Just to change topic for a while....I hear Bill Wynman lashing out again last few days....well i gotta to say the band is far better without him. Forget any issue except the music and listen. They are a different band for sure and a better one IMHO. Listen to Tokyo 90 JJF version. Then 4 years later in Tokyo again. Chalk and cheese. While the steel wheels version repeats the same refrain bar after bar, you could almost loop it and the last 2 minutes would sound the same! The VL version has creativity and no two bars are the same. Mr Jones is a funky player and has really added to the band.

My points being

1) Steel Wheels = Solid RNR without creativity

2) VL onwards = neverending funk and imagination on songs they have played bazillions of times



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2006-05-10 14:29 by uz2bstoned.

More rock but less roll.

Exactly Koen !!

That has nothing to do with the bass.

Keith played the riff different back then.

Now go listen to Brown Sugar from that era and Brown Sugar now and be quiet!

Koen Wrote:
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> More rock but less roll.

No swinging without Bill´s bass.

Who the hell is 'WYNMAN' ? There never was a 'Wynman' in the stones.

Bill Whineman.

Whatever. You think it has nothing to do with bass? Every band member feeds off others ideas.

There is more funk and originality to the music now. Wyman's playing didn't swing. It was static like he was on stage

uz2bstoned Wrote:
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> Wyman's playing didn't swing. It was static
> like he was on stage

That is the most redicoulus thing I've ever heard.

Reptile said : "That is the most redicoulus thing I've ever heard"

I like Darryl, but Reptile's comment need to be repeated. It's an intelligent comment. And it's true

Is that all you can say? I mean I'm trying to provoke a disscussion. The most redicoulus thing you've ever heard? Com'on. Goodnight

It's redicoulus because Wyman swinged as hell.
We can't start a discussion over for instance "omelett is best without eggs" either. It's wrong to begin with.



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i think that both wyman and darryl have different styles, and i think that darryls pretty low in the bass anyways, so i dont see why anybody cares. but to be honest, wyman supposedly left due to old age, and thats fine, but he shouldnt keep slagging his old friends in the nesw now and then.

Stop saying such things.

The media manipulates what he says.

He's not a buisnessman like Mick.

He is thankful for his years with the Stones and they are still very close friends.

Bill Wyman is worthless - utterly replaceable. That he is not a businessman like Mick is apparent. Maybe that's why he's so bitter.

Raoul Duke Wrote:
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> Bill Wyman is worthless - utterly replaceable.
> That he is not a businessman like Mick is
> apparent. Maybe that's why he's so bitter.

He's not bitter. You obviously haven't read all the flattering things he said about the boys. Those parts of the interviews obviously are worthless to the Sun. He still does blues jams with them regularly.

yeah man, those first 33 years of the Stone were pretty wimped out...

so glad Darryl saved the day... nice to see someone who really gets what the stones are about...

Beelyboy Wrote:
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> yeah man, those first 33 years of the Stone were
> pretty wimped out...
>
> so glad Darryl saved the day... nice to see
> someone who really gets what the stones are
> about...


haha, right Beelyboy, I like that cynical touch on comments

That's a bitter pill (bitter Bill) to swallow.

Raoul Duke Wrote:
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> Bill Wyman is worthless - utterly replaceable.
> That he is not a businessman like Mick is
> apparent. Maybe that's why he's so bitter.


Whoa, Hunter, you're joking, right? ...please say you're joking.


worthless?

bitter?


I disagree.

Beelyboy Wrote:
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> yeah man, those first 33 years of the Stone were
> pretty wimped out...
>
> so glad Darryl saved the day... nice to see
> someone who really gets what the stones are
> about...


Oh I agree - that Wynman, he was terrible, in fact everything the Stones ever did, albums, singles live performances were ruined because that Wynman couldn't 'rock'.
It's amazing the band never noticed this......

What the Stones are about: Mick, Keith, and Charlie. I get it. Do you?

Bill Wyman is a swinging rock 'n roll player... With him the groove was fantastic... Technically it's because he plays a note a fraction before the actually note should be played,before a drumkick from Charlie. A note can be played very precisely which would sound static, but if you play it a fraction earlier.. well, the results we can hear!
That's where the swing or roll comes from.. and that's unique... Not many bassplayers have that kind of style/technique whatever.

Darryl is technically a great bass player. Too bad he is low in the mix. And yes, the sound is different with him. I think The Stones should use his skills more, like they do live during some songs where he get's a little solo.

With Wyman you could concentrate easily on his parts, it's almost heaven to hear him playing with The Stones. With him it was like every Stone had a part in a song, every instrument was important. Nowadays they sound more like Mick, Ron, Keith and Charlie together in one take, and the bass parts are only functional, not creative or an important part of the songs.

Yes, I miss Bill a lot, the swing, the fantastic bass lines.

Reptile Wrote:
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He still does blues jams with them regularly.

According to who?



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Yes - don't underestimate the value of what Bill brought to the Stones during
his stay... I for one would like to see him return for a 70's night at the
Royal Albert Hall, doing music from Sticky Fingers, Exile on Main Street,
Goats Head Soup & IORR....

And there is another Ex - member who should get an invite to that night.....


MLC

Before you start low-rating Bitter Bill, listen to the bass in "Miss You", "Start Me Up", or "Honky Tonk Women". Maybe "Just My Imagination" live. Just right, groovin' bass.

I forgot about the bass on Miss You...thanks Elmo, it really is out front.

I always loved the bass on "2000 Light Years From Home," but I'm guessing, since I am not a musician, that it's not a real complicated bass line running throughout the song....complicated or not, I love it.

pure insanity

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> Bill Whineman.


That's a good one. I'll use that from now on.

JumpingKentFlash

Yeah, the Stones rhythm section weas sure weak that first 25 years! The recent stuff is far superior for sure.