are working for.

Yeah ... because I have not the same opinion, I work for them. Off course.

drbryant Wrote:
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> That's the one GREAT thing about the current
> Stones tour. Brokers get burned!!

Agreed. Don't you just LOVE to see brokers get burned ? I mean really, how the hell do you justify this for example ?

[www.capital-tickets.com]

For Twickenham on 20th August for example these a**holes are selling what they describe as "Best Reserved Pitch Seats - Block A" for £750 + VAT; grand total of £881.25 for a ticket with a face value of £60 + a few quid for service/handling charges.

I think that when scalping assumes this sort of ridiculous dimension, there ought to be government intervention to introduce laws that would effectively outlaw behaviour of this nature. It's an absolute disgrace that they're allowed to ply their trade.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2006-07-11 12:23 by paulywaul.

That's ridiculous. These types of brokers are basically there for companies or for rich people who have no idea how to get tickets themselves. With these types of offers, the brokers can't lose, though. I don't think that they are carrying any inventory.

Basically, they offer "block A" for 750 bp, which is, as we know, just crazy. If they offered "row 3 center" or row 1, section A1, then you know they have the inventory, but "block A" is meaningless. Then, when an order comes in, they go out and buy block A tickets on the open market (which might cost them 200-300 bp) and still make 100%+ profit. If they can't get the tickets for less than 750 bp (a very low chance of that), they tell the customer that they cannot accept the order.

madmaxx Wrote:
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> Not if you are No 17,000 Kent.


That's true.

JumpingKentFlash

Just saw that getgo.de has once again FOS-Tickets for the Cologne-Concert avaiable!!

>Just saw that getgo.de has once again FOS-Tickets for the Cologne-Concert >avaiable!!

seems that now 3 quarter of the field must be FOS!

rknuth Wrote:
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> >if a band were to sell about 95% of tickets for a
> stadium that holds, say, >70,000 people and the
> show were to gross (hypothetically) about 6-7
> million >Euro, would you call that a 'flop'?
>
> yes, i would call it a flop as there are more
> cancelled shows than those that were scheduled. I
> mean 3 cancelled shows in Germany and you still
> get FOS for the others shows the dilemma. You can
> even get 20% rebate on a ticket for any other show
> when you buy a new ticket for your cancelled
> shows. And they offer you shuttle services from
> Nuremberg to Munich or from Leipzig to Berlin.
>
> And those cities which have had 2 shows and now
> only one and you still get tickets. Do you think
> that's successful.
>
> At least you can say we get all people having
> bought ticket for 10 shows and do 2 sold out shows
> out of it and we can say, 98% (or maybe 100%) sold
> out is a great success.
>
> As I said earlier, Keith accident (if ever) is
> very welcomed to melt the amount of shows to the
> half because of bad ticket sales!

Mmm...well there about half a million people who have bought tickets to 10-11 shows (some of which DID sell out, and in some cases with audiences of over 60,000 people) which are now cancelled who might disagree with you

Take Germany and Holland out of the equation and the rest of the tour has sold quite healthily, and in some markets such as Spain and Scandinavia, the demand has outstripped the supply

New trick: enlarge the FOS aera so that more people will buy a ticket because its a FOS ticket. BTW the are more expensive. A classic win-win situation, for the stones that is.

I don't know if its a "win-win situation" to sell so few tix especially in Germany, what always used to be the 2nd (or 3rd) biggest "Stones country" in the world.

Leipzig was of course not cancelled because of health or locistical problems. They had sold probably only 20.000 or 25.000 tix (out of 45.000).

To compare: Robbie Williams is right now on stage in Dresden (100 km from Leipzig); 2nd night - 160.000 tix. His prices are okay, not that perverted; that makes the difference. So he sold multiple as much tix in Germany this year as the Stones.

Although he may sing for a bigger audience, I must admit something went wrong with our boys within the last years.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2006-07-11 22:45 by beast of burgk.

He did 5 shows on a row in Amsterdam Arema

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beast of burgk Wrote:
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>> To compare: Robbie Williams is right now on stage
> in Dresden (100 km from Leipzig); 2nd night -
> 160.000 tix. His prices are okay, not that
> perverted; that makes the difference. So he sold
> multiple as much tix in Germany this year as the
> Stones.


thats a significant difference. If the Stones had kept their prices on the same level as other popular artists they would sell out every stadium on the planet several times over

The difference is that a significantly high proportion of the general public, when faced between going to see a popular act who is charging £100 or £150 a ticket and another act who they may also like but who is charging £50 or £60 is going to vote with their wallet.

