Good points atip but if the oil sh*t hits the fan Europe is gonna be able to handle it much better than the USA....America needs to start thinkin' differently....

Something's burning baby,
it's both ends burning,
and I've been putting out fire..... with gasoline.

Well we came here ta have a good time...dunno how much ya had to pay for the @#$%&' petrol but I didn't have to pay much ......... ah ya know what



ROCKMAN

New Jersey '78, good one ROCKMAN !!

First, it's called the free market. Nothing wrong with making a profit. Can't really fault the oil companies. If people are willing to pay, they will charge more for it. Supply and demand.

Second, Europe has high gas due to taxes AND the fact that many things over there are socialized such as medicine.

Third, yes, we do need to get off the oil thing however it will be DECADES before 1. it becomes reasonable and 2. it is affordable. Right now, auto makers cannot just roll out all these hybrids because of supply and demand. They cost too much to build and not enough people want them...yet.

Fourth, Enron donated more to the DNC then the GOP or Bush.

Fiver, without "big business" we would not be communicating like this.

I love your dimes.... I love your dimes but you don't have to throw 'em at my face.
(you know that one, MicksBrain?)

Yes you're right. I shouldn't be complaining.
But the gasoline cost too much here anyway, though we're driving small japaneese cars such as Toyota.

"We're gonna do a sad song about a girl who got into a difficult position.....Position number 32, coming through, ah thank you very much"
(How about that one? I'd say, we could make a quiz out of these comment, but I suspect Rockman to win all the time)

sladog Wrote:
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> First, it's called the free market. Nothing wrong
> with making a profit. Can't really fault the oil
> companies. If people are willing to pay, they
> will charge more for it. Supply and demand.
>
> Second, Europe has high gas due to taxes AND the
> fact that many things over there are socialized
> such as medicine.
>
> Third, yes, we do need to get off the oil thing
> however it will be DECADES before 1. it becomes
> reasonable and 2. it is affordable. Right now,
> auto makers cannot just roll out all these hybrids
> because of supply and demand. They cost too much
> to build and not enough people want them...yet.
>
> Fourth, Enron donated more to the DNC then the GOP
> or Bush.
>
> Fiver, without "big business" we would not be
> communicating like this.
>
>

lapdog:
it's not 'free market' they regulate and call it deregulation...
it's an inside blowjob for the corporate elite...
lay and bush were the closest of conspirators...
check out the docus at thesmokinggun and see how cozy...
that 'if people are willing to pay...' argument is bullshit...
big oil comes in; destroys the railroads, kills alternate fuel technology, which had been around for DECADES....
people HAVE to pay...or they can't shop, take their kids to the dox...
go to work, pay their bills, shop for food, etc...

usa imports 80% of it's oil from mexico and canada...
it's a shell game, (no pun intended, or yes pun intented)
there was no shortage of electricity when enron pulled the scam...
but they shut people off with great glee and pocketed the rest...

america is socialist.... IF you are born mega-rich like the unelected murderer...and can steal and kill with impunity...

corporate welfare and tax breaks, hidden and in open view, are immense...
welfare giveaways are fine if it's for a private refinery...
...killing the environment for more and more murderous greedmeisters...
venezulan chavez is bailing out people freezing to death in the NE...

nationalize or build new refineries for oil, cause alaskan and other oil (sold overseas by the way, some shortage!!) americans have already paid for all that oil...
but the refineries control the show and shit on the middle and poor...
that's why unelected oil murderers have totally destabilized the iraq...
saddam and osama were u.s. created and funded...

www.bartcop.com is an eye opener... so is consortiumnews
this for others; i suspect u r already convinced my friend...

and the rest of the world should know that in america here, they still haven't bothered to find all the bodies from katrina...we have the highest per capita adolescent suicide rate in the world...something very very sick going on here since the 2000 coup... the world knows... the whole world knows.
ruthless, blood curdling thieves and murderers...
taking money from the poor and giving to the rich...
the opposite of the Robin Hood thing the Stones' donated to...


a zillion hidden taxes the rich never have to worry about...
u continue the disinformation...
but as you can see... people know they are being had.


read the palast article, give it a break... i think yer post
is pretty much transparent slop...

We're missing the point in the UK........................................

Petrol prices may be slightly higher than the rest of Europe,but they are a bargain compared to the price difference in STONES TICKETS !!!!