I wonder if San Siro was really sold out? where there empty spots in the crowd and/or on the stands?

From the pics I saw looked like 4 small centeral Blocks of seats in the upper tier empty.
I cannot imagine people from other blocks not moving in to them to get a better vantage point.

So confusing.

On this moment you can still buy Kat. 1 tickets (tier) for Wien.

[www.oeticket.com]

Wavebreaker (FOS) ticket are finally sold out!

madmaxx Wrote:
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> From the pics I saw looked like 4 small centeral
> Blocks of seats in the upper tier empty.
> I cannot imagine people from other blocks not
> moving in to them to get a better vantage point.
>
> So confusing.


The FOS was very large, spacy. And surprisingly the General Admission appeared smaller. San Siro was not sold out. My estimate is 55,000 - 50,000. But I maybe wrong. The third level on sides were empty.

madmaxx Wrote:
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> From the pics I saw looked like 4 small centeral Blocks of seats in the upper tier empty. I cannot imagine people from other blocks not moving in to them to get a better vantage point.

Wasn't that the press boxes?

bartfrombrussels Wrote:
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> New trick: enlarge the FOS aera so that more
> people will buy a ticket because its a FOS ticket.
> BTW the are more expensive. A classic win-win
> situation, for the stones that is.



What a scam. If you don't like it on the pitch, can you move to open seats in the tiered sections or is the pitch blocked from the tiers?

erikjjf Wrote:
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> madmaxx Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > From the pics I saw looked like 4 small centeral
> Blocks of seats in the upper tier empty. I cannot
> imagine people from other blocks not moving in to
> them to get a better vantage point.
>
> Wasn't that the press boxes?

I read a review where it said it was 70,000 people in San Siro. But I dont believe that.

San Siro takes 85,000 people.
[www.acmilan-online.com]
But any city in the world have rules and regulations.
For crowd control and sound limits.
For San Siro I believe the limit is 65,000.

May be there was around 25,000 unused seats.
Not unsold but unused. They were nhot allowed to sell them all.
Then there was may be 10,000 people on the floor.
Lots of space actually, not like in 2003 when it was over-packed.

This is nothing new.
Old Wembley stadium could take 100,000 people.
But the license for shows was 72,000.
So it was sold out with 72,000.

All the cancelled shows were put in a hat.
Then they picked up two shows they wanted to do.
Horsens and Bergen.
Simple as that. No room for more.
If they were in for it for the money they would have
played Frankfurt or Gothenburg not Bergen.

Like the quite offended journalist from Barcelona Spain asked
at the press conference:
Why don't you play the two biggest cities in Spain,
Barcelona and Madrid, while you play in those province
places where nobody lives?
Mick had the perfect reply of course:
Because they are people too.
They are still 100,000 people.
Which is summing it all up.
They want to get to new people, more people.
They have been in Frankfurt before.
Gothenburg have seen the Stones many many times.
Bergen never. Horsens never.
Clever choice. And all sold out of course.

Bjornulf

I don't believe it either. 55,000 would be a maximum.

The stadium in San Siro was full. The press area was of course not packed with fans, and the upper sides were not in use, but it was 65,000 for sure.

Bjornulf

Yeah. They WANNA do Horsens. That's so cool.

BV wrote:
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Like the quite offended journalist from Barcelona Spain asked
at the press conference:
Why don't you play the two biggest cities in Spain,
Barcelona and Madrid, while you play in those province
places where nobody lives?
Mick had the perfect reply of course:
Because they are people too.
They are still 100,000 people.
Which is summing it all up.
They want to get to new people, more people.
They have been in Frankfurt before.
Gothenburg have seen the Stones many many times.
Bergen never. Horsens never.
Clever choice. And all sold out of course.
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I agree 100%. And who sold out the fastest? Barca and Madrid couldn't match the ticket sale speed of Horsens or Bergen.

JumpingKentFlash

bv Wrote:
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> The stadium in San Siro was full. The press area
> was of course not packed with fans, and the upper
> sides were not in use, but it was 65,000 for sure.