Robbed again.....if I can afford to drive to the gig that is !

sladog Wrote:
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> First, it's called the free market. Nothing wrong
> with making a profit. Can't really fault the oil
> companies. If people are willing to pay, they
> will charge more for it. Supply and demand.



This could be the dumbest post ever on IORR...but not surprised since it comes from a Republican. Most U.S. drivers pay whatever it costs b/c they have to, not b/c they choose to. If gas went up to $10/gallon I would still have to get to work. Since I live in a Republican town, there has been VERY little investment in public transportation (you know, republicans hate this sort of thing...one reason they hate FDR). In time, I could maybe find a job closer to where I live, maybe not. I could possibly move (expensive) and find comparable rent (maybe not). B/C the US has crap public transportation in most cities, and b/c we have a society where MANY people commute, you can not just say "supply & demand". Well, I guess you could say something so simplisitic and absurd...but you'd have to be dumb enough to have voted for someone like George Bush.

Oh, and don't wait for the republican to tell you that the oil companies in the U.S. get billions of dollars in subsidies by not paying royalty fees (they have been waved for the oil companies)...

Oh, the cost of oil in the US isn't just felt at the pump...but in taxes as well. The US military is expecting oil costs to reach $10B (http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/03/20/pentagon.efficiency.reut/index.html).

Erik, man, I don't have all the boots I wish I had.... The "@#$%&" one is from the Forum '75 right ? How's the quality on that one ? I went to the show and taped it myself (but the quality is so so) Have no clue about the dimes BUT I bet it was a '78 show...right or wrong?

MicksBrain Wrote:
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> Sicilian, the gang over in Europe doesn't drive
> GIANT F*CKING SUV's AND "YANK TANKS" !!! They
> drive 4 cyl economical cars in general - it's
> called foresight and conservation, maybe America
> will discover those someday. Also, alot of the
> extra cost in those prices are Government taxes.

Thats cool too, but the winters around here can be pretty rough on occasion for driving. 4 wheel drives help a lot. Plus the way some of the @#$%& drive around here I feel a little safer and so do my 3 kids in a bigger vehicle. Plus I tow a camper in the summer. Piece of mind is worth more than the price of gas sometimes. But it does drain the funds for a family on a budget.

I hear you Sicilian...but I think MicksBrain does make a good point. People are out driving SUVs which just puts more money in our enemies pockets. IF these people actually care about US security, maybe they could help it out a bit by not driving these tanks. Regarding the safety issue, SUVs not only cause a massive amount of damage to other cars on the road when in an accident, the death rate is MUCH higher. So while YOU may be safer, the stats suggest you are lowering the overall safety on the road. The reality is that when an SUV hits a car & kills those in the car, the SUV driver CHOSE this liklihood when purchasing the car. If you want safety...go buy a Volvo...safest there is...but we all know that it isn't safety that you want...it's our American idea of everything being bigger (maybe we all have small peckers, I don't know...I drive a small VW though).

Bottom line...SUVs give money to our enemies (who use that money to kill our soldiers), they increase the price of oil for all (more demand), cause lots of damage when in accidents to OTHER people's cars & to the public property and tend to kill/injure A LOT more people than a car would. SUVs are simply modern minivans that also do a lot of harm.

$2.46 a gallon yesterday in the Houston area

sdstonesguy, any ENEMY of Bush is a bud of mine. Did you catch his Press conference today. Argueing with Helen Thomas from the Washington Post.She's ONLY about 85 years old and Frat boy has to mix it up with her...WHAT A DICK !!! You gotta see it...Macho man is so scared of her he hasn't called on her for 4 years....

He just misses that homosexual male hooker that they had ask him strawman questions...only someone like Bush would actually do that...and he actually did.

Don't doubt it, Frat boy will do ANYTHING... Mr. "Control - the - Room" chickensh*t

MicksBrain, yes, last LA show 1975, a terrific bootleg, best of that year, no doubt.
The dimes were from Philadelphia Special 1972, which means Philadelphia or Fort Worth. Anyway, I guess it's a silly thing to ask about, from me.

sdstonesguy Wrote:
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> sladog Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > First, it's called the free market. Nothing
> wrong
> > with making a profit. Can't really fault the
> oil
> > companies. If people are willing to pay,
> they
> > will charge more for it. Supply and demand.
>
>
>
> This could be the dumbest post ever on IORR...but
> not surprised since it comes from a Republican.
> Most U.S. drivers pay whatever it costs b/c they
> have to, not b/c they choose to. If gas went up
> to $10/gallon I would still have to get to work.
> Since I live in a Republican town, there has been
> VERY little investment in public transportation
> (you know, republicans hate this sort of
> thing...one reason they hate FDR). In time, I
> could maybe find a job closer to where I live,
> maybe not. I could possibly move (expensive) and
> find comparable rent (maybe not). B/C the US has
> crap public transportation in most cities, and b/c
> we have a society where MANY people commute, you
> can not just say "supply & demand". Well, I
> guess you could say something so simplisitic and
> absurd...but you'd have to be dumb enough to have
> voted for someone like George Bush.
>
> Oh, and don't wait for the republican to tell you
> that the oil companies in the U.S. get billions of
> dollars in subsidies by not paying royalty fees
> (they have been waved for the oil companies)...
>
> Oh, the cost of oil in the US isn't just felt at
> the pump...but in taxes as well. The US military
> is expecting oil costs to reach $10B
> (http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/03/20/pentagon.efficie
> ncy.reut/index.html).
>


Come on now... Republicans hate public transport or are the reason some cities have poor systems? I think this is a stretch. I live in Houston and Houston is a big city - spread out. It takes about an hour and a half to even drive thru the metro area. It is not so much that public transport can not get support in some areas its that people do not want to spend 6 hours out of their day commuting to and from work. Also, as you stated, you can not always live near where you work depending on the industry you work in so commutes are needed. I would love to have good public transport but in Houston that is just not possible without tearing the whole city up. I hope we figure out an alternative fuel source soon, a way to sell it to the masses because hurricane season is just 2 months away... YEEHAW!!!
One more thing... many US cities had population explosions. In 1969, the year I was born, Houston had a metro population of about 1.2 million. Today Houston has a metro population of 4 million - that's 80,000 new residents a year. Hard to keep up when that kind of growth is going on.

All valid points...but you can't tell me Republicans have a history of wanting to invest in infrustructure or public transportation...I mean they fight ANYTHING that assists the public good (unless you count military spending). They want to abolish Social Security, Medicare, the Dept. of Education, any laws to give us clean air/water, any assistance to the poor (usually the first thing they cut)...and many bitch about FDR & his New Deal/Public Works. I have a big time republican co-worker who summed it up for me..."F uck America...just leave me alone" (he meant this in terms of taxation and his lack of interest in any of it helping his fellow Americans).

Pay for gas....you have be kidding!!...........

This country's DOOMED, that's all there is to it, F*ckin' party's OVER.....

sdstonesguy,

The real enemy on the roads around here are the Canadian Truck Drivers. First understand that Buffalo and Canada are only separated by the Niagara River so it is a major truck crossing.

These inconsiderate, rude, Canadian f*ckin truck drivin cowboys have no regard for any rules or courtesies to passenger car drivers. They speed, weave in and out of lanes at will, and cut people off constantly. But the most damage they commit is accidents in which they kill innocent drivers and passengers with their recklessness. They think the road is theirs. American drivers can be bad too, but these guys are a*sholes. Every time I see a rollover or accident the first thing I look for is the Ontario plates. 90% of the time its them.

TOO MUCH even though my Saab gets pretty good mileage:
Here are the latest gas prices in the U.S.
GAS
UNLEADED $LOL 9/10
PLUS $OMG 9/10
PREMIUM $WTF 9/10

Bitch and moan all you want but the fact remains if we consume less, the price will go down. There are many ways to do that. Go and get an education on basic economics then come back and talk some sense.

1,6 $ per litre (Norway)

Thats weird, isnt it, Bård? Ya own like world year consumage of oil, and...
In my town we pay 9,96 SKR (1,29 $), since they started a price fight.
People travel 100 kms to fill up here...
Well, that's 1 SKR cheaper (13c) than most of Sweden and a helluva
lower than Bård pays. But on the other hand the Norweigans earn about
a phantasyllion more a year than we do per capita.

Well, my estimate isn't exactly accurate. But, I pay 11,50 norwegian kroner per litre...

We pay now,here in Finland 1.25 euros/liter,Diesel is now around a 1euro or so.
Our Mercedes eats 60euros a week,at least.