OK, then.

bv Wrote:
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>> This is nothing new.
> Old Wembley stadium could take 100,000 people.
> But the license for shows was 72,000.
> So it was sold out with 72,000.


100,000 was the capacity for football until the stadium became all-seated - then it was reduced to 82,000

Your figure of a 72,000 limit for concerts is correct however

I'm not wanting to offend Spanish fans in any way...but it has to be said that Spanish audiences always include a good proportion of tourists in the holiday season.
Makes it a bigger shame for those shows to be cancelled... because of the number of travelling fans. If a concert in your home town is cancelled or postponed...no big impact. But if your expensive annual holiday was planned around a show in another country it's a much bigger disappointment. It was this issue and these feelings which largely fuelled some of the more extreme criticism in the wake of the initial postponments and cancellations.

Clever choice, Bv.
Yet a far larger share of the 60,000 imagined (and lucky ticket-buyers)
people attending Göteborg may never have
seen the Stones than the share among the 20,000 Bergen-visitors,
right?

I am rejoicing with you Norweigans but please dont pour no more
salt in my Stones virgin wounds!

selling out shows is no effort for the stones anymore
with voodoo lounge they broke the selling record for maybe 50 years
so why is that such a huge topic if they sell 60.000 or 61.000 tix for a show

BV wrote : "The stadium in San Siro was full. The press area was of course not packed with fans, and the upper sides were not in use, but it was 65,000 for sure."

Correct. I was in "Meazza". BTW, what a marvellous concert!...

Gazza wrote : "well there about half a million people who have bought tickets to 10-11 shows (some of which DID sell out, and in some cases with audiences of over 60,000 people) which are now cancelled who might disagree with you.Take Germany and Holland out of the equation and the rest of the tour has sold quite healthily, and in some markets such as Spain and Scandinavia, the demand has outstripped the supply"

Correct. Just an example from my country: In Athens had been sold 50,000 tickets. This number, one month before gig's date, is exremely good when we are speaking about Greece, where people traditionaly buy tickets in the few last days. For every event, Olympic Games included. In 1998 this number of tickets (50,000) had been sold 1,5 week before "the big day". Not a month before it.

Some thoughts:

(?) Actualy, they had selling problems in two countries only. Germany and Holland. Even the Stones, the most ambitious live act in the world, always has problems in the counrty in which World Cup takes place. Remember the cancellations of 1990 (Turin) and of 1998 (Stade De France). So, nothing new.

( Talking about a band that did, not one, not two, but three world tours in the years 1994- 2003 (less than a decate!), considering the ticket prices and the incredibly huge number of gigs in the "Stoneslands" like Germany and Holland in the last years, counting the fact that many "wise" fans are playing their games with the time and the "scalpers", the main question about sales is not "how fast". It is "how many". Remember the same discussion before they hit Norh America, on this tour. "Slow sales", "poor ticket sales", blah, blah, blah. And what happened after this talk? The Stones played, as usual, in packet venues...

(C) Considering all these factors and, first of all, the highest frequency of tours, i think it's a miracle their popularity as live act. In seventies, when the Stones did tours after breaks of three years (USA 1969, 1972, 1975 / Europe 1973, 1976) they were attracting 300,000 or 600,000 million of people. On every round. Now, despite these @#$%& ticket prices, even the "broken", "shattered" european tour will attract one million. In USA, 1,5 million for the time being and they will add up.

(D) After having played to 22 million of people since 1989 (what an unbelieveble record!), now they' re able to attract millions, once again. IMHO, attracting 3.5 million and over worldwide (or 4.7 and over, including Rio's gig) in 2005/06 it's something greatest, more remarkable than playing to 6 million of people in 1989/90. Why? Because then everyone wanted to see the "rare" act, the legends who had been "lost" for 7 years. Even i have to be critical for (some of) the ticket prices and for their managment's "mysticism" about the cancellations, i feel exremely proud and happy seeing that my legends are still legends. And so great on stage, as i saw them in Milan!

A friend of mine was offered 500 E (4000 NOK) for a Bergen-ticket. Not a golden-circle one!

I was looking at the pics arizojp put up here:
[www.iorr.org]

3rd last pic shows clearly 4 empty blocks
Is that the press section ??.